50 * 49 * 48 * 47 * 46 * 45 = 254,251,200
Again, that's not how he did it, but that doesn't make it impossible. Just very difficult and requiring lots of information.
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50 * 49 * 48 * 47 * 46 * 45 = 254,251,200
Again, that's not how he did it, but that doesn't make it impossible. Just very difficult and requiring lots of information.
Yeah, I suppose "don't see how it's possible" was a bit of hyperbole, on my part. I don't mean that I see it to be impossible, but still; If that was the case, then the man should get a medal or something. I've never seen anybody with enough balls to practically base their entire career on a 1 in 250million shot. Of course, if there was some sort of discernible pattern in past numbers, it would bring those odds down considerably, but we don't have any evidence that the numbers did have any pattern to them - as of yet.
I'm really interested to see what he has to say, tomorrow night.
Thereby drawing said unwanted attention to yourself. :wink:
There is also the factor that 'superpowers' doesn't necessarily beget a lack of ethics. Not everybody with the ability to cheat at life uses it. Call me a romantic, but I do believe that - contrary to popular awareness - honor does still exist in this world, and I figure that would go for humans and 'superhumans' alike. Don't you?
Oneironaut are you saying Derren Brown is superhuman? lol thats funny. He is an entertaining entertainer nothing more, you can believe that if you want but he is a con just like criss angel, hiring actors to act as audience and using camera tricks.
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I think this is true, if you look at it while he turns it around the ping pong balls look egg-shaped and it does look like numbers on a screen.Quote:
1. There are no balls, there are half ping pong balls which you can see below the "line"
2. Above the line you are actually looking at a flat white screen made into a semi-circle shape. Someone else who is there remotely programs in the winning number
3. He turns the stand around and you can see the numbers that someone has entered in.
I don't believe I ever said that.
I'm simply presenting the argument from the hypothetical that the metaphysical is possible, which is something I believe a lot of 'skeptics' should do more often. Saying "well that's just not possible", without critically thinking about the proposed feat, has become a knee-jerk reaction. It isn't 'investigation'. It is a priori assumption, and it really offers no benefit to anything except promoting dogma.
I don't know what you see, but I see a bunch of balls on an imperfect youtube video - a video so imperfect, in fact, that if you look at the perimeter of the card he is holding, you can see the pixelation (as with pretty much any fine line in the video). So yes, the numbers on the balls look digitized, because they are. That is; you are seeing them digitized as a result of it being a compressed video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
What I also see is that each ball/number is set at a slightly different angle than the other, giving more of the impression of their actually being 3D objects - set at non-uniform angles in their perches - than their being projected onto the balls, or superimposed digitally.
That's just me, though.
2 11 23 28 35 39...
This crack pot just irresponsibly invoked the law of fives to win the lottery. Well, not win, but showoff his own "amazingness" Eris is pissed.
You see, 2+11 = 13. By invoking the mystic 5 twice we get 23. Not to mention that 13 is a mystical number in it's own right (perhaps even more so than
23!!)
23...I knew this was going to be there...Obviously lol
28...Simply invoke the mystic 5 once. 28-5=23.
35= 5x7 Basic law of fives
39 = The sum of all numbers execpt 39 = 99. Subtract 99-39 and you get 60. Basic law of fives relation.
EDIT: Post #33..Invoke the mystic 5 twice to get 23...Eris speaks through me once more.
I could have done this...A year of your life? I know your silly tricks sir!
So he revealed his system earlier this evening.
He got a group of 24 people to examine a years worth of lottery numbers and then got them to subconsciously write out 6 numbers.
He then added the numbers together (for each individual number of the 6) and divided it by the amount of people in the group.
It was very important that they did it subconsciously and not out the act of greed.
He said that he either did that or he rigged the machine XD
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I am pretty sure someone can explain that better than me XD
That is obviously a trick. He didn't even do anything. You just think he did, because of the way he presented it.
Watch it again. He doesn't write the numbers on a card until after they are called. He has a line of balls set up which SUPPOSEDLY already have the lottery numbers written on them. He doesn't reveal what is written on these balls until AFTER the lottery has been drawn. Then, he turns the stand around, revealing the numbers written on the balls. It is simple to switch these balls, project the numbers onto them, or use a split screen to do any sort of slight of hand. The details of this don't matter. That is a simple, unimpressive illusion to pull off, especially on TV.
Obviously, the balls he has lined up in the studio didn't have the numbers written on them until after the lottery was drawn. That is why he waits to show them until after the lottery is called.
Here is how he screwed with your mind. In your mind, you connect the numbers he is writing on the card with his prediction. In your mind, you connect the set of lottery balls with the ones drawn from the machine. Because you saw him write the numbers first, then saw them on the balls second, you think he predicted it. He didn't even have to lie in this trick. Your mind does the switch for you based on your preconceived notions. You come away from the trick with the false memory of seeing him writing the lottery numbers on a card before they were drawn.
He aided this confusion by talking nonsense non stop through the trick. This is a form of hypnosis, which causes confusion and gives the hypnotist time to slip in subconscious cues.
This is a good example of how we remember things the way we want to remember them.
This is obvious. He stood there and wrote them out to show what numbers were drawn, which is why he had the marker in his hand. He wasn't allowed to show the numbers by the BBC.Quote:
Watch it again. He doesn't write the numbers on a card until after they are called. He has a line of balls set up which SUPPOSEDLY already have the lottery numbers written on them. He doesn't reveal what is written on these balls until AFTER the lottery has been drawn. Then, he turns the stand around, revealing the numbers written on the balls. It is simple to switch these balls, project the numbers onto them, or use a split screen to do any sort of slight of hand. The details of this don't matter. That is a simple, unimpressive illusion to pull off, especially on TV.
No, that's actually a rights thing with the BBC. And how can you be so sure?? The balls were clearly written on with permanent marker, not projected onto, as you can see when he moves one of the balls.Quote:
Obviously, the balls he has lined up in the studio didn't have the numbers written on them until after the lottery was drawn. That is why he waits to show them until after the lottery is called.
He had the numbers written on the balls. I don't understand what you are talking about. If there was a projector, then it would have been blatantly obvious when he turned the stand around.Quote:
Here is how he screwed with your mind. In your mind, you connect the numbers he is writing on the card with his prediction. In your mind, you connect the set of lottery balls with the ones drawn from the machine. Because you saw him write the numbers first, then saw them on the balls second, you think he predicted it. He didn't even have to lie in this trick. Your mind does the switch for you based on your preconceived notions. You come away from the trick with the false memory of seeing him writing the lottery numbers on a card before they were drawn.
I don't have sound on my laptop, so I wouldn't know.Quote:
He aided this confusion by talking nonsense non stop through the trick. This is a form of hypnosis, which causes confusion and gives the hypnotist time to slip in subconscious cues.
It is a recording. You can watch it over and over and see what happened. I saw no trickery that you mentioned afoot.Quote:
This is a good example of how we remember things the way we want to remember them.
The purpose of his writing the numbers was so that he could show them, written out, after the camera had panned closer to the balls. Writing on the card wasn't even part of the trick, and I was never under them impression that it was.
And if a projector had projected those numbers onto the balls, it is the most high-tech projector I've ever seen. The way the 'projected' numbers hug the balls, in perfect perspective, while they are being turned around, is just amazing. :-?
(That is to say, I don't think they were projected.)
I know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick
But - out of sheer curiosity - why don't you tell me what would happen, if the power elite were to find out that metaphysical powers were in existence, and "regular people" could possibly have abilities that conventional weaponry and protocol just weren't designed to counter?
What do you think would happen if someone were to go onto national television and say that they could read the minds of anyone he passed on the street? Or they could move shit with their minds...and they could prove it. Honestly, how do you think government would react to that?
what a crock of shit. If you seriously believe Derren Browns explanation then the real trick wasn't "predicting" the lottery numbers it was brainwashing you.
We should have a poll to see how many people think Derren Brown is for real, and how many think he is a fraud.
Haha! Like he's not allowed to give the numbers he predicts before they're drawn lol! Did he at least buy a lottery ticket with his prediction numbers or was he not allowed to do that either? ROFLMFAO!
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I must say he does well not to look at his assistant writing the numbers on the balls. I wouldn't be able to resist looking and laughing if it were me :lol:
He openly admits that 'the events', including the lottery prediction show are about misdirection and deception. The thing about Derren though is he tends not to just lie. So I choose option 1, faking the lottery ticket, obviously he didn't use a ticket though, he used a line of balls instead. He used the word ticket purposely to throw people off the option, I wonder if he would've been able to skip this option so quickly if he'd rephrased it to be about the pingpong balls.
Option3 is blatenly wrong and Derren openly admits it, he even starts the show saying that he didn't break the law and he didn't effect anyone elses chances of winning which completely rules 3 out.
As for 2, there's obviously a huge difference in a crowd guessing the weight of a cow, a situation in which they can all have educated guesses based on some thing material and infront of them, and a crowd guessing the numbers of the lottery by automatic writing. Derren doesn't believe in things like precognition so you shouldn't believe he used this option. =)
Probably camera trickery as others have pointed out, i think split screen technology is a particularly interesting guess.
actually, that rules everything out except for what he did.
it is against the law to lie on television like that. and it absolutely rules out number 1 (he even said that at the start) as well as 3.
im not saying he isn't lying, im just saying that if you believe him when he said he didnt break the law, then you kinda need to believe everything else, because iverything else he said is based around the fact that he didnt break the law.
His explanation -
I would watch this before it gets taken down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IlwD...eature=channel
There are several parts to it.
All parts here too: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=...nn&view=videos
He explains what he did, but not why it worked. Kind of a rip off.
So... Who wants to help me win the lottery?
I'm drawing up a board like the one he used that showed all the previous numbers right now.
By the way, I loled so hard when he said the bonus numbers were only for women and gays. As if he can say that on Television!
So I made a thread to attempt this in beyond dreaming
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=83486
Hmmm... that first ball does jump up a little bit. Visible even on the small low quality youtube vid. If I ever meet that guy, I'm going to kick his ass, and no amount of jedi mind tricks will be able to save him!