Through the forest maze

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

I am running through a forest, through various crossings, and come to a cliff, I am nearly knocked off and continue journeying, with a party of 3 or 4 people chasing behind. Eventually I clear the forest and find a house, with a girl and her father inside. The father tells me I cannot make her laugh, so I can't have her. For some reason I felt really ashamed after the dream. Apparently because I 'couldn't make her laugh'.

[think green]

Okay, I'm feeling your pain here. Last week, you tore off your last (oops, I mean, left) testicle and this week you're being rejected because you can't make a young woman laugh. Something is definately up. I think these two dreams might be related. It could be sexual, but I am inclined to think not. There is something you're not facing. I am inclined to think that both the left testicle and the girl represent a side of yourself that is not getting your attention or maybe even respect. Actually, having torn off the left testicle, it would leave you no choice except to give the right one some attention. (I am so amused right now.) But this truly seems like pretty deep stuff: anger and shame. Generally, in both dreams, you seem to be deeply disappointed in yourself for something. In last week's dream, you punish yourself with a partial castration. Here, you have someone else's father do it for you. He takes away your power, not you. Could the father in this dream be a stand-in for your own father or some other male in an authority position who is currently having an impact on your life AND standing between you and your goals? OR could you be that male authority, you know, stoic control, something like that? I wish you could remember what preceded the event in last week's dream. This is a complete shot in the dark: do you tend more to be rather coldly analytical? Can't make her laugh. (You're making me laugh!) If these had been my dreams. . . (First, I would have been quite suprized to have testicles to begin with.) I, this is me, not you, okay, would have thought I am neglecting the artistic side of myself. Or felt great disappointment in myself for not achieving right-brained goals. (Right brained. Right testicle. What's the difference? Guys think with their d*cks anyway right? No, really, though, both are souces of power. One is sexual. One is intellectual.) Definately a sense of disappointment in yourself, I think. Lighten up?

[Merlock]

Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow; Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow![/b] That party chasing you wasn't by chance on horses and clad in black robes and armor?

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

Originally posted by think green But this truly seems like pretty deep stuff: anger and shame. *Generally, in both dreams, you seem to be deeply disappointed in yourself for something. *In last week's dream, you punish yourself with a partial castration. *Here, you have someone else's father do it for you. *He takes away your power, not you. *Could the father in this dream be a stand-in for your own father or some other male in an authority position who is currently having an impact on your life AND standing between you and your goals? *OR could you be that male authority, you know, stoic control, something like that? *I wish you could remember what preceded the event in last week's dream. This is a complete shot in the dark: do you tend more to be rather coldly analytical? *Can't make her laugh. *(You're making me laugh!) *If these had been my dreams. . . *(First, I would have been quite suprized to have testicles to begin with.) *I, this is me, not you, okay, would have thought I am neglecting the artistic side of myself. *Or felt great disappointment in myself for not achieving right-brained goals. *(Right brained. *Right testicle. *What's the difference? *Guys think with their d*cks anyway right? *No, really, though, both are souces of power. *One is sexual. *One is intellectual.) Definately a sense of disappointment in yourself, I think. *Lighten up? Perhaps the Father is the representation of my concious self telling me I need to lighten up in order to get in touch with my representation of the unconcious anima (Jungian terminology here)... Yeah, I can be pretty analytical, but I'm a pretty kind and easy-going guy at the same time however. Gah, well, maybe the answer will come to me in my dreams...

[Inspirer]

The forest is outside society. The people chasing you are personal problems. The cliff is a sudden loss you almost took. The finding of the house is the finding of yourself. The father & daughter, who knows! But they are parts of you. Tyranny comes in uniforms? No it doesn't!

[think green]

Yeah, I know Anima. I know Jung. This feminine/masculine stuff kind of annoys me, being female, I guess, because it seems like all the weaker qualities are deemed female. That is, I guess, why I chose to think more of right brained/left. Archetypal dream. Why,I wonder? Anyway, this stuff is interesting to me. Good luck.

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

Why would you think that feminine qualities are any weaker than masculine qualities? They both equally have a great effect on the mind. Repress one and the other overcompensates, yin/yang. Maybe it appears that way to you I suppose because inherently maybe the masculine was particularly threatening in your past and so thus you carry the perception that all feminine qualities are judged weakly by the aggresive dominant archetype? Anyways, the left/right psychology seems just as if not more important than Jungian psychology simply due to the Biology of the mind. PS: And tyranny does come in a uniform, the more we are fixed in a box, locked within a set pattern of thoughts and actions, the less we are ourselves and the more we are merged into the masses. The Germans thought they were free in 1939.

[Inspirer]

I can't disagree with your point. I'll just say that tyranny depends on order, but neither order nor tragedy depend on tyranny.

[think green]

Berserk, you seem like a nice guy, I don't know why. That green face strikes me as Nordic for some reason. Actually, it was the women in my family who damned near killed me (out of jealousy) and the males who were the ones I wanted to spend the most time with (maybe 'cuz they weren't trying to kill me). Weak men make assumptions about women. (not taking about you, here.) Women should be submissive; women are just help-mates. All of Christianity is based on the idea that women are inferiors. It is difficult for women not to see themselves as inferiors--society seems to want to tell them that they are. I think there are a lot of weak men who are threatened by women. I don't know. I stay away from that kind of men--yet the stereotypes persist. Women are naturally dumber than men which is BS, but it makes men feel better about themselves to think that way. I've never really understood what masculinity and feminity were about frankly--which never bothered my male friends in the last. The terms strike me as stereotypes. I've been told I am very feminine, but I am from a rough and tumble family--so lots of guys look like wussies to me! You need to hear this? I could cry over the right tv commerical. I am sensitive. Is that what feminine is? Maybe this is a new thread?

[imported_Berserk_Exodus]

Berserk, you seem like a nice guy, I don't know why. *That green face strikes me as Nordic for some reason. *Actually, it was the women in my family who damned near killed me (out of jealousy) and the males who were the ones I wanted to spend the most time with (maybe 'cuz they weren't trying to kill me).[/b] Haha, then I got it backwards I guess. That's what I get for trying to enact assumptive psychoanalysis... : ) You're close, go down a few European countries and you're on the right track (German-Irish). Weak men make assumptions about women. *(not taking about you, here.) *Women should be submissive; women are just help-mates. *All of Christianity is based on the idea that women are inferiors. *It is difficult for women not to see themselves as inferiors--society seems to want to tell them that they are. *I think there are a lot of weak men who are threatened by women. *I don't know. *I stay away from that kind of men--yet the stereotypes persist. *Women are naturally dumber than men which is BS, but it makes men feel better about themselves to think that way.[/b] I agree entirely. I believe that most of the stereotypes are simply perpetuated by cultural values than anything. Those weak men you're talking about... I would only be classified as such in on respect: threatened by women I'm attracted to, but that's a given... I'm just a 17 year old kid, I still have some work to do on my self-perception. Which would probably explain the dream above ^. I've never really understood what masculinity and feminity were about frankly--which never bothered my male friends in the last. *The terms strike me as stereotypes. *I've been told I am very feminine, but I am from a rough and tumble family--so lots of guys look like wussies to me![/b] Although, I have to say that masculinity and feminity have their place, especially in interpersonal attraction --- Attraction being the psychological marriage between that anima/animus I was talking about. When you come down to the fundamentals of what we are as human beings it's one of the least controllable and least important defining factors of being a person that I can think of. You need to hear this? *I could cry over the right tv commerical. *I am sensitive. *Is that what feminine is? Maybe this is a new thread? * [/b] I don't really think so, I cry at the right movie or song, because it is just really strikes me parallel to what I'm feeling at the time... Emotions shouldn't be nearly as restrained as they are among men, and vice versa women should not allow their logical capacities to be overtaken by fluctuating emotions. All about keeping that balance you know.

[think green]

Yeah, veering entirely from your dream now. I know this should be a new thread. I agree about men withholding their emotions. Not sooooo long ago, I read a published theory of how modern society has affected boys. It used to be that the boys went out with the fathers when they were old enough--to hunt or fish or farm, etc. But times changed. Boys stayed at home with their mothers until they went off to school and their fathers went off to work. With no real experience observing and participating with men, boys, by default, came to understand masculinity as everything that women were not. Masculinity became a negation, even a hatred of the feminine and so, of the the female. If you want to be a man, be everything a women is not. It's a nice theory. I am not sure any culture has ever been particularly healthy or that other cultures do not automatically regard women as weak and inferior. Or that there has every been a culture where women were equal enough in the power structure for feminity to be defined/understood realistically. You're intimidated by the women who you find attractive. You're only 17. Well, I'm old enough to be the mother of your mother's son. You know, I am still intimidated by men who I find attractive. It's just one of those things. But it never stopped me from testing the water: too hot; too cold. Sometimes, you think people are going to be really interesting and they are boring as hell. Anyway . . . oh man, this dream of yours has turned into quite a thread.