Thread: Astral Projection and Spirit guides

Well... I know astral projection is a little bit beyond lucid dreaming, where your soul or consciousness leaves your body and you are able to go wherever/do whatever you want and view both physical and astral planes. But what are good techniques for this? Will WILD work?

Next question is how am I able to contact my spirit guides? I have been trying to for a while, by just attempting to talk to them before I sleep and seeing if they answer me or come in my dreams, but I don't have much luck. Any help with that?

Thanks!

Well, how spiritual are you? Have you a spirit animal? Or have had other things happen in real life that you can connect to? If not i would try meditating a bit, and well get to know them. You have to know what is there (if anything at all) before you start doing what you want. Good luck and let me know what happends.

I can explain some things to you if you want. Ive been traveling in the spirtual world for some time.

Originally Posted by SaMaster14

Well... I know astral projection is a little bit beyond lucid dreaming, where your soul or consciousness leaves your body

Actually, it is the same thing, so no problems. Some think their soul leaves body, some think their have entered dream without losing consciousness but it is just a matter of which interpretation you prefer. The phenomenon itself is the same in both cases.

and you are able to go wherever/do whatever you want and view both physical and astral planes. But what are good techniques for this? Will WILD work?

Yes, as astral projection and WILD is the same thing.

Next question is how am I able to contact my spirit guides? I have been trying to for a while, by just attempting to talk to them before I sleep and seeing if they answer me or come in my dreams, but I don't have much luck. Any help with that?

Try to search and/or call them when you are in LD/AP. Also you may want to think about reasons why do you want to see them. And practice LDing/APing (whatever you call it) - eventually some suspicious DCs will approach you.

thanks for the replies guys!

I'm gonna concentrate on my meditation and keep tyring to AP/LD.

There is no definate proof that astral projecting and WILD is the same thing. The matter is more "grey" than "black or white". There have been lots of discussions on the subject in BD, so if interested you could find more info - and maybe take up the discussion.

Here's a technique I use to Journey (Astral Project):

Envision yourself in a place in nature. Wherever your Heart leads you to first is usually best to go with, don't try to force the vision.

Once you've got your scene firmly in your mind, collect 12 stones and begin placing them in a circle. First in the East then moving clockwise to SE, S, SW, W, NW, N, NE. Then, within that circle create a second circle placing the remaining four stones at the cardinal points, again starting in the East and moving clockwise finishing with North.

In the center of your circle, build a fire. Start with the tinder, then build up to small twigs then small fuel. Once your fire is going, call out to your Guides and ask them to come to you.

If you've focused on the fire building correctly, your mind will be quiet and you will be able to communicate quite clearly with your Guides in this sacred space you have created.

Originally Posted by saxonharp

Here's a technique I use to Journey (Astral Project):

Envision yourself in a place in nature. Wherever your Heart leads you to first is usually best to go with, don't try to force the vision.

Once you've got your scene firmly in your mind, collect 12 stones and begin placing them in a circle. First in the East then moving clockwise to SE, S, SW, W, NW, N, NE. Then, within that circle create a second circle placing the remaining four stones at the cardinal points, again starting in the East and moving clockwise finishing with North.

In the center of your circle, build a fire. Start with the tinder, then build up to small twigs then small fuel. Once your fire is going, call out to your Guides and ask them to come to you.

If you've focused on the fire building correctly, your mind will be quiet and you will be able to communicate quite clearly with your Guides in this sacred space you have created.

hmm... very interesting. I will have to try this!!

Oh... and one question: is this while meditating, or will I have to lucid dream and do this in a dream?

Oh and TJuulsgaard: I will definitely check this section out for more topics and start conversation.

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

There is no definate proof that astral projecting and WILD is the same thing. The matter is more "grey" than "black or white". There have been lots of discussions on the subject in BD, so if interested you could find more info - and maybe take up the discussion.

Theres never going to be any definative proof.
Even if there was a 99% probability of OBES and WILDS being the same, some would prefer to think otherwise.

As it is theres growing scientific evidence that they are indeed the same - though its not often discussed in BD.

Whats more, logic would suggest the same.

Think about how the cult of astral travelling has changed to incorporate Lucid Dreaming in its "teachings". Its like the church accepting evolution. They have no choice but to do so.

Even if Lucid Dreaming and OBE's are different, they are definitely closely related to each other. From what I understand, most of those who experience a Lucid Dream upon awakening accept the unreality of the dream, and those who experience an OBE will not accept that fact and claim it to be real.

I cant say that I've ever had an OBE, though sometimes I think I have. But it may have just been a lucid dream where I thought that I was having an OBE. It's too hard to tell for someone who hasn't directly experienced it, should there be anything to experience.

Ive been reading a book lately called "Out of Body Experiences, how to have them and what to expect." The author clearly sees a difference in Lucid Dreaming and OBE, and there's numerous times in the book where he lapses from astral projection into a lucid dream, so obviously some people see the difference.

Logic can suggest a lot of things that arent necessarily true, and I don't think that you should be calling astral travelers a "cult" moonshine, that might be a little offensive to some of the board members. I guess maybe from your viewpoint though, it's a spiritual practice that seems strange. Hence, cult. To each his own I guess