Demonic Voices / Fearless

[Dangeruss]

Yesterday in my afternoon nap I encountered a zombie who whispered in one of the creepier voices I've ever heard "destroyyyyyyyyyyyyy," and then lashed out at some bystanders. Then today during my nap there were two copies of my friend from real life in the same scene. One was his normal self and the other was beaten up, younger, dirty, and spoke in a weird, awesomely demonic voice that was probably the #1 creepiest voice I've ever heard. As if that weren't weird enough, these dreams completely lack fear. I see these obviously evil DCs and I just walk right by them. I'm not sure what all of this means, if anything. Any ideas?

[Inspirer]

I guess it's all about revelry inside you as in "burn baby burn!"

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Dangeruss Yesterday in my afternoon nap I encountered a zombie who whispered in one of the creepier voices I've ever heard \"destroyyyyyyyyyyyyy,\" and then lashed out at some bystanders. Then today during my nap there were two copies of my friend from real life in the same scene. One was his normal self and the other was beaten up, younger, dirty, and spoke in a weird, awesomely demonic voice that was probably the #1 creepiest voice I've ever heard. As if that weren't weird enough, these dreams completely lack fear. I see these obviously evil DCs and I just walk right by them. I'm not sure what all of this means, if anything. Any ideas? Fear and Apprehensions are often emotions that are felt while anticipating dangers and difficulties. But during the activities themselves, men have been conditioned by an upbringing of game playing and sports to simply play on through. One would think one would be afraid in a knife fight or a gun battle, but generally people in those situations are as composed as though they were playing in a football match. The feelings of trauma come afterward, just as you are reacting to the content of your dream after it is over. Now, yes, it should be a concern that you are under demonic attack. These demons are trying to influence you. Or you are sensing that these demons are influencing your friends. Often we take little trouble in selecting appropriate 'friends' but consider those people to be our 'friends' who only happen to be acquaitenances by proximity. If the people we hang around with are those people whom we work with, or our immediate neighbors, then we must consider just how intimate we should allow ourselves to get with these people who we did not so much ever consciously choose to be with, but who were thrust upon us by circumstance. Your friends may not be the nicest of people. Anyway, I'm a good superstitious Catholic and believe in Spiritual Protections. I say the Prayer to Archangel Michael every morning. I wear a Saint Benedict Medal on my Brown Scapular (Saint Benedict Medals are instrumental in Exorcisms, and Michael is the Avenging Angel). Doing the Sign of the Cross is a valid evocation of Spiritual Protection, and it was largely so I could use that easy form of protection that I converted to Catholicism in the first place. Also, hanging a Crucifix in the same room where you sleep would also serve to keep the demons at a distance. Exercise some caution while these Demonic Intrusions continue. For instance, don't have any more than just a few drinks at a time. If you've listened to any stories, then you know that people, once out of their early twenties can tolerate being drunk less and less and will speak of Black Outs, where they can't remember having gone home from the night before. There are missing hours in which they have no idea what they were up to. Well, this is fine as long as one is not under Demonic Attack, but if one falls under demonic influence while being black out drunk, which doesn't really take all that much, after the age of 24, then it could possibly be dangerous -- to yourself and to others. There may be other forms of Spiritual Protection. Some New Age People swear on the effectiveness of Evoking the White Light as a form of Spiritual Protection. It is true that Demons, like Vampires, are repulsed by The Light. But then I wonder whether just trying to evoke the White Light is actually effective. The intention may be quite admirable, but does any White Light actually arrive on the scene simply because one wished for it. But the Spiritual Protections of the Catholic are rooted in Physical Reality. They are on the scene because we bought them at the store, and brought them home. The White Light may be precarious in its promise. But it may be worth a try.

[Dangeruss]

very interesting, leo. I think I'll look through my dream journals tonight and find out what the demon in my friends might be. I've always known not to trust the friend who i saw two of (one was a demon, the other was normal). Our relationship is such that I can rely on him to come through for me if I need him but also that if I can't do the same for him he'll let me fry. the zombie however didn't manifest in any of my friends, but it attacked some people that might be related in some way. Anyway I'll think about this tonight.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Dangeruss very interesting, leo. I think I'll look through my dream journals tonight and find out what the demon in my friends might be. I've always known not to trust the friend who i saw two of (one was a demon, the other was normal). Our relationship is such that I can rely on him to come through for me if I need him but also that if I can't do the same for him he'll let me fry. the zombie however didn't manifest in any of my friends, but it attacked some people that might be related in some way. Anyway I'll think about this tonight. This suggests a strange paradox regarding both Demons and Barbarians. While attacking the Greater Organizations, they are perfectly willing to set up small groupings fixed upon narrower codes of Loyalty. The Paradox of setting Small Loyalties to commit Large Treasons doesn't seem to occur to them. It goes all the way back to the Creation Story of the Fallen Angels. Yes, we could understand that Lucifer could feel that he could do better for himself if entirely independent, then if he remained obedient to God. But what remains a mystery is why the other Fallen Angels would suppose that having the same Loyalty to a Lesser Angel would benefit them more than being Loyal to God. Loyalty, after all, is loyalty. Why waste it upon lesser things. The difference is contained within the impulse to destroy. They've had studies in which they printed up prospectuses for certain free seminars, and they would include Week End Classes on Explosive Demolition, Glass Breaking, and then other Classes like Home Construction and Furniture Making. And, yes, while many people did sign up for the constructive classes, a great many people signed up for those entirely useless classes that focussed entirely upon destruction. Also, the Barbaric and Demonic Impulse is also very much encouraged within our Society. Look at Sci Fi Films -- do they not almost entirely caste Civilization in a bad light and glorify the Rebels and the Barbarians that are committed to the destruction of the Larger Order. And it does source out of the same old barbaric impulses -- that Selfish Mentality thinks that more material can be acquired and more satisfaction attained by attacking others than by cooperating with them. It was like the Vikings burning down the Great Irish Monasteries and Universities in order to steal a few sackfuls of golden candlesticks, when if they could have cooperated on the same level as those whom they attacked, they could have had a Civilization too. And then the paradox continues in that the most successful Barbarians in History have been able to most approximate the Loyalty Structures and the Collectivity of the Civilizations. For instance, Genghis Khan was able to set up schemes of Regimentation whereby he could account for 100,000 men within minutes. Indeed, the most successful Barbarians only seem to be militating toward not so much destroying civilization as replacing it with one under their own ownership. This is why I suppose we have so much Propaganda in the West about Freedom -- they wish to weaken all of the structures of the Traditional Cultures and Economic Structures until they have acquired all ownership to themselves. When the Barbarians manage to acquire and concentrate all wealth into their own hands, suddenly the chants of Freedom are replaced with political lobbies for protecting property rights and underwriting major corporations. Yet such Barbarian Societies can never be lasting and perpetual Civilizations, because they carry within them the seeds of their own destruction -- their Ideals support the next wave of Bandits. It is like America, who founded itself on Treason, and wrote the existence of Armed Militias into its Constitution. It virtually destines its society to collapse into bloody Civil War... again! No True Civilization can be founded upon Barbaric Principles. It must not be "Join with us and we will have more than Everybody Else". It must be "We are all in this Together". So, in short, Barbarians will expect loyalty, and even be loyal too. But eventually they will be asking you to go with them to burn down Irish Monasteries for some lousy Candlesticks.

[Glorfindel_III]

Leo you really need to learn when it is appropriate to use capital letters...

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Glorfindel_III Leo you really need to learn when it is appropriate to use capital letters... That should be the worst failure I have in life... the maluse of Capital Letters. I am now learning Chinese where I don't believe that will be such a Problem.

[Glorfindel_III]

I am now learning Chinese where I don't believe that will be such a Problem.[/b] hehe, that's true. By the way, you shouldn't have used a capital 'P' for problem

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Glorfindel_III I am now learning Chinese where I don't believe that will be such a Problem. hehe, that's true. By the way, you shouldn't have used a capital 'P' for problem [/b] Actually, I capitalize words that wish to emphasize. Some people would capitalize every letter of a word they wish to emphasize, but I think just one is enough. Other people use italics, and they are available, but it takes a great deal of time to work the brackets and all. And, another thing, I am not a school child, and never imagined that anybody would be so rude as to correct my behavior.

[Dangeruss]

hahahaha! I actually do the same thing whenever I'm working on microsoft word, but over the internet I avoid the issue by not capitalizing anything. Also, being corrected is a way of life for many of us. The average adolescent has no problem correcting people, as we get corrected every minute of every day. I'm sure Glorfindel didn't mean to be so rude. This suggests a strange paradox regarding both Demons and Barbarians. While attacking the Greater Organizations, they are perfectly willing to set up small groupings fixed upon narrower codes of Loyalty. The Paradox of setting Small Loyalties to commit Large Treasons doesn't seem to occur to them. It goes all the way back to the Creation Story of the Fallen Angels. Yes, we could understand that Lucifer could feel that he could do better for himself if entirely independent, then if he remained obedient to God. But what remains a mystery is why the other Fallen Angels would suppose that having the same Loyalty to a Lesser Angel would benefit them more than being Loyal to God. Loyalty, after all, is loyalty. Why waste it upon lesser things. The difference is contained within the impulse to destroy. They've had studies in which they printed up prospectuses for certain free seminars, and they would include Week End Classes on Explosive Demolition, Glass Breaking, and then other Classes like Home Construction and Furniture Making. And, yes, while many people did sign up for the constructive classes, a great many people signed up for those entirely useless classes that focussed entirely upon destruction. Also, the Barbaric and Demonic Impulse is also very much encouraged within our Society. Look at Sci Fi Films -- do they not almost entirely caste Civilization in a bad light and glorify the Rebels and the Barbarians that are committed to the destruction of the Larger Order. And it does source out of the same old barbaric impulses -- that Selfish Mentality thinks that more material can be acquired and more satisfaction attained by attacking others than by cooperating with them. It was like the Vikings burning down the Great Irish Monasteries and Universities in order to steal a few sackfuls of golden candlesticks, when if they could have cooperated on the same level as those whom they attacked, they could have had a Civilization too. And then the paradox continues in that the most successful Barbarians in History have been able to most approximate the Loyalty Structures and the Collectivity of the Civilizations. For instance, Genghis Khan was able to set up schemes of Regimentation whereby he could account for 100,000 men within minutes. Indeed, the most successful Barbarians only seem to be militating toward not so much destroying civilization as replacing it with one under their own ownership. This is why I suppose we have so much Propaganda in the West about Freedom -- they wish to weaken all of the structures of the Traditional Cultures and Economic Structures until they have acquired all ownership to themselves. When the Barbarians manage to acquire and concentrate all wealth into their own hands, suddenly the chants of Freedom are replaced with political lobbies for protecting property rights and underwriting major corporations. Yet such Barbarian Societies can never be lasting and perpetual Civilizations, because they carry within them the seeds of their own destruction -- their Ideals support the next wave of Bandits. It is like America, who founded itself on Treason, and wrote the existence of Armed Militias into its Constitution. It virtually destines its society to collapse into bloody Civil War... again! No True Civilization can be founded upon Barbaric Principles. It must not be \"Join with us and we will have more than Everybody Else\". It must be \"We are all in this Together\". So, in short, Barbarians will expect loyalty, and even be loyal too. But eventually they will be asking you to go with them to burn down Irish Monasteries for some lousy Candlesticks.[/b] It makes sense then that andrew should be related to barbarism in my dreams. He is, in a few senses of the word, a criminal. However, I would say that I trust him more than most of my friends, because I know how well defined his philosophies on trust are. Trust is not a game to him, nor a short-term commitment, as it would be to the average teenager. It's more something that should be avoided due to the weight of its implications, but since he already trusts/is trusted by his close friends he wouldn't go back on it. So, in a sense, he is like a barbarian. Our mutual trust is strong, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he called in a huge favor at any time, nor would I be surprised if said favor involved thoroughly breaking the law, or screwing over other criminals who he perceives to be dishonorable. I've thought about the people who were attacked by the zombie in the first dream. They aren't the type of people who would be in danger of becoming corrupt in any way. One is my catholic/conservative english teacher, and another is a friend who doesn't seem to have done anything wrong in his life. I'm not sure what their involvement with andrew is, but I know that he is kind of an antithesis to them. They don't really interact in any way in real life, which is what puzzles me. Nor would there be any hostility between them if they did know each other well. Perhaps the zombie isn't related to andrew at all, but just a manifestation of beliefs that are contrary to the victims'. Their contradictory beliefs are destructive by nature, and so maybe they are victims because they are doomed to one day be victims, as they are members of the majority belief that violence and crime is unnecessary. They fall under the label of 'prey' to those upon which andrew would feel no remorse preying upon. So perhaps the demonic andrew is the stronger but more benevolent evil presence, having perhaps a more powerful evil presence in the dream world despite his lack of violence relative to the faceless evil.