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      love interests..confusion...symbols...Black Bear, Onyx Sword

      so lately I've been trying to get back into keeping my dream journal as I've neglected it for a while (my dreams, as a consequence, becoming less easy to remember)

      due to this intention I think i've been having some more intense dreams the past week or so.

      the one that has stood out the most was one i had a few nights ago. basically i was talking to this guy that i don't really know that well in real life, but have been feeling like a i have a kind of crush-from-a-distance on. i know that he and i probably wouldn't be the best of partners, (lots of similarities but also differences in important areas) and i haven't been completely sure why i keep getting that crushy feeling with him..... also i have been gradually getting involved with someone else and i really like him, although i have been doubtful about getting into a relationship as i have just had a long time of being in and out of very unhealthy relationships which has almost destroyed me (and i am only just now feeling happier within myself).

      so... the dream went as followed... i am chatting to the crush guy. i seem to be helping him build something. he passes me a long tube to cut, like a bicycle tube only white with red parts on it (stripes down the length of it i think). his dad is standing behind me and says i am good at it, not like most girls. although i don't think i am doing a great job because i'm trying to measure out 5cm from the end with measuring tape and mark it but something seems to be pulling it away from me, to the side. i make a marking, then i realise it already had a marking on it... i start cutting with scissors and the cut is very messy and not accurately on the mark.

      my recall is not perfect after this stage, i am not sure if something else happened at this point but the next thing i remember is crush guy starts saying something about how he needs help with his "circuitry". i tell him i can help. then i sing him a song about a black onyx sword and it appears, upright, in the centre of a belt which is on the waist of a large black/dark brown bear. the blade is onyx, the hilt is silver and i think it might have had some kind of green stone on the hilt as well, like a cross between aventurine and moss agate. (green is one of my fav colours)

      crush guy then tells me he loves me.

      i also vaguely remember hugging the bear at an earlier point in the dream. or maybe it was more like the bear was hugging me.



      so a little more info on crush guy. he studies science and seems to be very skeptical and atheist. i used to be like this up until i started having experiences which made me feel more open to spirituality and the concept of god. it feels like, when i post things of this nature on facebook, i think about how i might appear to him... that he might think i'm silly for believing in certain things. it doesn't stop me from posting them, i just find myself thinking about it a lot.

      the other guy, that i have been involved with, is extremely open to things of a spiritual nature, has similar experiences to what i have had, and i feel like he and i are much more suited. i know that it's probably just a crush with crush guy (hence the name...) but for some reason i keep thinking about him and what he thinks of me, how he perceives me. i try not to but it seems difficult at times even though i'm aware of it. i keep thinking that maybe he likes me too, but i am not sure. i don't want to embark on any kind of relationship with him, whether sexual or serious. i am already hesitant to get more serious with the other guy.


      i would love to hear some thoughts on this. i have a few ideas of what it could mean, which i will share after i get a few replies. i'm just still a bit confused and would like to hear any thoughts on the bear and sword symbolism.

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      Ok, maybe I got Freud on my mind, or my mind is in the gutter, but when I hear crush guy say "help me with my circuitry," and then you make something appear that could be said to be phallic shaped or be a symbol of manhood in other way (sword fighting is a way of proving that one is a "man") and all that happens after you were measuring out the size of a tube (which is also kind of phalic in shape, though not as stiff yet as a sword), well as I said my mind is either Freudian or in the gutter, but I think there may be some sexual inuendos in this dream.

      Our culture has a large stress on just one relationship at a time due to moral values, but sexual attraction can only be controlled when one is conscious, and even then sometimes we feel attracted to someone else, and that's normal, and as long as we don't fool ourselves about it and do not act on it if we are in another relationship and do not wish to mess it up, there is no harm in some harmless sexual attraction or crush. During waking you of course should base your decision on things like who do you think you are compatible with, but your dreaming mind will not follow reasons or morality, and may well shamelessly pursue a sexual attraction which your waking conscious mind may not approve of. At times this leads to some awkwardness upon waking and personally I have been mad at myself for such illicit dreams, but both you and I need to accept that in non-lucid dreams our subconscious may do whatever it feels like and not necessarily be smart or good or wise about it.

      Oh, and I don't really have many thoughts on the bear other than that there is an idiom "bear hug" and then there is animal attraction, which is unlike human well reasoned out attraction, kind of along the lines of what I wrote above. So maybe your mind is saying that this is just animal attraction?
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      hmm. well that's interesting. i don't even know if what i have with crush guy is animal attraction though. i mean it's not really about looks/physical attraction. it seems like a personality crush more than anything, even though we have the aforementioned differences. honestly i'm still trying to figure it out but my own interpretation is more that i may be letting this crush come between the connection that i am making with the other guy. maybe because i'm scared of getting that close to someone. to me, the bear seemed to represent protection (the hug), or like some sites have said, an intruder coming into my life. the onyx sword representing protection also, warding off negative energies (in the past i have had a pattern of giving up good relationships for something more frivolous and meaningless..and ended up getting hurt).

      swords also have significance for me in regards to the guy i have been getting involved with, connections to the tarot... in one of his tarot readings the princess of swords appeared and it seemed like it was representative of me for various reasons. swords were a strong recurring suit in the reading. also the fact that we were messing around with another deck and he chose one - it was the king of swords... then i went to pick one, was shuffling them and one fell out.... princess of swords.... so i was thinking, since swords represent matters of the mind, logic etc, perhaps this meant something to do with rationalism and the skeptical mindset of crush guy. that's where i got confused because i wasn't sure if the bear with the onyx sword was representative of a more rational mindset, or a warning against crush guy, getting too into him, like a protective reminder of the connection i have with my "king of swords"..
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      Ah, I am a strong believer that the dreamer is the best interpreter of his or her dreams, so I believe your interpretation of your own dream to be much more accurate.

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      yeah, maybe but it could of course include elements of yours too. i definitely relate to your second paragraph.

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      Just to add more clarifusion.

      CUTTING YOUR INNER TUBE
      You must have been building something with him - your potential relationship.
      And you must have felt the need to cut something from this, or from his side.
      If it was an inner tube, that can mean what is inside you that you need to inflate to keep on the road, I don't know. Or a tube is what something goes through, from one place to another. So maybe from him to you, or vice-sersa.
      But white is positive and red is a line of danger or warning, unless passion. going through the whole thing.

      It seems you thought you were doing good, regarding his side. And maybe you thought other girls were not good at helping build like this, or else in the past you weren't, it most likely means, I think.
      But you thought you weren't good at it, maybe it was new. You tried to measure what was already measured. It was already marked where you should cut off this unwanted bit - you had already done that - possibly from your past experience.
      That is why you made a bit of a mess, and missed the mark.
      You probably didn't need to cut off what was already marked to be rid of. What would travel between the two of you, or join you, connect you, maybe.
      I don't know if that can fit with my prior idea that maybe you didn't inflate the tube because you have not inflated the relationship. But if not, at least you won't have any chance of going round in circles if ever you felt that before, ha.

      INTER-MISSION
      You can't recall if somethng happened here probably means nothing really did happen, or you didn't conclude or neatly tie up the last end bit.
      You don't want to embark on any kind of relationship with him.


      Not actual dream image.

      BEAR WITH SWORD (Before reading your second post with your interpretations)
      At first, I thought crush guy starts saying something about how he needs help with his "circuitry" means the way he thinks, functions, or makes connections was not on a par with you, in that he wasn't spiritual minded. And you sung that song of the spiritual to him with some symbols perhaps...
      But now I think it means you needed to help your thought of him because of your serious past hurt.
      The negative sword and the dark almost black bear are danger, I reckon. But the sword being upright sounds upright, as in you are now upright, or standing on your feet better, or with more integrity - meaning wholeness - now.
      So maybe the sword is the weapon of that in you, against darkness or bad, the black bear (of hurt) holds in control.
      The green stone certainly seems to indicate growth/healing/health, where you held the sword.
      Hence now, realising you are in control of past hurt or over it ~ which you sung in harmony, beauty, and being in tune ~ you can safely love the guy.

      Hugging the bear earlier, or being hugged, can mean you now embrace this part of yourself, having resolved it.

      But then again maybe the bear is what can harm you, and the black sword with it's valuable green gem is spirituality it now holds in control, and in your uprightness. But why black, or dark? Unseen by him??
      Maybe then the circuitry you needed to help him with was both your differences and your past hurt.

      (AFTER READING YOURS)
      Power and protection against negative, such as of the past unhealthy relationship, maybe sounds better. And the hug with that.
      Then you say swords represent matters of the mind, logic ... ahhhHHH! Maybe for you. But for the dream? To me, a sword is a weapon, that can kill the undesirable.
      Even if a powerful bear could be positive, it is still dangerous or represents danger.

      Ultimately though I think we don't dream what we don't already know or think.
      We just often don't wake up in the day.
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