Poker 8)

[Neruo]

Who here likes poker? Since I knew it I am really into it. I play Texas Hold'em with a few friends quite often. I also play on internet quite alot (everest-poker), and play with real money. I am keeping quite balanced so that is pretty cool. It is just a great phycological game aswell, just to try to find out what someone is holding, and the bluffing and semi-bluffing ofcourse. And slow-playing and such. Really cool game.

[Jess]

I play limit hold'em online. We should get a DV micro game going! $0.02/0.04 or $0.05/0.10 or something! Who's in??

[badassbob]

I don't know poker rules, but I used to play brag which is pretty similar when I was little with my grandad.

[Jess]

Texas Holdem Poker (its a link) Go learn and lets play!

[jacobo]

learn something other than texas holdem and you'll be fine. it's a good game but if you show up to a dealer calls it game and you only know tex holdem... you'll get your ass handed to you. poker cannot be played online... despite what the announcers on the world poker tour want you to believe.

[Jess]

Poker can't be played online? Interesting.

[Kaniaz]

poker cannot be played online... despite what the announcers on the world poker tour want you to believe[/b] Do you mean in the sense that you're absolutely screwed when it comes to tells and the like? You can't read someone's facial expression over the internet so good. I've wondered that before. I've never played poker in my (short) life, but from what I've read a lot of poker is all to do with the whole psychological mind-reading (else it'd just be an elaborate game of Go Fish or something).

[Jess]

Maybe for No-limit, but if you're playing Limit poker it doesn't really matter that you can't see them, you mainly play it by the numbers. Its a lot more profitable online because you get in more hands per hour and can play several tables at once. The same goes for No-limit too but probably to a lesser extent, I don't know much about it.

[jacobo]

Maybe for No-limit, but if you're playing Limit poker it doesn't really matter that you can't see them, you mainly play it by the numbers. Its a lot more profitable online because you get in more hands per hour and can play several tables at once. The same goes for No-limit too but probably to a lesser extent, I don't know much about it. [/b] limit or no limit... it doesn't matter... you need to read your opponent... and you can't do that online. online poker is a good way to learn the rules and stats... but that's it... 90% of poker is reading your enemy.

[Jess]

Personally, I read opponents by how many hands they play, how often they raise, what they do in certain situations, how often they bluff etc. all of which is possible online. Its a common misconception that poker is all about making outrageous bluffs and calling the bluffs because you discovered your opponent's secret 'tell'. Its simply not. If the pot isn't big enough to lay me the correct odds to call, I'm not going to call with a marginal hand because I think they might be bluffing. I know if I wait I'll get paid off with my better hands. Being able to read your opponent is more important in no-limit because your whole stack might be on the line, the stakes are higher, limit is more a game of patience and discipline. You can play poker online people!! How do you read your enemy jacobo?

[Jess]

This is a graph of how I've played online to date. I haven't left anything out to give an honest portrayal. You can tell when I started to actually learn how to play properly! Note that this is nowhere near enough hands to show a true winrate.

[jacobo]

Personally, I read opponents by how many hands they play, how often they raise, what they do in certain situations, how often they bluff etc. all of which is possible online. Its a common misconception that poker is all about making outrageous bluffs and calling the bluffs because you discovered your opponent's secret 'tell'. Its simply not. If the pot isn't big enough to lay me the correct odds to call, I'm not going to call with a marginal hand because I think they might be bluffing. I know if I wait I'll get paid off with my better hands. Being able to read your opponent is more important in no-limit because your whole stack might be on the line, the stakes are higher, limit is more a game of patience and discipline. You can play poker online people!! How do you read your enemy jacobo? [/b] you can read your opponents mood... is his cell phone ringing... is he experienced... how long does he take to think... does he play with his chips... as oppose to online where for all you know he's 8 years old and pushing buttons... you can't tell if he's thinking about the hand or he got up to get a drink of water... all you see is the seconds ticking away. it's BS. -- it's a good way to learn the game. that's it.

[Jess]

You can read all those things online, apart from the phone ringing, but if you're playing in a B&M cardroom you're not allowed to chat on your phone. You can definitely tell how experienced someone is and how long they take to think, to a certain extent you can tell their mood too. Anyway like I said, poker really isn't about reading 'tells'. You think its 90% reading tells, in my opinion its more like 10%, if that. "Every time you play a hand differently from the way you would have played it if you could see all your opponents' cards, they gain; and every time you play your hand the same way you would have played it if you could see all their cards, they lose. Conversely, every time opponents play their hands differently from the way they would have if they could see all your cards, you gain; and every time they play their hands the same way they would have played if they could see all your cards, you lose." ~ David Sklansky Sounds like you think winning poker online is more about luck? Poker is gambling, but its not luck. Its true, you can't win at most gambling games but in poker the money comes from your opponents, so by exploiting their mistakes you can make your expectation positive. You win by forcing your opponents to make mistakes, like calling when they should fold. By calling down they might suck out on the river and win the pot, but theoretically you've won because they made a mistake, and if they keep doing this in the long run they'll lose their money and you or someone else will win it. Thats gambling, not luck. "If you do not win in the long run, it is not because your opponents are making too many mistakes; it is because you are." ~ Ed Miller. Doesn't matter if they're 8 years old and pushing buttons, if thats true and if you're any good, you'll crush them. How is it BS if I win. Sure, maybe I've been running hot for the last 15,000 hands, its possible.

[Neruo]

Ahhh Cool I allready forget I made this topic. I don't check Entertainment that much. Everyone just agrees with each other and there is no-one to agrue with Anyhow. Poker Rules indeed. Cool to see other people care aswell. And even play online! I think I actually won about 15 dollar online the last few days... however I think I lost about 20... so that kind of evens out... kind of... But I started to play less like a retard. Internet poker is different for... just about everything

[Jess]

I guess getting a DV table going isn't going to happen then . I hope our little discussion didn't put anyone off! Well done for winning $15, Neruo. Bad luck for losing $20. What limit are you playing at?

[Neruo]

I guess getting a DV table going isn't going to happen then . I hope our little discussion didn't put anyone off! Well done for winning $15, Neruo. Bad luck for losing $20. What limit are you playing at? [/b] Yeah A DV table would be fun.. but I am at everest-poker... you were at party poker right? and are there other people playing for money At all? : ) I am mostly playing no-limit, cash-game (no tournaments or shit), blinds 0.01/0.02 dollar. Sometimes you win 2 dollars, sometimes you lose 2 dollars... or 3... or 4... : ) How are you doing poker-finiancially?

[jacobo]

how do your stats stack up in a real life poker game?

[Jess]

Yeah A DV table would be fun.. but I am at everest-poker... you were at party poker right? and are there other people playing for money At all? : ) I am mostly playing no-limit, cash-game (no tournaments or shit), blinds 0.01/0.02 dollar. Sometimes you win 2 dollars, sometimes you lose 2 dollars... or 3... or 4... : ) How are you doing poker-finiancially? [/b] I play at PokerStars usually. $0.25/0.50 at the moment. Can always open an account on the same site but you're right it doesn't look like any other people play! I started playing limit, and still play it, mainly because there's a lot more literature on it than no limit, actually I'm not sure there's any books that have been written specifically for no limit. I think Ed Miller said he might write one... Plus you need a bigger bankroll to play no limit and you variance is bigger - up/down swings. To tell the truth I'm still in the red. I don't know how that graph works! I guess that's just my winrate, not my winnings...dunno. Its mainly because I play micro-limit and I stupidly lost $60 in one go once playing sit-n-go tournaments... My mate persuaded me to play a $30 SNG in a uni library, there was a fire alarm and we lost that game! Then he persuaded me to play another $30 SNG, I went to the toilet and he bloody called for me when someone went all-in, and I lost! The fool. Those losses plus the losses from when I first started without a clue mean I'm still in the red. But ever since I've been winning. I only play a couple of hours a day if that so its slow going. I moved on to $0.25/0.50 under-rolled recently because I'm getting bored and want to speed up the growth of my bankroll!! My current bankroll is about $100 built up from $50, playing $0.10/0.20 and below, mostly $0.05/0.10. Its really about $150 because I built it up to $100 before but then withdrew it because I was skint. Really need about $150 bankroll to play $0.25/0.50 so I'm not too under-rolled. Hows your bankroll doing? Do you use Poker Tracker and any HUD? how do your stats stack up in a real life poker game? [/b] If you mean mine, I wasn't sure, then I almost always make money in homegames, never been to B&M.

[Neruo]

I play at PokerStars usually. $0.25/0.50 at the moment. Can always open an account on the same site but you're right it doesn't look like any other people play! I started playing limit, and still play it, mainly because there's a lot more literature on it than no limit, actually I'm not sure there's any books that have been written specifically for no limit. I think Ed Miller said he might write one... Plus you need a bigger bankroll to play no limit and you variance is bigger - up/down swings. [/b] You are certainly right on the swings... however, isn't no-limit the True texas hold 'em variant? And at 0.01/0.02 tables, you can only bring in 2$ max anyway, so I never lose more then that (Netto) on one hand : ) To tell the truth I'm still in the red. I don't know how that graph works! I guess that's just my winrate, not my winnings...dunno. Its mainly because I play micro-limit and I stupidly lost $60 in one go once playing sit-n-go tournaments...[/b] Yeah, I hate tournaments, I lose some cash in them too. I am more a cash-game, normal table kind of guy. My mate persuaded me to play a $30 SNG in a uni library, there was a fire alarm and we lost that game! Then he persuaded me to play another $30 SNG, I went to the toilet and he bloody called for me when someone went all-in, and I lost! The fool. Those losses plus the losses from when I first started without a clue mean I'm still in the red. But ever since I've been winning. I only play a couple of hours a day if that so its slow going. I moved on to $0.25/0.50 under-rolled recently because I'm getting bored and want to speed up the growth of my bankroll!![/b] lol! Sucks! Man, if you are covering for someone, NEVER go all-in unless you have AA preflop, you might even want to fold KK if you really think the other dude has AA. My current bankroll is about $100 built up from $50, playing $0.10/0.20 and below, mostly $0.05/0.10. Its really about $150 because I built it up to $100 before but then withdrew it because I was skint. Really need about $150 bankroll to play $0.25/0.50 so I'm not too under-rolled. Hows your bankroll doing?[/b] FOUR DOLLA. It used to be 12, when I just started. I aint such a big roller as you are. But I have some hope that I might get back up, I just made some Bad disisions, and in one night I lost 6 dollar, I guess I was on tilt or something. Do you use Poker Tracker and any HUD? [/b] I tried, but the one I tried didn't support everest poker... They are extremely usefull however... and Lame

[Jess]

You are certainly right on the swings... however, isn't no-limit the True texas hold 'em variant?[/b] Maybe it is, I don't know, who cares - if you win its all good! FOUR DOLLA. It used to be 12, when I just started. I aint such a big roller as you are. But I have some hope that I might get back up, I just made some Bad disisions, and in one night I lost 6 dollar, I guess I was on tilt or something.[/b] I'm not sure what the recommended bankroll is for no-limit, but for limit having 300 big bets, ie $150 for $0.25/0.50, is conservative (not risky). I'm pretty sure you'd need more than that for no-limit. I tried, but the one I tried didn't support everest poker... They are extremely usefull however... and Lame [/b] Its useful for analysing your play and keeping track of everything. The HUDs are OK, good if you're not paying attention for a quick read, but obviously it always pays to watch how people play, plus you need a LOT of hands on an opponent to get a reliable read with a HUD. I mean, if they've played like 80% of their hands after 20 hands, they might just be running good, doesn't always mean they're loose. Poker Tracker PokerAce Hud

[Neruo]

Ahw all those poker trackers don't work on what I play. I should play one some REAL big poker-sites. Like party poker. Hm, to bad its pretty darn impossible to have a major DV poker something. :/

[BohmaN]

I played a freeroll and won 2.34&#036;... After 2 months I had 1000&#036;... But I didn&#39;t manage to get them out since my account was fake . I&#39;m 18 in 1 week I&#39;ll put some money in somewhere perhaps. <3 Poker

[Neruo]

I played a freeroll and won 2.34&#036;... After 2 months I had 1000&#036;... But I didn&#39;t manage to get them out since my account was fake . I&#39;m 18 in 1 week I&#39;ll put some money in somewhere perhaps. <3 Poker [/b] OMG?&#33; So basically, you missed out on 1000 dollar? Damn... : / I quit playing online, I just suck at it. I am up like 30 euro in real life however.

[BohmaN]

OMG?! So basically, you missed out on 1000 dollar? Damn... : / I quit playing online, I just suck at it. I am up like 30 euro in real life however.[/b] yea that's right I was pretty pissed then... So you play at casions ? Is it more fun?

[Neruo]

yea that's right I was pretty pissed then... So you play at casions ? Is it more fun? [/b] Haha, I wish. I am 17, can't wait till I can go and gamble some. Nah: I play with friends every now and then. And probably I am going to play this rather large (45 people) tournament. With like a prize-pool of 500 euros. Stiff competition however.