Crop circles

[dreamscape]

Crop Circles: crop circles started being noticed by the world at large in 1980, and their numbers began to accelerate in 1985. They would seem to be Jon King's "energy codings", since they definitely clustered in his "Aquarian Triangle" - an area full of sacred sites. In July 1991, Barbury Castle had a stunning triangular formation which looked like the Aquarian Triangle, and was described by Brian Grist as "an alchemical Mandelbrot set". Then, within a month, we had the Mandelbrot set itself, which arrived at Ickleton, in Cambridgeshire. The original fractal, this is a pictorial representation of a complex equation to describe systems with a hierarchy of repeating patterns. The Mandelbrot-fractal formations indicate the significance of 2012, as it has been identified as the terminal point in a Mandelbrot-fractal* timewave system; see next item. Robert Anton Wilson's Trajectories Newsletter .

[TheUnknown]

Stop smoking whatever you do.. crop circles have been proven to be fake, and if one knows a little geometry and has a board and some rope layin around.. its very easy to do... SO THERE!!

[Gothlark]

Originally posted by TheUnknown Stop smoking whatever you do.. crop circles have been proven to be fake, and if one knows a little geometry and has a board and some rope layin around.. its very easy to do... SO THERE!! Excuse me. That would be partially correct. They have proven that crop circles CAN be faken not that they are. There are cases that scientists investigated where it couldn't have easily been faken. A couple of these are like the one where they found 99.8% pure silicon on the crop. In many cases where the plants are changed on a molecular bases. They cannot grow any longer but there seeds produce faster growing and larger plants. Also there are 1000 ft long patterns that are dug out of the ground in some place in Asia (I think it was Asia.) These were dated as around 2000 years old. Oh, and did I mention the tape that caught a British military helicopter hovering near a crop circle? Also the animal mutilations connected to them where it couldn't be predators because there wasn't fractal damage and there seemed to be a heat applied. Sure it could be fake, most of them probably are. But saying that they're all fake without knowing all the facts just because they COULD be faked doesn't seem right. I myself don't really know what they are beyond the fact that they all couldn't be hoaxes.

[Gothlark]

Oh, and as far as crop circles being linked to 2012 or even this whole 2012 thing alone, I doubt it.

[Kaniaz]

Crop Circles are the byproducts of a giant sitting down in a giant field of corn or something, then when they stand up it leaves an nice round circle (ie: their butt groove). The mutilations of cattle are where the giant got hungry, and the silicon is stuff that has fell out the giant's pocket (because it was a giant silicon marketer). The helicopter was because the pilot of it got lost so had to stop for directions. See, it's all very simple. *nods knowledgably*

[rozee]

I've been closely following the crop circle phenomena for many years, and am very interested in the orbs that have been seen and photographed over and around formations. I have no doubt that some are fakes. It's the kind of thing that always follows the unexplained, but I follow my intuition which tells me that the most impressive formations are genuinely unexplained, deeply symbolic and relevant to the collective unconscious mind. I am particularly interested in the orbs that have been seen and photographed over and around the formations. I have personally encountered these orbs and continue to experience them. I am certain they are a high frequency form of intelligence, just by their 'behaviour' as they do exhibit personality. If you take a look at the milk hill formation of 2001, the one with 72 circles in a spiral design, it's massive and If people did this with a stick and markers and measure tape, I'll eat my left foot.....x

[DaRkLoRd]

Originally posted by rozee I've been closely following the crop circle phenomena for many years, and am very interested in the orbs that have been seen and photographed over and around formations. I have no doubt that some are fakes. It's the kind of thing that always follows the unexplained, but I follow my intuition which tells me that the most impressive formations are genuinely unexplained, deeply symbolic and relevant to the collective unconscious mind. I am particularly interested in the orbs that have been seen and photographed over and around the formations. I have personally encountered these orbs and continue to experience them. I am certain they are a high frequency form of intelligence, just by their 'behaviour' as they do exhibit personality. If you take a look at the milk hill formation of 2001, the one with 72 circles in a spiral design, it's massive and If people did this with a stick and markers and measure tape, I'll eat my left foot.....x Welcome to the boards Rozee, i believe rozee has a damn good point shes got my vote

[Invader]

Many of the real cropcircles lie along Lay lines that circle the globe. The fact that they are linked with cow mutilations really freaks me out, and for a good reason: There are medical documents that state that the mutilations are of removed eyes, tongue, colon, and many times the blood was removed withought any kind of vascular colapse. The surgical removing was SO precise that the cuts were BETWEEN the cells (a surgical technology we are not yet capable of). So how could the mutilations be faked if the human race doesnt have that sort of technology? These mutilations have also occured to people as stated in government reports. Cows and humans are linked because we share similar blood, and we can use eachothers' blood in specific types of vital trunsfusions. So the abductions of humans, and mutilations of cows are Definitely linked in a huge way. But what still of the cropcircles? This falls into partial theory of my own. If the circles ARE done by beings of energy or Aliens using these saucer craft, there has to be a reason. Now, there are different dimensions that exist, and many of the matter that exists in our world can exist in other realms at the same time, but in a different place (quantum physics). So what if these beings come from these other dimensions that can be oddly similar to ours? They have to have a way to get back and forth right? There are certain specifications that true cropcircles all have: 1- they lie among major energy lines across the earth; 2- They each have a special geometry about them that can be converted into music (melodic music, but not very joyful) 3- They occur in wheat! wheat is a living thing, and that can be a major key factor. Cropcircles can possibly be pan-demensional portals that can link our realm with theirs. The fact that they are of different shapes and sizes can mean that they are like keys and keyholes in the fact that: For every cropcircle there is, there may be a different starting and ending point across two planes of existence. As strong as i believe in the link between the abductions and mutilations, my cropcircle theory is just an educated guess. Im open to any questions and comments

[Arcadia]

lol @ theunknown kaniaz i you should kick ignorant people out of this site there seems to be quite a few. given that this is your website

[spudamore]

anybody see the doco about the MIT students trying to recreate cropcircles?? if so who would think that the fakers could create instruments or similar for the purpose that they used them?? they couldn't even create an exact one that hasn't been faked but were close and only just under a mere 6 hours.

[dreamscape]

Wow I thought this topic was dead but it seems that it made a comeback like me. Anyways I have proof that crop cirlce's aren't faked. If a single person were making crop circles I think it would take them some kind of super human ability to make a crop circle simontaneously (spelling?) across the world. Can you explain that?

[Kaniaz]

Originally posted by Arcadia lol @ theunknown kaniaz i you should kick ignorant people out of this site there seems to be quite a few. given that this is your website Heh, I wish it was. I'm just a DG, which is, if you were to make the rankings into a ladder, the second lowest ranking there is (just above normal user, i guess). The owner of the website is icedawg, but the bloke who tends to do all the main decisions is Seeker now (icedawg does the website prettifying and stuff). I think.

[Demerzel]

Originally posted by Kaniaz+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kaniaz)</div> <!--QuoteBegin-Arcadia lol @ theunknown kaniaz i you should kick ignorant people out of this site there seems to be quite a few. given that this is your website Heh, I wish it was. I'm just a DG, which is, if you were to make the rankings into a ladder, the second lowest ranking there is (just above normal user, i guess). The owner of the website is icedawg, but the bloke who tends to do all the main decisions is Seeker now (icedawg does the website prettifying and stuff). I think.[/b] ha.

[Kaniaz]

Originally posted by invader_tech Many of the real cropcircles lie along Lay lines that circle the globe. The fact that they are linked with cow mutilations really freaks me out, and for a good reason: There are medical documents that state that the mutilations are of removed eyes, tongue, colon, and many times the blood was removed withought any kind of vascular colapse. The surgical removing was SO precise that the cuts were BETWEEN the cells (a surgical technology we are not yet capable of). So how could the mutilations be faked if the human race doesnt have that sort of technology? These mutilations have also occured to people as stated in government reports. Cows and humans are linked because we share similar blood, and we can use eachothers' blood in specific types of vital trunsfusions. So the abductions of humans, and mutilations of cows are Definitely linked in a huge way. But what still of the cropcircles? This falls into partial theory of my own. If the circles ARE done by beings of energy or Aliens using these saucer craft, there has to be a reason. Now, there are different dimensions that exist, and many of the matter that exists in our world can exist in other realms at the same time, but in a different place (quantum physics). So what if these beings come from these other dimensions that can be oddly similar to ours? They have to have a way to get back and forth right? There are certain specifications that true cropcircles all have: 1- they lie among major energy lines across the earth; 2- They each have a special geometry about them that can be converted into music (melodic music, but not very joyful) 3- They occur in wheat! wheat is a living thing, and that can be a major key factor. Cropcircles can possibly be pan-demensional portals that can link our realm with theirs. The fact that they are of different shapes and sizes can mean that they are like keys and keyholes in the fact that: For every cropcircle there is, there may be a different starting and ending point across two planes of existence. As strong as i believe in the link between the abductions and mutilations, my cropcircle theory is just an educated guess. Im open to any questions and comments No, they're just circles in crops.

[bradybaker]

Originally posted by invader_tech there are different dimensions that exist, and many of the matter that exists in our world can exist in other realms at the same time, but in a different place (quantum physics). I actually know quite a bit about quantum physics, I would love for you to explain in more detail how \"the matter that exists in our world can exist in other realms at the same time, but in a different place\". I suspect that you are misunderstanding some aspects of string theory. Originally posted by invader_tech+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(invader_tech)</div> they lie among major energy lines across the earth[/b] Major energy line? What the hell is a major energy line and why have I never heard of them in geography or earth science class? Originally posted by invader_tech+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(invader_tech)</div> They each have a special geometry about them that can be converted into music (melodic music, but not very joyful)[/b] That's not surprising since all music is fundamentally mathematical and circles follow very interesting and unique mathematical concepts. Originally posted by invader_tech They occur in wheat! wheat is a living thing, and that can be a major key factor. Right.... <!--QuoteBegin-invader_tech@ There are medical documents that state that the mutilations are of removed eyes, tongue, colon, and many times the blood was removed withought any kind of vascular colapse. The surgical removing was SO precise that the cuts were BETWEEN the cells (a surgical technology we are not yet capable of). Can I see some of these medical documents? <!--QuoteBegin-dreamscape If a single person were making crop circles I think it would take them some kind of super human ability to make a crop circle simontaneously (spelling?) across the world. Can you explain that? Yes. It wasn't just a "single person". Isn't that fairly obvious?

[spudamore]

yup and they all have knowledge of sacred geometry and can bend the plant at a 90 degree angle without breaking it also create 10-50 micron diameter magnetized iron spheres in the soil. i doubt it very much that all these people would have the knowledge or know how to do these things. http://home.clara.net/lovely/education.html

[bradybaker]

Yeah that website looks very credible. If this evidence is so clear and undeniable then why haven't prominent scientists and news agencies reported these findings in mainstream media coverage? Why is it only a few nuts who publish these things on obscure websites and claim that NBC and the Discovery Channel are try to decieve everyone? Wait...I know. Government conspiracy!! It's Bush's fault!! Down with capitalism!! Save the whales!!! That seems about right.

[spudamore]

ok how come people cannot even get close to recreating real crop circles?? i am not just talking about the one on the discovery channel there have been numerous attempts. please show me evidence that scienctist have recreated crop circles and have concrete evidence that everyone is a hoax... if you knew anything about biology of plants you would know that nodes are the strongest part on plants and if you bend it at an 90 degree angle it will always break upbove or below the node, never through it. no matter how cynical you or your statements become it still won't do any good coming to a conclusion, only in your perception.

[bradybaker]

You didn't answer my question spuddy. Oh, and if you didn't already know, a picture of ONE node bent at 90 degrees doesn't prove that the entire field was like that. Also, iron is an extremely common material in soil, you'd know that if "you knew anything about geology or plant biology".

[spudamore]

i can't answer till you show me that there have been studies done by prominent scientists. i never said it was so clear an undeniable, because i don't know. nobody does. until scientist study it more. i am a fully qualified horticulturalist and starting to study horticulture science and am yet to see magnatized iron spheres naturally develope in soil.

[bradybaker]

So, let me get this straight. You want me to show you that scientists can reproduced evidence that isn't even really evidence at all? I'm saying that the "evidence" presented on your "website" is a load of crap, so obviously scientists cannot reproduce it. Understand?

[spudamore]

by the way its not my website, how do you know its not real evidence? how do you know its a load of crap??? when you have no evidence to support either sides so why waste your time trying debunking everything that is unknown? even though scienctist can't at the moment recreate the evidence doesn't mean it can't be recreated or it doesn't exsist. we aren't scientifically advanced as some may think we are.

[bradybaker]

Originally posted by spudamore how do you know its not real evidence? how do you know its a load of crap??? I already answered those questions, quit avoiding the point.

[spudamore]

i am not avoiding the question You want me to show you that scientists can reproduced evidence that isn't even really evidence at all? ok if all crop cirlces were a hoax and done by normal people, scientist would be able to replicate them all. and in the same length of time with the method of sacred geometry. and have to ask again how do "YOU" know that the evidence is not real? how do "YOU" know its all crap..