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To each his own I guess. Tbh, I really was not convinced that this could have been racially motivated until I heard that clip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I can't say I'm for sure though since I wasn't there to witness it. But things really aren't looking good for George. I don't know what to think.
You're joking?Quote:
I really was not convinced that this could have been racially motivated until I heard that clip.
What do you want me to tell you? Like I said, I don't know for sure, but when someone talks about how these 'fucking coons' are always getting away with everything I think that's a red flag.
Is it possible you're hearing what you want to hear?
'Funky goons' makes absolutely sense in the context of this situation, does it? It's still there, though.
I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong because it seems like everyone is hearing something different. Like Xei said, it could just be the wind.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenhavoc
Sorry bout that, Louie. I meant to say that funky goons makes absolutely no sense, but it's still there if that's what someone is trying to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by louie54
...but this:
...was an epiphany for you, something you've said yourself could be anything?Quote:
Tbh, I really was not convinced that this could have been racially motivated until I heard that clip.
Oh. Well I meant fucking coons. "Coon" is a derogatory name to describe a black person so if that's what he really said, then I wouldn't be surprised since Trayvon is well, black.
Although I was convinced, I'm not going to look the other way if someone says otherwise. I could be wrong. It's not that I'm wanting to hear it btw.
Some of the pictures I've seen of Trayvon were old pictures of him, around 13, 14 years of age. He had some kind of wicked growth spurt from that time until the age of 17 as he stood 6 feet 2 inches and weighing about 160 lbs. Basically, still a slim guy but he had height. Here are some more recent images of him.
Most recent picture of Zimmerman I can find. He stood at roughly 5.8 or 5.9 weighing 170lbs.
I don't think this was a hate crime incident because I don't think Zimmerman has anything against blacks considering he has a friend that's apparently pretty close to him, who happens to be black.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuUk5xJX-8s
This CCTV video of George video handcuffed arriving at the police station the night of the shooting is extremely interesting. Draw your own conclusions but something seems very suspect in this video. I can't embed this stream because it's secured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_Qn9ZEj9Q
Ne-Yo, I bet you wrote awesome book reports. Thanks for contributing.
My girlfriend thinks that this whole story is a cover up to distract us from what's going on in politics. That this is a perfect example of Political Science 101. People are shot and killed ever day in America, but how is this story so unique?
She's been fighting with people on Facebook about it.
Man you were all over this situation's nuts just 2 days ago. lolQuote:
People are shot and killed ever day in America, but how is this story so unique?
Epiphany smiphanhy, eh?
Your girlfriend's only half right. The distraction is the hate-crime nature of it. The issue (or an issue at least, we have an embarrassment of riches with regard to issues) is the fact that there are police departments (and this is not the only one) in this country that consider the race of the victim when deciding who to prosecute.Quote:
Originally Posted by louie54
If this was shown to not be racially motivated in the least, that would still not clear the police department of the fact that they are racist in determining what constitutes murder. That's the issue.
I was talking about my girlfriend, Jacqueline, but I actually have changed my mind at least 3 times since I first heard about it. What I'm saying is that my girlfriend doesn't understand how this case is so unique, so she assumes that this must be a distraction from what's going behind the political curtain.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenhavoc
My view on the other hand, I really don't know what to fucking think. I wasn't there, only George knows what happened.
Yeah there was that clip I posted earlier, but did he really say what a lot of people think? I feel like a hypocrite for changing my mind so much.
I don't know what happened, and I don't think anybody else here does either. Apparently Zimmerman stalked Martin because he supposedly looked unfamiliar and suspicious. Was that much racist? Probably so. Also, Zimmerman apparently stalked Martin although he was told to quit following him. Did Zimmerman talk trash to Martin after following him for a creepy distance? There is a good chance of it. However, a witness said that night that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, beating the shit out of him for a matter of minutes. Zimmerman had a broken nose and a gash on the back of his head as a result of something. Is getting your ass beat for minutes a call for using a gun? It is unless you are the one who attacked the person on top of you first and he was just trying to subdue you in self-defense. Do we know that Zimmerman attacked Martin first? No, we do NOT. Should the situation be investigated further? Absolutely. Should Zimmerman be arrested at this point? Probably not, but it is worth a grand jury analysis.
So, in summary, none of us know the full extent of relevant details of what happened and the issue is far from simple, but there should be more investigation though there is not enough ground for arrest at this point.
CNN, NBC and MSNBC seem to disagree. You guys see the new photos of Zimmerman's bloody head, yet?Quote:
So, in summary, none of us know the full extent of relevant details of what happened and the issue is far from simple, but there should be more investigation though there is not enough ground for arrest at this point.
*Grins and wonders what's going on in no-name's beautiful mind.
This thread and the news coverage of this case are both just a bunch gossip.
Doctored audio, and visual? Nah, couldn't be.
I believe the jury is still out on that one. I've seen just as much speculation saying that he did as I have seen saying that he didn't. I also think it's very important that - as was explained in one of the last videos someone posted - the lead investigator wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter, due in part to his LACK of physical injuries, but was overruled by the state attorney (aka not an investigator).Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
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Originally Posted by Universal Mind
The funeral director disagrees, based on what he saw while dressing the body.
It's been a circus around here. I had to detour off the highway the other day, on the way to work, because there were SO MANY PEOPLE at the last rally. Traffic was backed up for miles. I was talking to a friend of mine last night, who is very close to the situation and was best friends with the girl whose property this whole thing happened on, whom I knew in school as well. I brought up a growing trend to her, that I'm seeing in a lot of activism over this topic, and I'm finding it really disappointing:
I'm all for the anger and the outrage. I'm all for the protesting and the marching and the shake-up at the Sanford PD, but what I'm seeing way too much of in the activist rhetoric is rushing to call Zimmerman a murderer, and calling the event 'Trayvon's murder', etc. etc. I understand that hearts are on fire because of the incident, but I think rushing to judgement not only sends a bad message about what is really motivating the movement, but it also goes a long way to delegitimizing the argument that lies at the center of the whole thing; that Zimmerman - whether he is guilty of murder or not - deserves to be put on trial.
I also brought up how there is a reason that cops are (supposedly) obligated to write out a full, detailed report whenever they discharge a weapon. Not just whenever they kill someone, but EVERY TIME the weapon is discharged. It is because the fact that they are cops does not (or rather, should not) exhonerate them from being held under some sort of scrutiny for their actions. Just because they are wearing a badge, or operating under the banner of justice doesn't mean they their actions are inherently justifiable, nor should their accounts of what happened go unverified. Zimmerman has basically skipped through this check, with the help of the Sanford PD. With that buffer of time between the incident and the 'temporary stepping-aside' of the Sanford PD chief, the chance of getting a sufficient investigation about what happened would be like trying to examine ground zero after all of the debris has been hurriedly packed up and shipped overseas. It's likely Not Going to Happen.
New witnesses are apparently involved, then. The funeral director, whom I didn't know about, said something extremely relevant. He could be lying, but we cannot assume that he is. If we assume he is telling the truth, we have to assume that the first witness and the police are lying. That is possible too. With that evidence, a lot of people need to be investigated. I think the FBI probably needs to step in now and investigate why the police and the first witness might have gone through so much trouble to deceive. The situation is a major mess now.
Racism is justified. I'm a strong racist, and make no apologies.
How's the gossip going? Any evil twin brothers yet?
,I like jelly beans. :) ,Quote:
Originally Posted by Carôusoul
can't imagine why this case died down.
NBC News: Charges to be filled against George Zimmerman, the man who shot Trayvon Martin.
2nd Degree MurderQuote:
Originally Posted by BLUELINE976
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