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I think what you're saying here is that you can split your consciousness multiple times, into smaller and smaller pieces, but by asking "Who is doing all the playing?" you are conceding that all the while there is still a singular self-awareness doing the splitting, and then viewing and maintaining all those consciousnesses.
I am not denying a self doing the splitting. I do suggest the self-awareness doing the splitting might not be able to maintain control of conscious behaviour on all the clones. Idk, but I guess it is the same reason you and Louia say psychologically impossible?
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Of course, doing so would only make time move at its normal pace for a whole bunch of unique people, with no cumulative "slowing," because there can be no overriding "You" to appreciate all your little "you's" experiences. There can't be, because if you retain your self-awareness, then you did not split it out multiple times. There can be only one "You," no matter how many DC "sensors" you've got working for you, in no matter how many dreams. Why? Because all that stuff is being driven by one mind, one brain, and that mind in its totality is you -- self-awareness is the acknowledgment of that totality.
Please, bare with me on what i think is happening in this situation; You split your dream to include two dreams.. Have one dream of riding a flying unicorn while the other surfs on a rainbow for two hours. In this fashion you have just split time itself. You now have the experience of 2 hours riding a unicorn and 2 hours of surfing a rainbow seperately. More importantly, the original time used is extented in relationship to the original scenario of one single lucid dream.
Trick here for me is trying to imagine the cognitive power to process all the tasks in different dreams.
It is for this reason that I believe that if you succeed in this, all the copies perform tasks without conscious control from the oberserver.
The focus/awareness/experience stays in the viewpoint from the total-self. It just now includes a sense of awareness in all the clones it originally created.
I include a sense of smell/taste/vision etc. on all those clones but it lacks a conscious thought it just simply going about its 'spooky' business.
It is an esoteric belief that god actually created the world in a similar fasion. This raises doubts and adds to the philosophy that our free will is more of an illusion. But I think that from our conscious viewpoint it might give us more perspective about who is doing the playing"and who created the console. :lol:
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So, in order to split self-awareness, you would need to create separate entities, all of whom believe whole-heartedy that they are the unique individual occupying this particular mind and brain, that the entire dreamscape they purvey is theirs alone (and yes, this has reportedly happened in advanced cases of split-personality schizophrenia -- but I assume neither you nor Mylynes suggest we go there!).
:\ that split-personality case is rather extreme. I think actually, the scizophrenic person experiencing this is lacking the lucidity to realize he is creating the sensation for himself. As well-informed lucid dreamers i suppose we won't have to worry about that here!
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I'm sorry, I'm not buying the "he's just too advanced and mystical for words" argument. Mylynes is offering this as a tutorial, not a memoir. If he couldn't find the words, then he shouldn't have announced he was going to do a tutorial. And for what it's worth, the "too advanced for words" mystical excuse is usually used when mystics say nothing about their experiences (because they literally can't), and not when they present clear narratives of them.
Maybe not, but atleast Mylenes is trying to convey his most-likely not completely made up experiences. I guess i'll just keep pointing out that words often make it difficult to convey true experience, and such is especially so for topics such as in this thread.
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Also, any advanced process or exploration in LD'ing is incredibly difficult, though if you are simply talking about splitting your consciousness, or in a sense multiplying your points for perception, I can think of several things that are a whole lot harder
Wow, i thought splitting perception is an incredibly hard thing to do. all the more reason for others to try it i guess ;) It actually is hard to me, I tried to just now and I think that this might be a lot easier in dream-state. I suppose it helps practicing now, to perform the dream control when i actually find myself in a dream later. I'm curious though, and just to get this thread back on-topic which says from the thread title it is about dream control in it's totality, could you please name a few skills that are harder to master than just splitting perception? :D