nightmares and other significant dreams

[spairearhrke]

I have been having a lot of nightmares lately and this is my next step in trying to conquer them. Not all will be public because some have a very private thread to them, but most will because i need the advice and imput of other people in trying to figure these dreams out. As far as lucidity goes I am usually aware at some point in the dream that I am dreaming and that usually is my exit point (what causes me to wake up). When i am ENJOYING my dreams i usually can controll them at least once in while probably about once every two to three weeks or so, but these are usually for short periods of time, but when i do control them it is very controlled (i can fly etc.) A little bit of background about me: I am a full time student, wife and mom of an almost two year old, I was very dream attuned when i was a child, I had my greatgrandmother say goodbye to me in a dream on the night that she died, and i commonly have here in my dreams now and she plays a very guidance/stronghold role. I also had a premonition dream about a fire and shortly after my grandmother's (other side of the family) kitchen caught on fire. So now on to the show. I will be posting my most recent dream shortly and this one will be public so please help me out if you can.

[spairearhrke]

Basically two reasons why this one freaked me out really bad (besides that fact that it was extremely graphic) 1. I couldn't wake up….I was aware that I was dreaming but I couldn’t escape it so i (in my dream) closed my eyes tightly and started singing to myself so that i couldn't here the screams of the girl and 2. i didn't wake up until i saw the mother of the girl being tortured laying on a bed and then it ran through my head again that i was in fact in bed and that i was dreaming and this time i forced myslef to wake up...the reason why this bothers me is because i saw a boy who was about 10 or 12 get killed in bed and i didn't conclude that i was sleeping (even though he was my son) it was until I saw the mother of the child in bed (myself) sleeping that i was able to say i am in bed and this time I escaped. Actually there are three things when i woke up my eyes hurt like hell and my throat was horse as if i had been at a hockey game screaming all night but that doesn't really make sense unless i tell you the dream..... Okay the earliest thing that i remember in the dream was that a woman was trying to escape from somewhere with her daughter and she was almost free but she was just a little bit ahead of her daughter and when she turned around they had her daughter it was another woman that had the daughter, a very proper english lady (at least that is what i am assuming she may hav been from anywhere over in that area england ireland scotland or wales) then they started asking the woman questions that she didn't know the answer too because the person in question thought that it was best that she didn't know because then she couldn't tell anyone but they didn't believe that she didn't' know so they started torturing the girl… i don't remember exactly what they did to the girl (thank god) except that they kept strangling her just shy of the point of no return and then bringing her back.They were forcing the mother to watch her daughter get tortured so the mother started literally trying to claw her own eyes out because she couldn't watch anymore....i saw a visual closeup of this mothers bloody eyes that were running like she was crying but it was blood that is the first time that i realized i was dreaming, i was trying to escape the images of this little girl getting tortured and i couldn't i just couldn't wake up so i, in my dream, (i was aware that i was dreaming and that i couldn't wake up) so i closed my eyes very tightly and started singing to myself but i could still here the muffled screams of the girl over my singing so i say louder eventually to the point that i was screaming and then in my dream i realized that i wasn't there with the girl and the woman i was with pierre (my husband) in an apartment and he was telling me that we had received a noise complaint because of me then and i was back in the dream to watch more torture of this little girl (she was probably about 5 or so) and then it switched to my son (or a boy that i am assuming was my son) getting killed in bed by having someting dropped on him that was really heavy through a skylight above his bed that was there because he loved to look at the stars at night and then it was back to the girl again for a while and then i saw the woman (myself) lying in bed (i was outside of my body watching myself sleep--it was really bizarre)and i once again said to myself, i am dreaming look there i am lying in bed i am sleeping now wake up.....and i did but my eyes hurt like crazy and my throat was parched and i could barelly talk, actually it is still really sore. All of this happened and i was asleep only about two hours which is also kinda bizarre in itself because i usually don't dream like this until around 5 in the morning And thats it...sorry for the long post.

[Leo Volont]

Dear Spairearhrke Sometimes, indeed, much of the time, it is not so much of importance whether we clinically understand our dreams, as whether we respond well to the demands of the dreams while they occur. do you think you were really intended to hide your head and sing to yourself to drown out the cries of tortured pain? Think about it. Would it might have been better had you interceded and helped? I can see your concern for your own safety, but, remember, these are dreams. Nothing can happen to you. Injuries sustained in dreams are not permanent, and one can only die very temporarily (no one ever dies for longer than about 20 seconds, if you can manage to stay asleep long enough to come back to life after a dream death). You may wonder what you could do. Surprisingly, all a dreamer really needs to do is put up the Hands -- to raise a hand and face it palm out is a very strong weapon -- not for murder but as a means of transmuting and transforming negative situations into more positive situations. Anyway, you should stop seeing your own behavior and responses in your dreams as fixed elements of your dreams. You have free will. You can make choices. Indeed, the most important contribution Lucidity can make is not in rendering us more Control, as much as that is ballyhooed, but rather in allowing us to make more informed choices while in our dreams. If one can make the proper choices while in dreams -- choices made at the Subconscious Level, then this is what truly can bring the most benefit to us from our Dreams, that we can foster character growth and transformation from the deepest layers of our Mind, instigating change not only on the surface, but from deep inside ourselves.

[spairearhrke]

Yes, I understand your point but you have to understand that i was bound, I couldn't move, I was lucid but yet i had no control. So to raise my hand was physically imposible. I also tried calling on Christ which was something that I didn't mention because of the personal aspect of it and the fact that many people don't believe the way that I do. And the lady laughed, in my face. So what would you do in that situation then?

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by spairearhrke Yes, I understand your point but you have to understand that i was bound, I couldn't move, I was lucid but yet i had no control. So to raise my hand was physically imposible. I also tried calling on Christ which was something that I didn't mention because of the personal aspect of it and the fact that many people don't believe the way that I do. And the lady laughed, in my face. * So what would you do in that situation then? Hmmmmmm. That is disturbing. But, then again, sometimes I do believe that Paulist Christianity has largely distorted the True Role of Christ in the Heavenly Scheme of Things. After all, what really happened was that the World had taken a Messiah from God and murdered Him. Paul decided to make the best of a bad bargain out of this catastrophy by asserting that it had been an intentional sacrifice that had been intended all along. But we only have Paul's word for that. When simply looking at the Situation as it occurred, it would be more reasonable to suppose that Christ would rather harbor a great deal of resentment against Humanity. So, lets suppose that the Lady Torturer is some aspect of the Mother of Christ, an Image that has occurred repeatedly throughout many Mythological and Ancient Religious Traditions, and, with the memory of Humanity having tortured and killed Her Son still fresh in Her Memory, what could be more reasonable than that She would laugh in derision of any Human Being begging for Mercy from the same Christ they had willfully murdered. It would just seem too damned ironic to Her, wouldn't it? And yet, as a follower of all the News regarding Divine Apparitions of Our Lady and assorted Goddess Figures, it does seem a bit out of Character to be so irregardless of Mercy. But, then again, I am also conscious of the unfortunate fact that this Spiritual Generation that now presides seems to be very conscious of Public Image, and would Edit even God Himself in order to maintain the most upbeat of messages. I only have to recall the experience of one of the 20th Centuries great spritual leaders, Swami Vivekananda, who, in his last years, seemed to be obsessed with the Goddess Kali -- not the nicest of Goddess Aspects. Goddess of Death who wore a necklace of skulls. Anyway, all of this hardly answers regarding your very serious problem in these dreams. But, if you are going to resort to Prayer, then you should focus on appropriate prayers. I've long been of the belief that regarding Christ's Murder as the source of Grace and the Absolution of Sins is the Very Doctrine of the Antichrist. How can Murdering the Messiah be considered as an excuse for getting away with Free Sin? So, if you wish to Pray, then you should first ask pardon for any part your Ancestors had in the Murder of Christ, and that you would rather render Glory to the Messiah, and not Suffering. Humanity is being made to Suffer because they made the Messiah Suffer. If only we would all renouce the Doctrine of Salvation through the Suffering of Christ (a doctrine from the Anitchrist) then the World would then become fit and ready for the Second Coming. While the World still believes in Salvation by Divine Death, it would simply be unsafe for Christ to Come Again. People might be tempted to kill Him again in order to perhaps be twice as saved. So, perhaps when you actively take side against those who would Murder Christ and profit from His Death, then perhaps you won't be laughed at when you beg Mercy in His Name. But, yes, in the Spiritual World, the Politics of Christ may be somewhat confused. But I have had luck with the "Hail Mary" Prayer, and others have had luck with the "Our Father" Prayer. Perhaps you could try one of those. Indeed, these dreams sound so troublesome, I'll ask some of my Patron Angels if they might not render you some assistance in breaking out of your impasse.

[spairearhrke]

Okay that is very interesting. It kinda makes sense to a point, I am in a cross roads between religions so to speak. I was a devout Christian and recently i have renounced that and have started to follow a Wicca type religion. I have not completely converted so i have blended if you will the two religions to a point. I feel bad using that term because it makes is sound like a pick and choose your own religion. which is not what i am attemping to do. Lets see if i can explain this a little bit more fully, I believe that Adam and Eve and Jesus and Mary were archtypes if you will of the God (in the air that we breathe and the sustainability of life) and Goddess (in our love for each other and for mother nature) together they make The ALL or THE ONE and that a portion of each of them (our ying and yang) resides in each of us thus we are each living up to our own divine potential. There are a few these though that i have not quite full explored....a female counterpart of what we regard as "satan". If there is a female counterpart of God then it seems resonable that there would be a female counterpart of satan. If so could she represent envy possibly. I and my friend have come to regard Saran no necessarily as a person more of an embodiment of pride or EGO and so maybe the female counterpart of Satan as envy or maybe lust....just throwing ideas out there really.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by spairearhrke Okay that is very interesting. It kinda makes sense to a point, I am in a cross roads between religions so to speak. I was a devout Christian and recently i have renounced that and have started to follow a Wicca type religion. I have not completely converted so i have blended if you will the two religions to a point. I feel bad using that term because it makes is sound like a pick and choose your own religion. which is not what i am attemping to do. Lets see if i can explain this a little bit more fully, I believe that Adam and Eve and Jesus and Mary were archtypes if you will of the God (in the air that we breathe and the sustainability of life) and Goddess (in our love for each other and for mother nature) together they make The ALL or THE ONE and that a portion of each of them (our ying and yang) resides in each of us thus we are each living up to our own divine potential. * There are a few these though that i have not quite full explored....a female counterpart of what we regard as \"satan\". If there is a female counterpart of God then it seems resonable that there would be a female counterpart of satan. If so could she represent envy possibly. I and my friend have come to regard Saran no necessarily as a person more of an embodiment of pride or EGO and so maybe the female counterpart of Satan as envy or maybe lust....just throwing ideas out there really. Okay, well good. As a Wiccan you should especially be sensitive to the mistakes and errors of Paulist Christianity. To a Wiccan, Mary is a Goddess, and Christ is a Spiritual Status. They do not cease to exist simply because you move over Religions. Only their Significance changes, as each Religion has a different emphasis while maintaining the Same Truths. Oh, yes, and perhaps I should tell you. At one time I was not disposed so entirely to think well of the Wiccans, but it was my Angels who quite insisted that I include the Wiccans in with the Good Guys, that is, among the Higher Religions of the World. So, along with the Sufis, the Zoroastrians, the Yogins and Meditators and some of the Hindu and Mahayana Buddhist Sects, we can include the Wiccans. As opinionated as I am, after my Angels stepped in to defend YOU, then it was quite incumbant upon myself to reevaluate my Doctrines until you all quite fit in perfectly. I found that I could not take in the Wiccan unless I would reject and somewhat Demonize Paul, and then, guess what.... the Angels came in and Congratulated me on my discernment, telling me that the Days of the Church of Paul were numbered. The Angels have rewards for those who give up Error and actively seek the Truth, even if 95% of the Christian Community are quite appalled that I have attacked the one who they consider their Foremost Apostle. But when we consider the Prophecy of Simeon -- that Christ would be contradicted, and then when we consider the 3 Prophecies of Christ -- that there would be Weeds in the Field of Wheat, that a Wolf would come in Sheeps Clothing, and that there would be a Wide Way of Destruction, then it all simply becomes so plain and so clear that Paul was the Antichrist. Certainly the Wiccans can see that it was something of a Crime Against True Religion to Murder the Son of the Manifest Goddess. It certainly rather set Humanity back for an Age. What we all need to do is repent and atone for how Humanity treated this Son of The Goddess Spiritual King To Be. Once we become aware of our Mistake and acknowledge the Error and repent, then the sooner we will all be given a Second Chance.