[18:52] <@Serenity> Alrighty, so how did you guys get on with tutorial #2?
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[18:52] <@Serenity> hey zebrah
[18:52] <zebrah> hey
[18:52] <ThatSwedishDude> bah
[18:52] <ThatSwedishDude> I read it :)
[18:52] <Chessica> The tutorial was very good! Enjoyed it very much. :)
[18:53] <@Serenity> how are you feeling about dream signs, recall, etc
[18:53] <@Serenity> i find that recall tends to be the biggest thing for people :)
[18:53] <@Serenity> so how are you feeling about your own recall, right now?
[18:53] <Chessica> My recall is allmost to good... :)
[18:53] <ThatSwedishDude> my recall is up and down..
[18:53] <ThatSwedishDude> but at least two a night
[18:54] <@Serenity> lol chessica yeah :) your entries look like mine :D
[18:54] <Oothoon> It varies, some nights I remeber all others nothing.
[18:54] <ThatSwedishDude> I don't really like dreamsigns for some reason
[18:54] <ThatSwedishDude> I know what to look for
[18:54] <ThatSwedishDude> I mean, things that are weird inthe same way in almost every dream
[18:54] <ThatSwedishDude> but it's so hard to like... make yourself look for it
[18:55] <@Serenity> dream signs are very much up to the user... not to shoot myself in the foot, but i don't use them either... *coughs*
[18:55] <@Serenity> BUT! they're still helpful
[18:55] <ThatSwedishDude> hehe
[18:55] <Chessica> I'm wondering how many dreamsigns one should record. Can one have too many dream signs?
[18:55] <@Serenity> especially if say, you dream about school a lot, right?
[18:55] <ThatSwedishDude> I usually just get lucid like that, I never see something, and goes: "Hmm that is strange, perhaps I'm dreaming?"
[18:55] <ThatSwedishDude> yeah
[18:55] <@Serenity> you can then remind yourself during the day "next time i'm in school, i should think about dreaming and do a reality check"
[18:56] <ThatSwedishDude> oh, well I use to dream alot about school, but I finished it 4 years ago lol
[18:56] <@Serenity> Chessica, i dunno, i think i have over 100 dream signs
[18:56] <Oothoon> Some signs are only found in dreams. Like jumping a great height.
[18:56] <@Serenity> but some things appear more often than others
[18:56] <Chessica> good point, Oothoon!
[18:56] <@Serenity> so i find it handy to keep a mental list of about 10 things that are current
[18:57] <@Serenity> right Oothoon :)
[18:57] <@Serenity> can you guys think of some other examples of things that only happen in dreams?
[18:57] <ThatSwedishDude> I'm gonna try 200mg of b6 tonight
[18:57] <@Serenity> matte, 100mg should be enough, actually
[18:57] <ThatSwedishDude> things morphing
[18:57] <@Serenity> the body will only absorb what it needs
[18:57] <ThatSwedishDude> ok
[18:58] <Chessica> Going to a place far away in a blink of an eye...
[18:58] <ThatSwedishDude> flying
[18:58] <@Serenity> and if you hit it with a lot all at once, you'll actually waste a lot of it by peeing the vitamin out, cos we can only absorb so much at a time
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[18:59] <ThatSwedishDude> yeah I knew that, but I thought that only applied to certain types of vitamins, I reckoned these could be absorbed
[18:59] <ThatSwedishDude> since they said 50-250mg
[18:59] <ThatSwedishDude> but thanks for telling me :) saved me a dose then hehe
[18:59] <Chessica> Hi, R00.. :)
[18:59] <R00> helloo!
[18:59] <@Serenity> also, things like pinching your nose and being able to breathe...
[18:59] <ThatSwedishDude> I've got the best dreamsign!
[18:59] <@Serenity> or... looking at your hands and they look all wonky
[19:00] <@Serenity> what is it?
[19:00] <ThatSwedishDude> I have wrist injuries, and they hurt pretty much all day long
[19:00] <ThatSwedishDude> and they dont hurt in my dreams
[19:00] <ThatSwedishDude> so when I don't feel pain, I can just RC
[19:00] <ThatSwedishDude> should work right?
[19:00] <@Serenity> awesome, and yes, sort of :)
[19:00] <Chessica> And like Oothoon said on the last chat.. Holding your hand in front of your eyes and being able to see through it.
[19:00] <@Serenity> i'll tell you what happened with me :)
[19:00] <@Serenity> i had one just like it... i have an achy back because i'm old
[19:01] <@Serenity> and my DS was my back... if it didn't ache, i was dreaming
[19:01] <@Serenity> just a few nights ago, i used that RC and my back was searing... and i rarely ever feel pain in dreams
[19:01] <@Serenity> but i did, so i concluded i was awake :(
[19:01] <ThatSwedishDude> ah cool!
[19:01] <ThatSwedishDude> will try to think of that
[19:02] <@Serenity> sometimes, if you expect something to be there (like pain) your dream will put it there because you expect it
[19:02] <@Serenity> which reminds me to tell you.... ALWAYS back your RC's up
[19:02] <@Serenity> do two at least
[19:02] <ThatSwedishDude> I count fingers and pinch nose
[19:03] <Oothoon> I have felt pain on a couple of occations. It has always woken me up.
[19:03] <@Serenity> i look at my hands, pinch my nose and check what i'm wearing
[19:03] <@Serenity> Oothoon, me too... or the anticipation for something to hurt will wake me up
[19:04] <@Serenity> oh! that reminds me
[19:04] <Chessica> A question about dream journals; Should I write down every little detail I remember, or just sum up the dreams?
[19:04] <@Serenity> okay question first :)
[19:04] <@Serenity> Chess, i prefer many details
[19:04] <@Serenity> your recall is really good, so i imagine it feels really tedious, right?
[19:04] <Chessica> yeah......
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[19:05] <R00> Yeah same I havent typed yesterdays up for that reason
[19:05] <@Serenity> it's entirely up to you... if you would prefer to write the cliffnotes version, but don't write any less than something that would hurt your recall, if that makes sense
[19:05] <newtz1995> how late am i :/
[19:05] <@Serenity> about 16 minutes
[19:06] <newtz1995> ouch sorry
[19:06] <@Serenity> it's cool :)
[19:06] <Chessica> better late than never... :)
[19:06] <ThatSwedishDude> Serenity: what if you think of the details while writing down the main story line?
[19:06] <newtz1995> have imissed important stuff?
[19:06] <@Serenity> hang on a sec
[19:08] <@Serenity> matte.... sometimes what i do is i have another word document open (i do all my journaling on the computer) and i write them down on the side, then go back to the story
[19:08] <@Serenity> not much, newt
[19:08] <ThatSwedishDude> ah ok
[19:08] <@Serenity> (i'm at work, so sometimes i might be slow at answering, cos i have to answer the phone - bear with me)
[19:09] <@Serenity> for me, often the details work with the story very well
[19:09] <R00> where are you working serenity?
[19:09] <@Serenity> like describing the setting is setting the scene
[19:09] <R00> if you don't mind me asking..
[19:09] <ThatSwedishDude> I'll try that from now on, lotsa details
[19:09] <@Serenity> i work for a security dispatch centre
[19:09] <R00> cool
[19:09] <@Serenity> i find that the more details = more recall
[19:09] <R00> so don't mess with her!
[19:09] <ThatSwedishDude> oh dang my DJ entries are gonna be a mile long if I describe everything haha
[19:10] <@Serenity> so far, my best is 7 dreams a night
[19:10] <Oothoon> I have a small voice recorder that I don't use like I should. I think you have to work to make it a habbit then you don't feel right if you don't record something.
[19:10] <@Serenity> but i've seen others do 10-20 dreams
[19:10] <ThatSwedishDude> takes around an hour to write a few dreams for me as it is, I want it to be in correct english hah
[19:10] <Chessica> Is it important to have the correct order when I record my dreams?
[19:10] <ThatSwedishDude> wow 20 dreams
[19:10] <R00> yeah even a voice recorder doesn't make it easy.. I use one.. you are right about developing the habit
[19:10] <@Serenity> i don't worry about the order until i'm ready to publish my stuff
[19:11] <@Serenity> usually, i just record things as I recall them, and then i make sense of it after
[19:11] <@Serenity> dream journal, like anything else becomes easier the more you do it
[19:11] <@Serenity> but just remember that lucid dreaming, in itself, is a discipline
[19:12] <@Serenity> and it takes discipline to master
[19:12] <@Serenity> that might help motivate some of you :)
[19:12] <R00> I'm wondering about those rem dreamers tbh
[19:12] <@Serenity> rem dreamers! alrighty :)
[19:12] <@Serenity> well, they're hella expensive :P
[19:12] <R00> lol.. im lazy
[19:12] <@Serenity> but what they do is monitor your eye movements
[19:12] <R00> 145 euro
[19:12] <Chessica> what's rem dreamers?
[19:13] <@Serenity> it detects when you're in REM sleep
[19:13] <Chessica> ok
[19:13] <@Serenity> once it detects it, it flashes red lights in your eyes
[19:13] <R00> Chess:
REM-Dreamer - Lucid Dream Induction Device*
[19:13] <@Serenity> that will seep into your dreams
[19:13] <ThatSwedishDude> shouldn't you just be able to figure out your REM pattern and set an alarm clock to ring for a second or so?
[19:13] <@Serenity> you might see it manifest as a blinking red traffic light, though
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[19:13] <Chessica> lol, traffic light... :)
[19:14] <@Serenity> you can figure out your REM schedule fairly easily
[19:14] <@Serenity> remember that typically, we dream in 90 minute cycles
[19:14] <ThatSwedishDude> it's cool how fast the sound of an alarmclock gets a meaning in a dream
[19:14] <R00> Raven put out a thing on them as well:
http://www.dreamviews.com/f85/sd-1-s...theory-103618/
[19:14] <@Serenity> every night, 90 minutes, ending with REM
[19:14] <R00> what about afternoon naps?
[19:15] <@Serenity> after noon naps are slightly different
[19:15] <R00> I seem to dream immediately upon sleeping
[19:15] <ThatSwedishDude> doesn't the first rem come after a few hours? then 90 minutes, then it shortens
[19:15] <@Serenity> i believe because we don't produce melatonin during the day, combined with daylight, we skip deep sleep
[19:15] <R00> I'll dream all through a 30 or 60 min nap it would seem
[19:15] <@Serenity> so in afternoon naps you go straight from awake to REM
[19:15] <Chessica> If you are very tired rem can come imidiately after going to sleep...
[19:15] <@Serenity> which is why people like WILD naps so much in the day
[19:15] <R00> ok cool I didn't know that
[19:16] <@Serenity> the sleep cycle in itself is very awesome
[19:16] <Oothoon> Yes, it seems that timing is very important. If you to a WILD when your ready for REM the transition can happen quickly.
[19:16] <@Serenity> brb
[19:16] <@Serenity> phone....
[19:18] <R00> yeah ive got an ebook on sleep cycles which has been a very interesting read
[19:18] <R00> it does say that we naturally dip in the afternoon which is why naps are important because they re-engergize you for the night
[19:18] <Oothoon> Which boot is that R00?
[19:18] <R00> something to do with melatonin?
[19:18] <@Serenity> a lot of people tend to like interrupting REM during their WBTB because of that theory, Ooth
[19:19] <R00> one sec
[19:19] <@Serenity> i don't think it's melatonin
[19:19] <@Serenity> in a natural circadian cycle, we start producing melatonin around 9pm
[19:19] <@Serenity> and we stop producing it around 3am
[19:20] <R00> the rythm corespods with melatonin levels
[19:20] <@Serenity> right...
[19:20] <@Serenity> let me check up on that, i don't remember the thing about naps :P
[19:21] <ThatSwedishDude> so, between 9 and 3 is the best time to dream then?
[19:21] <Chessica> I have a chronic sleep cycle disorder, and my melatonin production is not quite right. It skips a few hours ahead each day... :(
[19:21] <R00> do you get plently of sun in the day?
[19:21] <Chessica> Yes, plenty. I'm a gardener. :)
[19:22] <@Serenity> it probably is because melatonin levels are low, but i'm not seeing the answer straight away here
[19:23] <@Serenity> no matte.... melatonin suppresses dreaming
[19:23] <ThatSwedishDude> oh
[19:23] <@Serenity> that's why we say don't take melatonin during your WBTB
[19:23] <Chessica> Maybe thats why I dream so vividly...
[19:23] <@Serenity> and to use something like L-theanine if you need a sleep aid
[19:24] <ThatSwedishDude> so the reason I dream ALOT when I've had 9+ hours of sleep, is just because my REM periods are frequent then
[19:24] <@Serenity> but there's a trick: if you take a 3mg melatonin 1 hour before sleep, you will cause a nice REM-rebound
[19:24] <ThatSwedishDude> what if I went to bed like 10 on the evening, and slept to 10 in the morning, would that give me more dreams than from 2 to 2?
[19:24] <@Serenity> which leads to longer, vivid dreams
[19:24] <@Serenity> 12 hours?! daily???
[19:25] <ThatSwedishDude> uhm, usually around 9-10
[19:25] <ThatSwedishDude> I'm home sick :P
[19:25] <Chessica> awww. :)
[19:25] <Oothoon> If I sleep to much I get a headach.
[19:25] <@Serenity> well... usually after 6 hours of sleeping, so in your case from 4am-10am, you'll start getting fantastic dreaming periods
[19:26] <@Serenity> if you're doing a 2-2... then 8am-2pm
[19:26] <@Serenity> makes sense?
[19:26] <Chessica> that is interresting information, Serenity!
[19:26] <newtz1995> I usually go from 11-6:30 and i find that that's a perfect amount of time to catch dreams when i wae up
[19:26] <ThatSwedishDude> yup :)
[19:26] <@Serenity> the reason being is... we need a certain amount of deep sleep to recuperate
[19:27] <@Serenity> deep sleep generally has no dreaming
[19:27] <@Serenity> (it can, but they are harder to remember)
[19:27] <@Serenity> as the night goes on, deep sleep gets shorter, and REM gets longer
[19:27] <@Serenity> and they have this tug of war each 90 minute cycle
[19:28] <@Serenity> after 8 hours of sleep, your chances of having a lucid dream increase by about 50%
[19:28] <@Serenity> this is because REM is so long at this point
[19:28] <ThatSwedishDude> what about after 10? haha
[19:28] <@Serenity> your dreams are average over an hour in length at this point
[19:28] <@Serenity> i don't know, specifically matte :P
[19:28] <ThatSwedishDude> my gf goes up at 9, leaves 9.30 I fall back asleep for a few hours, that's when I dream alot
[19:28] <Oothoon> Dreaming is a very creative process. You can't expect a great dream every night.
[19:29] <@Serenity> i'd hazard a guess that after 10-12 hours of sleep, slow wave sleep probably only lasts about 5 minutes :P
[19:29] <ThatSwedishDude> lol
[19:29] <ThatSwedishDude> cool
[19:29] <@Serenity> this is true, Ooth
[19:29] <newtz1995> i find it very hard to sleep over 8 hours unless im massively tired
[19:29] <ThatSwedishDude> I'll try that out after a REM rebound day, 12+ hours of sleep
[19:30] <ThatSwedishDude> and tell u what happens
[19:30] <@Serenity> i actually sleep about 10 hours most days, but i also switch between days and night shifts every week :(
[19:30] <@Serenity> i do two night shifts a week... and i also do lengthy WBTB's
[19:30] <Chessica> I sleep 10 hours a day, like 'swedish' do.. :)
[19:30] <@Serenity> about 1 hour in length
[19:31] <ThatSwedishDude> haha
[19:31] <@Serenity> questions? comments? wonderments?
[19:31] <ThatSwedishDude> 1 hour of being awake?
[19:31] <@Serenity> yep
[19:31] <ThatSwedishDude> ah
[19:31] <R00> ok yep you are right re the sleeping rhythms serenity just did some research.. a great ebook is "how to sleep less and have more energy than you ever had before"
[19:31] <ThatSwedishDude> is it more effective than just 30 minutes for u?
[19:31] <R00> torrent:
How To Sleep Less and Have More Energy Than You Ever Had Before pdf Torrent Download
[19:31] <@Serenity> after being awake for an hour it raises the Ach levels in your brain
[19:31] <R00> direct download:
[HF]Powerful Sleep - How to Sleep Less and Have More Energy - Rapidshare, Megaupload, Hotfile
[19:32] <@Serenity> makes it easier for you to recognize you're dreaming when you go back to sleep
[19:32] <@Serenity> however... last night, i got lucid *bows*
[19:33] <@Serenity> my WBTB was maybe 15 mins long
[19:33] <R00> im wondering (since I take afternoon naps) if that would be the best time to try WILDS?
[19:33] <@Serenity> maybe :P
[19:33] <@Serenity> R00, it seems to work well for many people
[19:33] <R00> lol k leave it with me
[19:33] <R00> l
[19:33] <R00> k
[19:33] <@Serenity> i know a lot of people who only do WILDs as naps
[19:33] <@Serenity> you dn'
[19:33] <@Serenity> don't have to worry about passing out from being too sleepy, too :D
[19:34] <ThatSwedishDude> I almost succeeded in doing that a few days ago!
[19:34] <@Serenity> the thing about lucidity and WBTB's is timing :)
[19:34] <ThatSwedishDude> not really tried wild that much
[19:34] <R00> is the idea to stay awake as long as possible so you remain consciousness through the wake to sleep transition
[19:34] <@Serenity> how late into the morning? how long to stay awake?
[19:35] <@Serenity> it's different for everyone
[19:35] <@Serenity> it's alllll trial and error
[19:35] <@Serenity> but... i can take out some of the guesswork
[19:35] <R00> yeah i mean everyone will have their own unqiue methods
[19:35] <@Serenity> 3 hours is too early
[19:35] <@Serenity> 6 hours is too late
[19:35] <@Serenity> (why?)
[19:35] <@Serenity> because most people only sleep 8-9 hours
[19:36] <@Serenity> and if you do your WBTB after 6 hours, it may be too late because you don't have much sleep time left
[19:36] <ThatSwedishDude> ah
[19:36] <@Serenity> HOWEVER, that's really only mostly true if you are using an LDS
[19:36] <@Serenity> (lucid dream supplement(
[19:36] <@Serenity> NEVER use an LDS after 6 hours
[19:36] <ThatSwedishDude> not even b6?
[19:37] <@Serenity> it's a waste of supplement
[19:37] <@Serenity> not even
[19:37] <ThatSwedishDude> ah got it :)
[19:37] <@Serenity> i mean... go ahead, but you've only got 2 sleep cycles left
[19:37] <@Serenity> and they usually take 1 hour to peak
[19:37] <@Serenity> so now you've only got 2 hours left of sleeping
[19:38] <ThatSwedishDude> and the b6 will stay in the system, giving me full effect all night and morning?
[19:38] <@Serenity> not really worth it, imo
[19:38] <ThatSwedishDude> k
[19:38] <@Serenity> yeah, the B6 has a fairly long half-life, i think
[19:38] <@Serenity> and your case will be different than the norm :P
[19:39] <@Serenity> so, people suggest to WBTB around the 5-6 hours of sleeping
[19:39] <@Serenity> in my personal experience, if it's after 6 hours, I won't do a WBTB, but I will try to DEILD
[19:40] <ThatSwedishDude> ah
[19:40] <@Serenity> i'm more successful at DEILDs later in the morning
[19:40] <@Serenity> probably because slow wave sleep is so much shorter at this poiny
[19:40] <@Serenity> point*
[19:40] <@Serenity> and dreams are more vivid
[19:41] <@Serenity> brb - getting my food from the fridge
[19:41] <@Serenity> it's getting cleaned
[19:41] <R00> yeah sure..
[19:41] <R00> ;p
[19:41] <Chessica> lol
[19:42] <Oothoon> I'll have to read up on the DEILD tutorial.
[19:42] <Chessica> mee too..
[19:42] <Chessica> me*
[19:42] <@Serenity> kays :)
[19:42] <@Serenity> back
[19:42] <Chessica> I just want to thank Serenity for the nice comments in our workbooks, it's very helpful and motivating. Must be a lot of work, though, reading all of our workbooks and comment on them. :)
[19:43] <@Serenity> awww thanks :)
[19:43] <@Serenity> i try to comment where i can :)
[19:43] <ThatSwedishDude> Chessica: why don't you write a DJ?
[19:43] <R00> yeah much appreciated
[19:43] <@Serenity> it's actually not that bad... i tend to make a ton of posts as a dream guide, anyways :)
[19:44] <@Serenity> so DEILDs are very interesting
[19:44] <R00> in our dream workbooks?
[19:44] <R00> ;p
[19:44] <ThatSwedishDude> hmm deild.. gonna have to try that sometime
[19:44] <@Serenity> pro-tip... if you wake early from a lucid dream, try to DEILD immediately
[19:44] <@Serenity> phon
[19:44] <@Serenity> phone*
[19:45] <ThatSwedishDude> is it easy to do? I mean how many failures before u got it right Serenity ?
[19:45] <newtz1995> deild is dream exit induced lucid dream right?
[19:46] <@Serenity> catching up :D
[19:46] <@Serenity> ummm.... you won't like this answer matte....
[19:46] <@Serenity> i DEILD naturally :(
[19:46] <ThatSwedishDude> darn!
[19:46] <@Serenity> i didn't know it was a technique before i did it :?
[19:47] <@Serenity> brb :?
[19:47] <Oothoon> Its amazing how easy it is to LD at times and then when you think eveything is right is dosen't happen.
[19:47] <@Serenity> people are booking on for their shifts :P
[19:47] <newtz1995> what is a DEILD?
[19:48] <ThatSwedishDude> I've done it a few times, but never on purpose really
[19:48] <@Serenity> dream exit induced lucid dream
[19:48] <@Serenity> mine are always by accident
[19:48] <@Serenity> okay... here;s the deal about DEILDing mindset
[19:48] <@Serenity> you guys know that feeling where you had an awesome dream, and it gets interrupted by an alarm
[19:48] <ThatSwedishDude> I actually got good dream control, its just that I have trouble getting lucid and staying that way
[19:48] <@Serenity> so you hit the snooze button cos you just want to go back to sleep and dream a little longer?
[19:49] <@Serenity> this is essentially like a DEILD
[19:49] <@Serenity> keep that mentality "Noooo, I don't want to wake up, i just want to dream a little longer"
[19:49] <@Serenity> whenever i fade out from a lucid dream, i usually try to imagine the scene is back around me
[19:49] <newtz1995> ooo, alright
[19:49] <@Serenity> like a daydream
[19:50] <@Serenity> i try to see everything back around me 3D and i remind myself it's a dream
[19:50] <@Serenity> sometimes, it brings the dream back :)
[19:50] <R00> it really does work
[19:50] <@Serenity> and sometimes it won't
[19:50] <@Serenity> usually it does, though :)
[19:51] <R00> mainly with me when I have had a wonderful dream with a girl hehe and I want it to continue
[19:51] <R00> non-sexual
[19:51] <@Serenity> ALSO, i find that a lot of my lucid dreams "end" but they are actually a flase awakening
[19:51] <@Serenity> so ALWAYS do a reality check when you wake up
[19:51] <@Serenity> false* awakening
[19:51] <R00> during a false awakening do you ever get stuck?
[19:51] <@Serenity> i have before
[19:51] <R00> me too
[19:51] <@Serenity> brb - guard visit
[19:52] <R00> I though it was WL and I was paralysed
[19:52] <Chessica> I don't think I've ever had a FA...
[19:52] <R00> its only happened once to me
[19:52] <R00> was pretty trippy
[19:52] <R00> do you have many LDs Chessica?
[19:52] <Chessica> 1
[19:53] <R00> cool thats more than me lol
[19:53] <ThatSwedishDude> I never get FAs
[19:53] <Chessica> got my first the very night I heard about it for the first time...
[19:53] <Chessica> LD's, that is...
[19:53] <R00> oh yeah I think I read that somewhere
[19:53] <@Serenity> i'll tell you about a couple of mine...
[19:53] <R00> mmk
[19:53] <newtz1995> brb
[19:53] <@Serenity> the first FA i ever caught... i woke up and did a nose pinch... thought, "oh, i can breathe, i must not be awake yet" woke up myself up...
[19:54] <@Serenity> *pinch* "That's better... wait... god dammit!"
[19:54] <R00> haha
[19:54] <R00> I was surprised at how realistic the FA was
[19:54] <Oothoon> I'll have a LD about once per month, but can remember many non LDs.
[19:55] <@Serenity> i had one today.... i nose pinched, couldn't breathe... checked my watch and it was 10:10am... my alarm was set for 10:30, so i thought i would doze for 20 minutes
[19:55] <@Serenity> had another dream, woke up...
[19:55] <@Serenity> nose pinch, can't breathe... checked my watch.... 9:52??? what the hell?
[19:55] <@Serenity> nose pinched again... definitely awake
[19:55] <@Serenity> the first one was the false awakening
[19:56] <Chessica> Maybe I have actually had a FA, that clock thing sounds familiar...
[19:56] <@Serenity> i also caution the WILD practitioners against what I like to call the INRALD (i'm not really awake lucid dream)
[19:57] <@Serenity> you know those nights you get where you're tossing and turning and you don't seem to sleep all night?
[19:57] <@Serenity> you could be dreaming that you're awake, tossing and turning
[19:57] <@Serenity> case in point...
[19:57] <@Serenity> I "woke up" from a short dream...
[19:57] <ThatSwedishDude> lol
[19:57] <@Serenity> but my head felt kind of funny
[19:58] <@Serenity> anyone who has been lucid can tell you, your head sometimes feels a little funny
[19:58] <@Serenity> so i wondered, "what if this is a dream right now?"
[19:58] <@Serenity> i got up, out of bed... it felt incredibly real
[19:59] <@Serenity> i had troubles reading my clock
[19:59] <@Serenity> (dream sign)
[19:59] <@Serenity> but i finally made out that it said 4:48am....
[19:59] <@Serenity> so i thought "sweet! i don't get up til 5:30, i'm going back to sleep"
[19:59] <@Serenity> my boyfriend was "awake" in bed, so i talked to him, instead of sleeping
[20:00] <@Serenity> and then my alarm clock woke me up for real :P
[20:00] <Chessica> lol...
[20:00] <@Serenity> INRALDs can happen from WILDing, too
[20:00] <@Serenity> WILDing isn't always just "OMG it;s a dream, lets step into it"
[20:00] <@Serenity> for me, i very rarely experience audio or visual hallucinations
[20:01] <@Serenity> i experience physical ones, though
[20:01] <@Serenity> like the vibrations
[20:01] <@Serenity> i know a guy who is the same as me... he gets the vibrations, and then they stop, and he's still lying on his couch
[20:01] <@Serenity> but guess what?
[20:01] <@Serenity> that was his transition
[20:02] <@Serenity> he's dreaming
[20:02] <ThatSwedishDude> cool
[20:02] <@Serenity> and his dream picked up right where he left off... on the couch, trying to WILD
[20:02] <@Serenity> one might say that's astral projection
[20:02] <@Serenity> and it might well be
[20:02] <ThatSwedishDude> yeah, what's the difference really?
[20:02] <ThatSwedishDude> if u wake up in your bed in both cases
[20:03] <@Serenity> i dunno, really :P
[20:03] <@Serenity> i guess AP is more real world, vs dream world
[20:03] <ThatSwedishDude> ah
[20:03] <@Serenity> as in, if you AP, you should still be experiencing the real world?
[20:03] <@Serenity> *shrugs*
[20:04] <@Serenity> I've never AP'd, so I couldn't even begin to tell you how it's different
[20:04] <Oothoon> I have gotten vibrations a couple of times. I rolled out of bed and walked around. I usually go outside and fly or try to change the dream location.
[20:04] <ThatSwedishDude> ok :P
[20:04] <@Serenity> that;s a classic WILD, oothoon :)
[20:05] <R00> a video I just came across about waking/sleep paralysis and WILDs
YouTube - Waking Sleep Paralysis: The Holy Grail For New Lucid Dreamers & OBEers - Lucidology 101 Part 2/12
[20:05] <@Serenity> so, i've neglected my job as much as possible for the last hour... but i need to take about 10-15 mins break to catch up and grab the chat logs
[20:05] <Chessica> :I have a question about our workbooks.. In the sticky-thread at the top of the workbook forum it says that students are incouraged to comment on each others w.books. Does anybody here mind if I leave a comment in their book every now and then?
[20:05] <@Serenity> but if you want to stick around, i'll stick around for a bit
