http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq4iz...eature=mh_lolz
This video kind of freaked me out a little bit. Especially the part with the guy on the radio station talking about Area 51 (8:18 - 12:06). This is definitely an interesting video, watch through to the end.
Yeah I love summer overture.
The UFOs are also kinda neat. I wonder what they are. They seem to be denying our understanding of physics. I wonder why that is?
Cool
Stopped watching at 1:00. That object is clearly a rocket. If you look closely you can even see it staging at 0:50. If the makers of this video are ignorant enough, or think me ignorant enough, to pass off an obvious rocket launch as a UFO, then it's not worth watching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Konfusi0n
I hate how the term "UFO" has come to mean "aliens." If you break it down... Unidentified Flying Object... you can't identify it... and it's flying... it's a UFO. Doesn't mean aliens! The likelihood that 1) aliens would ever see our planet, 2) would be able to GET here... is soooooo insanely slim... But the probability that people see objects flying that are unidentified? Pretty high. I've seen a UFO... it was really bizarre, but then it turned out to be a bush plane flying at 1 in the morning. UFO: yes. Aliens? Nooope. (Chances are, life exists elsewhere. Chances are, however, that life from elsewhere has not encountered our planet yet.)
I saw a video like this earlier in the year, except it had even more examples. A lot of sightings for 2011 are giant glowing amber orbs. The orbs then fly in geometrical patterns, sometimes forming a V. These orbs being spotted remind me of the original bogies seen by pilots during the war. So, there's kind of a history behind them.
Some say ball-lightning, but I don't think ball-lightning make V shapes in the sky and whiz about - who knows maybe they do. Some say extra-dimensional ufos. Others think they are angelic/demonic spirits. I think if people in ancient times saw these orbs - they would think they were spirits!
What ever they are, the colorful orbs in the sky still remain unidentified
I wonder if aliens are hot. .-.
I don't believe most of these UFO shit on youtube, and chances of life in the universe ARE very small (little pockets around), but perhaps they are able to make it here and our understanding of all this is wrong. Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePreserver
As for the OP talking about art bell about that phone call guy about area 51, it's fake. The guy phones back later and says it was all a joke.
Area 51 caller calls back on Art Bell's Coast to Coast - YouTube
Or maybe the Feds got to him and forced him to recant!Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidFlanders
The human model of the universe in this current paradigm simply isn't correct so we don't have to force ourselves to imagine these aliens trekking these vast distances to see us. Rather we have to clear the drawing board and reimagine what is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidFlanders
We are all doomed.:panic:Although it's a big coincidence how the satellite went down as he was talking, of all the times for it to go down...cue the drama/paranoia lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
Cool, but no way to tell if any of the footage is even real.
Most of those are proven fakes. Here's an example of one such debunking.
(edit: the page I linked too is old and some of the youtube videos have been removed but I think they can be found elsewhere, either on youtube or other science related blogs. I can't be arsed to look them all up right now but I'm sure they are not hard to find.)
(edit 2: Here and here.)
Also, most cases of "alien abduction" go a little something like this: "being paralyzed in their bed, hearing strange, unrecognizable voices and sounds, seeing lights, and feeling intense fear."
Sounds to me like someone is having Sleep Paralysis... Thank you, PBS special, for helping me make the connections! (And for many UFO sightings, ball lightning fits the description... it's a glowing orb in the sky that changes direction randomly, hovers around, and then "vanishes" away... looking like it is either zooming away or disappearing... often when it finds somewhere to arc to, like a cloud.)
SP serves to debunk many abductions and ghost encounter but not every single one.
Fuck I didn't read your post after the link and I was like "WTF 90% of these video's are removed or private" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sekhmet
Well of course there will be unrelated ones, but just because it does not fit into A, does not necessarily force it to be B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
At least it explains that aren't lying or crazy... and they did actually see and hear those things. It was just all in their head!
Most definitely. But some smart guy once said (I think it was dumbledore) that when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePreserver
While I go through dozens and dozens of accounts that are clearly SP, and dozens of other accounts that end up being discredited later as hoax, there's still that 1% of evidence that slips through all logical understanding and explanation. When I see a space craft take a sharp 90 degree turn, for instance. I think they show one or two of those in the OP video. Give me the explanation for those. Missiles can't do that. Nothing mankind has invented can do that.
Those small four-rotored helicopters can do it.
Show me. Then show me how a helicopter blasts off into space at blinding speeds after taking this sharp turn.
That video of a UFO in China with all that cloud around it looks like a missle sprewing gas everywhere, or a plane that's spewing gas everywhere from a leak. It could do that, afterall the speed it was probably going.
I can show you photons from a specific light source that may change their path based on air temperature, density, and moisture (refraction, mirage, etc. aren't restricted JUST to ground level!) Things don't always appear where they are supposed to appear! Also, ball lightning changes speed and its path erratically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
Not saying it was photon funkiness or ball lightning necessarily, but those two things rule out a number of sightings.
But I cannot show you a helicopter that does that.
Those turns don't have nearly as sharp an angle as the videos I posted.
Slightly less convincing than that Israel one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
Well they're not computer-generated. (Although the first one is well within the capabilities of missiles).Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
Tbf, you don't see it blasting off in to space. You see it get thinner, go up a few metres and disappear, which gives the illusion of it flying upward at blinding speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
To all the people posting videos of flying UFOs in some attempt to convince us skeptics: don't bother. I don't mean to sound harsh or what you might consider "willfully ignorant" or something, but the fact is, we'll never be convinced by video. The well has been poisoned already with lens flares, atmospheric anomalies, regular aircraft with the sun glinting off them, unannounced missile launches, and outright hoaxes that no case can be made with videos. Period. It's like trying to convict someone of a murder, but at the same time trying to pin the JFK assassination on him. It doesn't matter how good your case is for the murder, by bringing in the JFK thing, you turned the jury against you. Likewise, by mixing in OBVIOUS hoaxes and misinterpretations with the more "hard-to-explain" videos, you've turned us skeptics against you.
Rule number 1 of marketing: You're not trying to change anybody's mind. The undecided are the target. If I thought the future of mankind lay in the critical capabilities of a few skeptics, I would have given up long ago. Luckily you're not the person I'm trying to convince. You made up your mind, you will learn based on your own experience at this point.
People don't typically start off believing in aliens by default. Some may be swayed by the youtube videos circulating to begin independent research but that's where the rubber hits the road, not in the videos themselves and not in the irrelevant skeptics that find explanations for them. As of now, there is so much evidence of ET contact that to deny them at this point is a display of ignorance, not skepticism.
And Spartiate: If these were computer generated, that's a pretty intricate hoax.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=QDIF-ZwJbF0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=XtiylJCma9c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=wQmut0XtD3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw8b8pBW5Sc
You just fell way over in to bat shit crazy territory. You're saying people aren't skeptics, they're just willfully ignorant. When there's thousands of fake videos and photos out there, why would one not be skeptical of the next fake video or photo or whatever?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
You're only willfully ignorant if you instantly believe it.
I have not seen ANY evidence of ET contact. I have never spoken to, seen or heard one. I've never even smelled one.
I'm pretty sure we'd know about it. Unless they decided to hide out in the jungle with ancient tribes or something.
Well... I don't want to be the one to define "intricate" but is it that hard to convince 6 or 7 people on a street corner (especially friends or people you know) to look at the sky for 2 minutes and then add some CG glowing spherical things...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
Then go do some research and get back to me. You may still be skeptical but you won't deny their existence. That's the point I'm making, which you misinterpreted. I'm saying anyone who does the proper research will no longer flat out deny them. I don't expect anyone to watch a video and make up their minds. But I thought that was clear in my bat shit crazy post -_-Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Yeah it's a hoax, otherwise there would have been more to report than a handful of videos, like hundreds of eye-witnesses for instance. Also, one of the videos was posted by a guy who does CGI vids. That's still what I would call an elaborate hoax.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePreserver
K now debunk THIS one
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9h...136#from=embed
Funny how they go "SOME SAY it can't possibly be space debris..." as if they're trying to distract you from the obvious simpler explanation...Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
The only mildly interesting one is the rather chaotic movement of debris around the tether. The damn thing broke, so it's not a stretch to assume that the debris is related to the experiment... Maybe the tether was electrically charged and interacted with other metallic objects.
I can't debunk that one... because I have no idea what I'm supposed to be looking for that doesn't act like standard space junk... O.o
Wasn't the Israel UFO witnessed by thousands? Or was that another event? Maybe it wasn't that specific one, but I do know there was a UFO (light) over Israel that was observed by the masses.
I understand how easy it is to hoax a UFO on video. But there are mass sightings of UFO's, as in UFOs seen by everyone on the ground, officers, pilots, etc. It's only frustrating that when these events happen only a few videos come out.
My favorite one is the falling object that looks like it could just be a meteorite but then has three glowing orbs around it forming a V shape - when the V shape is being seen all over the world. I want to know more about that video, if it was witnessed by many or just a few.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qffIx2GWDo
With videos like this around. The minority of hardcore skeptics just look ridiculious these days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bdv0jYHS-w&feature=related
Oh I believe in UFO's, I saw a light travel across my field of view while looking through my telescope at the Great Orion Nebula 2 weeks ago. I couldn't identify it, and it appeared to be "flying" in the sense that it was going really fast through space.Quote:
Originally Posted by knight31
Why'd you even post the second video, the bearded guy acts like a tool.
It's a start. Better than people who say we can identify the cause of every single skyward observation.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
But Bill Nye is in it. Bill Bill Bill Bill.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I once saw a big circle of light coming down from the sky almost touhing the road at like 3AM, it was a half block away, it was bright like looking at a heli shooting their searchlights, but it made no noise. I was just staring at this thing as i'm in the middle of the road with my dog going "WTF!!!". A UFO it was, since it was unidentified. I still wonder what it was i saw....no noise, super bright light in a circle coming down from the sky almost touching the ground, then going back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
The so called UFOs at 1:06 to 1:09 are seagulls. Watch the video on fullscreen - it is pixellated yes, but you can still see their wings flapping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
I know that there are people who really want to believe, and will continue to believe no matter how much evidence on the contrary they are provided (kind of like religious and superstitious beliefs for some. Hmmm....) but I can't help but LOL when people try to claim things that are explainable (even if those things are not obvious at first) as aliens and UFOs.
And now a selected quote from the comments section of said video:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sekhmet
And this^ is why I'm a skeptic. I don't want to be on this guy's side.Quote:
A bird does not look anything like what is in the top right corner at exactly 1:06 mark dumbass birds are solid objects, not clear an round you moron... get a clue troll... open you damn eyes there are BIRDS in the start of the video the things at the 1:06 mark are not birds!!!
There's no way you guys can debunk this
Don't let someone ruin your beliefs or thoughts! Unless you were already a skeptic.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
I, personally, am waiting for actual evidence that isn't vague or blurry images or "MAYBE it's an alien!" before I make up my mind. Anything can be made to look like anything... but if it's aliens, I want PROOF not a hunch.
I think everyone in this thread should donate to SETI so we can find some real aliens.
https://www.teamseti.org/
I became a member this year. They had their funding cut off a while ago and started needing donations. In a few days they will start the Allen Telescope Array back up and continue searching.
wtf man, is that utube on auto play..i can't turn it off
u really just said thatQuote:
With videos like this around. The minority of hardcore skeptics just look ridiculious these days.
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Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
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Obvious joke. It's clearly from a movie.
Chinese alien invasion
The fair called, they want their ride back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
http://troll.me/images/futurama-fry/...-sarcastic.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
if these aren't aliens then...
That's a hoax. You can tell the UFO was digitally added in later.
If they aren't aliens... then they are something else.
It's really hard to take a source seriously when they spell their name with numbers in place of letters, like some 10 year old on AOL.
He's TRYING to be unique and hip so he can relate to teen youth. Guess it isn't working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken
I think that there may indeed be Aliens, because of the argument there are billions of stars and billions of theoretical planets. But then you reverse the argument: If there are billions of stars and even more planets, it is just as likely for aliens to find us then for us to find aliens. (A very low chance, considering we haven't found any proof of aliens on any planet but our own)
Billions of planets? i doubt it. Stars? sure, you see tens of thousands, or more in the sky through the naked eye. There is probably a 100-1 ratio of stars compared to planets. I'm just guessing though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neoquestmoo
Just curious, what kind of lense for hubble do we need to zoom into planets? all i know is it's not possible atm.
Your guess makes no sense whatsoever, and flies in the face of the nebular theory of star formation. Ask any modern astronomer, and they'll give you a figure closer to 5-10 planets per star.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidFlanders
Zoom in how far?Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidFlanders
The highest resolution is 1pixel per metre for the moon.
Lol, was gonna say the same thing. Do not understand how he came to that conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
Zoom in far enough to see anything on the planets surface. As for the other part, i don't know anything about space, that's why i said i'm just guessing. I figured life is pretty rare so there would not be that many planets.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Anything on the surface? You mean like a building or something? Or an animal?
Well, you'd need to get at LEAST one pixel per metre.
So we can get one pixel per metre on the moon. That is 384,401.47km away from Earth
If you wanted to view this planet which is 600 light years away....
I guess.... 384,401.47 x 5.67631704x10^15 = the amount of km per pixel
So to get that resolution down to one metre per pixel, you'd need a lense like the size of Earth.
Or an interferometer composed of several strategically placed satellites.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
He asked what size lense you would need.
Equally ridiculous would be asking what size microscope you need. Wrong tool for the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Observatory telescopes have no lenses and no "zoom" (although some of their imaging instruments have different fields of view).
Besides the point people. I was just pointing out how ridiculous the question was.
http://files-cdn.formspring.me/photo...044e_large.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by tommo
wtf have you done?
I dunno, I'm not a math genius. Care to figure it out for me?
I was basically showing, given that 1 pixel = 1 metre on the moon, at the highest resolution we can achieve,
For a planet 600 light years away, the resolution would be 5.67631704x10^15 times bigger per pixel.
This is clearly wrong... our naked eyes get better resolution than that! 5*10^15 m is about 0.5 lightyears. At 600 ly distance, this would correspond to an angular diameter of about 0.048 degrees, or about 2.9' (arcminutes). Wikipedia lists the average nighttime human eye resolution as 3', but in the daytime that rises to 2' for 20/20 vision, and 1.2' for the best human. So your calculation got wonky somewhere. I'll attempt it:Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
The moon is ~3.97x10^8 m away. 1 m at that distance corresponds to an angular resolution of arctan(1/3.97e8) = 2.51e-9 degrees. This is about a million times sharper than the eye.
At 600 ly, this would give 1.51e-6 ly, or about 1.4e7 km (14,000,000 km). This is similar to the orbital radius of mercury (same order of magnitude, anyway).
So what you guys are saying is that the moon is really a space station?
It's too big to be a space station.
Oh sorry I thought this was the movie quotes thread for a second..
Then how does it stay up there like that? When I see an aircraft, I assume there's a driver.
5*10^15 m was not metres, it was km. I stil haven't gotten around to reading about arc measurements, so I don't really understand your post. But thanks forQuote:
Originally Posted by cmind
correcting it anyway.
