Three dreams - Three deceiving women

[Sover]

Hi! So during some months back I have had three dreams, which of who all contain a deceiving woman. I would like your help to better figure out this character and theses dreams. The first one is from 27 april: There is a woman who fools. She has fooled me before. I found myself in a place. There was a bar there. The woman had dark, maybe black hair and looked quite beautiful. I felt a certain attraction to her, a certain excitement about her and this game she was playing. She wanted to deceive others into this game, and did it with ease. Her power was very special, a little mysterious. She enjoyed tricking others into this game. It gave her excitement and joy. This woman asked me if I wanted a beer. She wanted to invite me. I knew this was the way into the game, in her trap. If I said yes to this beer, I was in her power. Like I said, a special power. She had no control over you, but you were drawn into something where different rules applied. You had to finish the game, but this was not easy. She was like a gate guard into another world, and she wanted ohers to get in there. This process were she brings me in to this confusing and dangerous world, this game, is what gave her delight. Before she invited me in, I was totally a part of this world, the real world. When she gave me her invitation it brought me excitement and her excitement. We then both feel how we stand on the threshold to pass into another world. She is of both worlds, unshakable in this existence, a link that connects them together. I knew what to expect when I said yes, because I said yes. Then the initial excitement, the temptation to take the first step disappears. The step was taken, and I can almost hear the door close and lock behind me. Now there is no turning back. This, I knew. Each step in this process, and how to survive and make it through the game, yes even that I knew of. I had deliberately taken this step. A slight concern takes place in the body, but I meet it with courage and serenity. Despite that I once before been deceived, she did not recognize me. She thought I was still an innocent victim who would fall for any of the game's all mysterious dangers. The first step to expect, when you slowly start to disappear from this world into the next, is confusion. Things that you previously had, things whose existence you trusted, begin to disappear. Without knowledge of this , one will suffer from strong confusion and often fear. Some victims even panic. I was looking around in my bag, without being able to find such important things like credit cards and the like. My phone I probably had left, but I 'm not sure. Probably, but I could not make any calls with it. Not being able to take this with calm, but panicly looking around for all of their stuff, is the first trap. So many people fall flat here. They are unable to cope with that the things that should be there, are not there. Because it's important stuff. What should we do without them? What you should do, the only option is to take a deep breath and accept the situation. You have now entered a different world. In this world, things are corruptible. Things disappear. It is not something that will take them. That things should be permanent, is however not to be trusted. So take a deep breath, and let the tranquility that comes with acceptance, wash over you. Stop searching for that which can not be found! "It must be there." That's a very deceptive thought. Rely on it, and you 're stuck. You will not be able to move forward. Things later in the game will offer more dangerous locations and scenarios. I and others will be in danger of our lives. But if we can get through each step, then we have finished the game . And when we have completed the game, so we are free again , and back in the real world. Then we can take a breather. But now we enter this unpredictable, dark and dangerous world. So now we are ready to face whatever comes. Okay, so I realise that this will be quite long. But if you are up to it, I will be very thankful for any interpretation or thought you might share. Next dream I had is from 1st of may: I and several others were in a place. It was an island in the middle of an ocean. It was very sunny here. On the island was also a woman with long dark hair. She did not belong to our group, but belonged more to this island. This island consisted mostly of a very large facility that was made largely of concrete. The rest of the island was green with vegetation. We were, however for the most part in this facility. It was however possible to be both indoors and outdoors at the facility. What the plant was for, I do not know. On the other hand, it had a deserted feel to it. It was probably also the case that we did not belong here at this island, we had our home far from this island. Here on the island we were incommunicado . The woman felt we should leave this island, it was not that she wanted to get rid of us. She meant more just because it was best for us to get to where we belonged. Here, on this deserted place, there was not really a home for us. She would not, however, get out of here, but belonged here. It was not that she expressed some anxiety over disappearing from here, or any joy to stay. To take her from here would be like removing the island from itself. They simply belong together. We agreed with the woman that we should leave. According to her, however, it was not so simple that we could just leave. There was a lot we had to do first. She, however, was willing to help us and tell us what it was we needed to do. Although there were many other important things, there was one thing that was more important than the other. At the bottom of the facility, there were large concrete culverts. Linked to these aisles was water locks. What we should do was to open these locks so that water could flow out in to aisles. In between all this, I disappeared now and again in to another world. In this second world, I began a relationship with a young woman. This felt very exciting. I was very attracted to her . She seemed at first not quite sure if she wanted to have a closer relationship with me. But we came closer together, and I felt a lot of warmth and love. I did not feel bad about being on the plant. It had a mysterious feel to it . One could wonder what this plant once had been. How was it that it was now deserted, except for the woman? Who was this woman? I had at the same time also a sense that we've been here too long, that we should be where we belonged. Getting the water sluices open proved to be extremely difficult. We did as the woman told us to do and worked hard. It seemed however, that it would not go. Then one day, we were down in the darkened concrete culvert. We had to be down here to get the water flowing. There was however a risk with it, as the water would come gushing out in these passages. Before the floodgates would be opened as a warning light would illuminate and then had to run. We got up the locks and took us away. Then it turned out that no water came. Who was the woman? We had done as she said and still got no water. The woman was a robot. We found many parts in her. It was plastic things that looked like a remote control, calculator and more. One man in our group watched a lot of these. Maybe it was possible to control the woman. I was standing on a metal hire leaders, far above the culvert engines. Now I saw down there the water flowed. I was delighted and new hope was lit. I ran away to the others in the group and told them what had happened. It flowed down there. Thus, it had been right. We had succeeded. I told the group that I had been down similar culverts once before. Then a light started to shine just when I was near a water sluice. All ailes would then be flooded. You only got the warning from i light apearing. Therefore it put a lot of responsibility to oneself to keep track of these lamps. For any other warning, there was not. I had run out of the aisles as soon as the light turnd on and had got out. One difference between these locks and the locks on the island, where the water was located at the entrance where I had been before, and that the water at the locks was quite far away from the opening. Then you thus had more time to run. We had managed to open the locks and was done with all that the woman had said we had to do. The woman thought we should go. We could go now. The woman said that we could not go just yet. There were still things left to do. Should we then stop? No, the woman thought that we should go . We could not, however, go. The man became angrier and angrier. He shook the woman. He yelled at her and wanted to know how it really was. Should we not go? Yes, of course you should leave. Then we will go! No, you can not yet. There are things left to do. Then it hit me. The woman had lied to us. There was not anything we had to do. When we were here on the island, she encouraged us to leave. When we wanted to go, she always found some reason to keep us there. But when we stayed, she did what she could to help us with what we needed to do to move forward. She did not do this out of malice, not out of any will at all. She had no will. It was like she was programmed to do this to us. "Do not you understand?", I wanted to say to the man. " We don't have to do anything. She has just tricked us. We can leave any time we want to . " And the last one, which I had this month (september). I didn't write this down though, so I will keep it short: In this dream I was very powerful and could use magic. I could even fly. And I did fly, high over buildings. To be able to fly and use magic, was so wonderful. I was one my way to meet a woman, a witch. She lived as far up as you could come at this place. She had something that was very powerful. When I came I understood that she was ready to give me this thing. When she held out the thing for me to take, she looked malicious. Somewho I knew, or perhaps someone told me, that this thing would acctually drain away all my magical powers. I was not 100% sure, but it made me doubt. So I did not take it. And I laughed at her and told her that I was so much more powerful than her. So what do you think?

[riveroflaroo]

Well.. I'll first keep it rather short. Your first dream makes me think of people initially starting to focus on dreams and dream interpretation. It's like your dream is telling you that when you enter the world of dreams, you have to leave behind your normal sense of logic, and "play by the rules of the dream". Maybe the dream is telling you something about how you should relate to dreams in general? The second dream first of all makes me think of a Tv show I have seen on Norwegian channels.. called "Prisoners at the fort" (Fangene på Fortet). To me it would seem that you might be making things more difficult than they need be. All the tasks you were given was really not necessary. An island makes me think that your dream might be trying to tell you that this really is no big deal. Might be related to your view on women or a special woman. Maybe you think that she is more complicated than she really is? Or it might be you view on the feminine sides of your own personality. The third dream also makes me think of the feminine sides of your personality. Maybe the dream tells you that you do not need to seek an external way of dealing with it, you will be far better off doing it your own way. We all have masculine and feminine sides to our personalities, and witches are very much connected with the feminine side and the "earthly" side of dealing with emotions. The third dream in particular would have made me think of doing things my own way.. if it was my dream A few short thoughts

[JoannaB]

As always, of course my interpretation may be wrong, and disregard any part that does not sound right: I definitely think that the woman in all three dreams represents the same personality trait. This is a dream series and these dreams build upon oneanother. If I were you, I would definitely think of the woman as a part of you: a part that is more feminine, more contradictory, and likes playing games that are not necessarily in the rest of your best interest but hard to tell - perhaps it is in your best interest but the part of you that you identify with cannot understand the intent of the games yet. I know from your previous posts that you work as a psychologist and are into dream interpretation. One thing that I have observed in dream interpretation is that even when I give advice to others about their dreams, at times aspects of that interpretation reflect a lot about myself, because I interpret their dreams in part by intuitively relating to them based on my own experience. So with that in mind, a few quotes from your interpretations of others dreams recently, I think may apply here "It doesn't seem to me that the psychologist is a threat to you. He is trying to help you see the truth even how painful it is." -- similarly maybe the woman is not really a deceiver, but just is trying to show you a painful truth (the psychologist is not a threat, the woman is not a threat, you are not a threat ) And in another response to someone else's dream recently, you wrote, "When we feel fear and anxiety our body is telling us that something dangerous is happening or about to happen. This response provokes us to fight or flee. Because of that the mind wants us to avoid feelings of fear and anxiety, since these feelings tell us we are in danger of dying. Therefore it seems very logical to try and control or avoid your feelings." I see a similarity here to the island scenario of your dream, which I think also provokes a fight or flight response in you in response to some sort of anxiety or other feeling that you are trying to control or avoid. In your dream, you try to either get off the island, or discredit the woman who is part of the island - making her mechanical and thus controllable. However, there is a tension there between the woman being natural or artificial, manipulative or controllable, an internal conflict withing your mind perhaps between parts of you that are contradictory. Similarly in the last dream, you know powerful magic, and yet are in danger of losing that magic if you are not careful because of the witch, and yet you seek out this danger. In the first dream, you also enter the game, knowing full well that it is risky and this excites you. So maybe, you do not want to avoid the issues because the danger and challenge excites you. You seek trouble, but maybe it is because the trouble is really a challenge and an opportunity. The woman in your dreams is not clearly evil perhaps, without her challenge what would all your magic be worth - perhaps you need to risk losing your magic to realize your true potential, you need the excitement of a challenge or riddle or game - but it is the game of life, and the stakes are high and they matter, but if life were not a game with high risks, would it be worth living? Would you stay on the island if you could peacefully live with the woman, or would you leave that island as too boring? Is the deception/challenge necessary for the satisfaction? I remember your saying before that "Trying to fake being asleep is maybe about trying to escape work responsibility. So to me the dream says that I am not willing to meet the fear of taking responsibility. That is, I am obsessed about doing what is right (norms, rituals and rules at my work), instead of thinking about what I think is right. I think it has both to do with my patient work and social situations at work. That is, I adapt, at the same time as I am terrified that I will loose my own will, being caught up in other peoples obsessive rituals. So it could be a projection. Other people are trying to force me. I am lying passively, hoping things will resolve without me taking action." I think all that may still apply to this dream, the fear of loosing your own will, not getting to do what you think is right, I think all that is still here. There is a tension in these dreams as to whether you are in control or whether the woman is, and you want to be the one in control, but these women in your dream are manipulative and trying to get you to do things their way.

[Sover]

First of all, thanks for spending time reading these long dreams! I should also point out that I am not new to dream interpretation. I've been writing down dreams for more than 10 years now. I think it's more about how I can relate to myself, my thoughts, feelings and life in general. My girlfriend told me that she thought that the woman on the island was Thoughts, and as we discover when we look inside her we see that she has different functions. We can use our thoughts to control our behaviour, we can use them to solve problems, etc. But when we look at the different functions we also lose the wholeness of the thoughts. And why then are the thoughts a woman? In the same dream the Man starts to argue with the Woman. He gets angry since to woman changes her mind on what we should do. He want's to be told what to do. In this moment I get the insight that I am free and don't need to do what my thoughts are telling me to do. "Fångarna på fortet", it's called in swedish . I like mysterious things. I like abandoned places. They always gives me certain feeling, and I wonder what happened there. What people lived here? Why did they abandon this place? It's like a proof that people was there, but now when the people are gone it has lost it's function. Now it's just concrete, empty of life. I like mysteries. When you, riveroflaroo, says: ”witches are very much connected with the feminine side and the "earthly" side of dealing with emotions”, could you say something more about it? I think it holds some significans. All of the women in the different dreams are connected to something, and like they are in the centre of something. I can't really grasp this though. I think in some ways these dreams are about different beliefs. The most present belief: ”I have the achieve certain things until I can be free.” It's about believing I need to follow certain rules. When you, JoannaB, write about these women giving me the painful truth, I think about a dream I had a couple of years ago. It was woman there, and she was a member of some group. They wanted to give something to drink. That drink would make me like drunk, or loose contious. I thought it was a trick, and that they would do something bad with me. I was angry and scared in the dream. But when I woke up and thought about the dream, I thought that I should trust the woman and drink. So I think it was about being afraid to loose control, thinking I then will be controlled. So these dreams show me that I am moving towards a place which I know I can't control, and in the same time an insight that the woman can't control me. Since my father has always been a really rigid type, and my mother is more of the opposite, this can mayby shed some light on why it's a woman in the dream. My father has always tried to teach me to do what is right, logical and rational, while my mother has been leaning more on trying to teach me to follow what I want, my passions etc. ”perhaps you need to risk losing your magic to realize your true potential”. I think this is very true. I think the women in the dreams cary a lot of truth with them, as you say, it is a painful truth. If I let go of the belief that I am all powerful, more so than anyone else, I feel like I am not in control. So letting go of these ”magical beliefs” I can really start doing things, and mayby as the woman, be connected. I think you write a lot of intresting stuff, JoannaB, and these dreams seem to touch a central theme for me. In short words I think the dream is telling me this: ”To really be in control of your life, you have to let go of the belief that you can have complete control. And to let you get affected by others won't make you loose who you are, but it will give you greater connection to yourself, others and the world itself.”

[riveroflaroo]

Sover: Well, witches are often a symbol for intuition, and the knowledge we all keep deep inside about our true self. At least they are to me. When I dream of witches, I know my dreams speak to me of knowledge that are based upon intuition, a subconscious gathering of information of my life, events and emotions relating to my status quo. When I write "earthly" I think of...hm... how do I say it in english.. more basic emotions. The need for safety, love, sex, pleasure. And a lot of times, the feeling of belonging on earth, and in my own life. Witches kinda tells me to look at the roots of my emotions, and see how they play out on the situations I am facing at the present moment. I don't always appreciate them turing up in my dreams, especially when they look nasty or scary.. because it usually mean I'm being a bitch.. either towards myself, or worse, towards others, or that I am ignoring my most basic emotions The feminine side is more based on "vague feelings".. feelings we sometimes overlook, in order to come forth as logical and sensible.. but a lot of the time the sensible side is a truckload of bullshit So I do listen to my witches.. even if I don't want to all of the time

[Sover]

Interesting! Made me think of two other dreams I've had with magical women. I seldom lable them as witches though. In one of the dreams a very powerful woman (actually Lanfear from the Wheel of Time, if you have read it), who served "the Dark One", had stolen a magical object from me. At least I was convinced she had stolen it. The object was The Horn of Valere (made to wake the heroes of legend for the last battle) which can be used for good and evil. When I met Lanfear she was trapped in a wooden cage in a dark forrest. I was led there by a deer (spirit-guide? ) She was trapped together with other darkfriends. Even though they were evil, I wanted to let them out. But when I saw her I changed my mind. She was to powerful. In another dream, me and my oldest brother was trapped in a city controlled by women using magic. They had cast a spell on us which made our footing slippery, so would'nt be able to get out of the city. Though we managed to crawl outside. One of the women followed us. I think she was faceless. When we met her I realised that I also could use magic, turned myself into a tiger and ripped her to shreds. So these dreams ofte contain control, and being trapped. You mention intuition, which to me also brings in the element of trust in oneself. Intuition tells us one thing and the mind tells us another thing. It's easier to trust that which seems reasonable and the things you think other would deem as good or right. Intuition is vague, giving a feeling of being on the right path, but with less verbal explenations WHY it is a good path. If I feel that I have behaved dysfunctionaly in a dream, I often imagine how I could behave otherwise. And sometimes I then do change the behavior in my dream, even though I'm not aware that I am dreaming. Like, not fighting against perceived threats in my dream. So I think I should try and listen more to my witches and take what they want to give me, even though it feels like I'm being decieved. They are after all just a part of myself, so not trusting them, meens I do not trust myself.