Marajuana, Methamphetamine, and producer ethics

[The Blue Meanie]

Okay, right from the start, I don't do drugs, but I don't NECESSARILY have anything those who do, provided it's sensible, and doesn't hurt anyone. Marajuana, aka pot, weed, etc, is pretty much relatively harmless. (This, of course, is contrioversial, but hey... this is a controversial subject.) It's a recreational drug that, in the vast majority of cases, DOESNT lead on to more serious drugs. Some of you may know, some of you may not, about Methamphetamine, aka, P, etc... P is one of my pet hates. It's addictive, causes violent and agressive behaviour, and is very, very harmful. It's a fast-growing harm in New Zealand, and in many other coutnries, though there are some places it hasn't really "blossomed" in yet. In my opinion, it's far worse than cocaine. Something has recently come to my attention. In New Zealand, and perhaps elsewhere, Marajuana producers have started LACING their finished product with methamphetamine. This is in order to get their users addicted, and lead them on to harder substances like P. This really angers me: it seems Marajuana, which in most cases is a harmless recreational substance, has suddenly got a lot more dangerous. I've got to go to Uni at the moment, and I WANT to post more. BUT, I'd welcome any thoughts and comments on this so far...

[Gwendolyn]

Originally posted by The Blue Meanie Okay, right from the start, I don't do drugs, but I don't NECESSARILY have anything those who do, provided it's sensible, and doesn't hurt anyone. Marajuana, aka pot, weed, etc, is pretty much relatively harmless. *(This, of course, is contrioversial, but hey... this is a controversial subject.) *It's a recreational drug that, in the vast majority of cases, DOESNT lead on to more serious drugs. Some of you may know, some of you may not, about Methamphetamine, aka, P, etc... P is one of my pet hates. *It's addictive, causes violent and agressive behaviour, and is very, very harmful. *It's a fast-growing harm in New Zealand, and in many other coutnries, though there are some places it hasn't really "blossomed" in yet. *In my opinion, it's far worse than cocaine. Something has recently come to my attention. *In New Zealand, and perhaps elsewhere, Marajuana producers have started LACING their finished product with methamphetamine. *This is in order to get their users addicted, and lead them on to harder substances like P. This really angers me: it seems Marajuana, which in most cases is a harmless recreational substance, has suddenly got a lot more dangerous. I've got to go to Uni at the moment, and I WANT to post more. *BUT, I'd welcome any thoughts and comments on this so far... As you know, I live in KY in the US. This goes on a lot, I've been told, from some of my friends. This seems really dangerous....I agree with your stance. Whatever anyone thinks about marijuana, or the people that use it, it is completely evil to go lacing things with other more harmful stuff.

[wombing]

crystal meth is the most evil substance i can think of. i have seen it absolutely destroy one of my best friend's life, and risk doing the same with others close to me. my *coughs* twin brother did most types of drugs in his youth, including heroin and cocaine, and never had a problem with addiction or "fiending". crystal meth was the only drug that left him paranoid, sketchy, and feeling like a bag of smashed assholes. and yet despite the horrible withdrawl symptoms, the only substance that made him almost cave in and do another point or two (even with full knowledge the resultant withdrawl would be twice as bad). it makes me livid to know that some people are so brutal they would lace cannabis with meth and give it to unsuspecting people, hoping to create some jib-tecs for future business and yet sad the dealers are almost certainly meth addicts themselves. the infuriating thing is that those in power will only use crystal meth as an excuse to vamp up their war on drugs, and spread more misinformation. when mescaline and cannabis are lumped in with methamphetamines, it is no wonder that many view the horror stories about meth as just more propoganda spread by liars and are forced to learn the hard way. our governments need to separate the mostly harmless drugs from those like meth. and they need to start treating meth addicts like the sick people they are, and not criminals.

[Slight]

isn't that the reason why the situation should at least be like in the netherlands... that is the only way to control drugs and its users ... even though the netherlands have the back-door problem ... well .. as long as drugs are illegal, dealers will make their dirty business...

[Sortilegio]

First, its Marihuana Well, I've come aboard some weed every now and then that is laced with crack, but in my point of view, I hate crack, and its very noticible that the weed has crack without having to smoke it, it looks like if it had gum splattered al over it; now meth, where I live there isn't that much, and if there is, its in a social area I wouldn't probably be around so I really don't care. To end, if people are too dumb to trust whoevere deals them, then its their problem, I stand by the opinion to not encourage organized crime, so I get my stuff from people who cultivate it themselfs , ofcourse there is the rare shortage

[Leo Volont]

It may just so happen that if you are a nice person and look around and see just how many assholes there are out there, you may decide that there must be some sense of satisfaction they are deriving from such an attitude, and you may wish to try it out for yourself, just to see what the big appeal is. To do so, you must need to do methamphetimine. 50 years ago, when I was in college, a very nice young lady had this hellishly bitchy roomate. God, I hated her. Arrogant and moody... complaining all the time, full of herself without the lease justification in brains or talent. A burden on the earth and an irritant besides. A hateful thing to be hated. I knew her my sophomore year. A few years later, I was surprised to see her at graduation. She looked a bit different, but at first glance I was already making my escape... we had made eye contact and I was afraid she would come over to talk. Even after several years I still hated her... loathed her completely. But then she smiled and I noticed that inexplicably she seemed to look younger than she had three years before. I was confused and my confusion paralyzed me. She approached and began to talk. She was light and happy. She remembered me for all the friendship I had shown to our mutual friends, and held no grudge that I had not been closer to herself. Then she told me, ... she explained that she had been addicted to methamphetimine and had must spent the last several years getting over the addiction. It turns out that she was naturally a very kind and sweet and intelligent girl. It had been the meth that had twisted and ruined her personality and behavior.

[Dangeruss]

Originally posted by Sortilegio First, its Marihuana * SECOND, it's Cannabis Sativa/Indica. Marijuana is a term used by narcs and shouldn't be adopted by enemies of the drug war I don't know what P is, could you provide some info on that one, Meanie? The practice of lacing is absolutely awful. I can't imagine anyone being so desperate for pot sales that they'd do something like that. Especially when all drug users should be united against the war on drugs, I mean it's just awful to give the politicians more ammo to use against us. Personally, I've never heard of anyone getting laced weed in my area, except on one or two occasions. In one, someone I know might have come across some hash-laced weed, which isn't so bad really since hash is just another form of pot, except I think it's pretty lame not to tell the customer exactly what they're buying. In the other, two of my stupider friends got real drunk and smoked a dime bag, which got them so messed up that they went around saying it must have been laced. Neither of them smoke very much so I can't imagine them knowing the difference between laced pot and premium pot, so I don't think it's very likely (especially since that kind of thing just doesn't happen in my area). What's worse is that lacing targets new smokers, those who wouldn't notice a strange taste or an unusual high or a strong inclination to buy more and more. These are exactly the type of people who don't deserve to be hooked by cheap dealer tricks. It's always the decent folks who get screwed For those of you concerned about getting laced, here are a few tips: 1. vary your sources. buy from different people, and be wary of any weed that looks the same but it is more powerful. 2. Notice the taste. I enjoy the piney taste of some nice outdoor pot, or the sweet, skunky taste of some dank indoor pot almost as much as I like getting high. If you develop a taste for weed, you'll definitely notice if a batch tastes like pills (laced with painkillers) or plastic (laced with amphetamines). I've tried adderol-laced weed on a night when I had a lot of partying and work to do at the same time, and the taste of the amphetamine was unmistakable (bad idea, i know, but whatev). 3. If you're new, and unsure about a batch, smoke a bowl with a pothead. Any experienced pot smoker will be able to detect anything unusual about your batch. 4. Pay attention to your heart rate. Smoking increases your heart rate at first, but a persistent, pounding heart is a dead giveaway. Any weed that causes discomfort isn't worth smoking, so test it or ditch it!

[Slight]

I am not quite sure if even a pro-smoker would notice if the weed is screwed. Just thinking about shops in Amsterdam, where you have uncountable many types of weed.. One will never have smoked the majority of all types of weed, so one will never know the difference between some kind of weed that has never been smoked before by that person and srewed up weed.

[The Blue Meanie]

Originally posted by Dangeruss I don't know what P is, could you provide some info on that one, Meanie? Well, I don't know if the rest of the world calls it "P", but that's what they call it down here. Other colloquial names include crystal meth, crystal, ice, Tina, and glass. Basically, it's either pure Methamphetamine, or has got other chemicals mixed in as well. It's usually smoked, but I believe it can be taken in other ways. Essentially, it's nasty, nasty shit. Leo Volent describes the effects quite well. It fucks people up on a long-term basis, and takes agesto get over. Makes people extremely aggressive and violent, amoung a whole host of other negative consequences. On of the worse things about P / Methamphetamine is that it's so EASY to make. All you need is a whole stackload of any one of a load of readily available prescription drugs, I think that a certain painkiller in NZ, panadine, MAY be one such drug, and a properly equipped meth lab, and a "chemist". This, I believe, is half of the problem with P. P is RUINING the streets in New Zealand, Auckland in particular (the largest city in NZ, where I live). From what I've heard, it's doing the same in other countries. Even over the last three years, the change has been noticeable... As a law student, I also read about, and see in person, a number of cases involving Methamphetamine. In about half of violent criminal cases, its involved somehow. Most people close their eyes to it, dismiss the evening news stories as just sensationalism... I'm usually tempted to do the same, as I come from a upper-middle-class family, and usually wouldn't have much contact with the parts of society in which P use and its effects are most prevalent. (Hopefully this doesn't sound too snobbish... sorry if it does...) Originally posted by Sortilegio First, its Marihuana No, it's not, neccessarily. In English, it's usually Marijuana. This may be a transliteration or adopted from another language originally, but in English, it's Marijuana usually, though Marihuana is also acceptable. In SPANISH, however, it's Marihuana. ANYWAY. In NZ, Marijuana/Marihuana has always been in rather common use, and is widely regarded as mostly harmless, despite being illegal. This, of course, is not totally true. In the few cases where it causes, or helps to cause, schizophrenia, Marijuana can be extremely harmful. It's affected my family in this way, actually: a next-door neighbour of my uncle, and a family freind, had developed schizophrenia from his use of marijuana. He hung himself eventually, and my uncle was the one who had to cut his body down; he's never been the same since (my uncle). However, I still believe that for the vast majority of people, marijuana is about as innocuous as drugs come, and in the vast majority of cases, DESPITE propaganda to the contrary, DOESNT lead on to harder substances. Which is why this process of lacing marijuana with P and/or other more dangerous, addictive substances is abhorrent...

[shark!]

yah if marijuanna was just legalized things like this could be regulated and controlled. I know around here motorcycle gangs somtimes spray pot with horse tranq if its a bad crop. And somtimes shit gets laced with lighter fluid by some not nice muhfuckers. ha so if you live in canada vote for the Marijuanna Party!..pfft they're not gonna win anytime soon anyways.

[Dangeruss]

Originally posted by Slight I am not quite sure if even a pro-smoker would notice if the weed is screwed. Just thinking about shops in Amsterdam, where you have uncountable many types of weed.. One will never have smoked the majority of all types of weed, so one will never know the difference between some kind of weed that has never been smoked before by that person and srewed up weed. There are many, many strains of pot out there, but as far as I know none of them taste like burnt plastic or pills I've had laced weed before, and trust me, there's no mistaking that it's been fucked with. Thanks for clarifying, Meanie. Although I've never met anyone who's into P, I do know that it's some pretty nasty stuff and I'll be quite sure never to get mixed up in it in the future. You're right about its connection to violent crime, too. At least on the news, they seem to associate P with violence. What bugs me about the drug war is that they make blanket statements, saying every illicit drug is just as bad as the rest. When people try pot, mushrooms, lsd, etc and see how relatively harmless they are, they assume that the rest of the drugs out there are harmless as well. This is clearly not the case. As P demonstrates for us clearly, there are some drugs that really ARE as evil as the media and government make them out to be. For my own protection, I decided early on in my drug career which substances to try and which ones to stay the hell away from. There is a dark side to drugs which is much greater than the light side, and so it's easy to get mixed up. Basically I decided that any drug with creative benefits that isn't excessively harmful or addictive is ok, whereas any drug which people take simply for the 'feeling' was very bad. Surprisingly, alcohol and cigarettes, though legal, clearly fall on the dark side according to my system, along with cocaine, opiates, P, Ketamine, etc etc. Pretty much the only drugs I condone are non-addictive psychedelics, which is a pretty narrow category. The rest are dangerous enough to keep me away from them. Unfortunately, the government classifies both the light and dark side drugs as universally evil, and that I think is infinitely more dangerous than simply telling the truth.

[Slight]

Originally posted by Dangeruss There are many, many strains of pot out there, but as far as I know none of them taste like burnt plastic or pills * *I've had laced weed before, and trust me, there's no mistaking that it's been fucked with. True. But if plastic or elements of a pill are in acutal weed (not hash), you don't have to smoke it to feel the difference, because you can flat out see or smell it ... so maybe going on to taste it, might, one day, be one step too far ... Fortunately I have been lucky so far .. no serious brain damage by laced weed

[Lucifer Sam]

Bad people in all areas of the world. Everyone's got thier own load of crap, best not to focus too much on another person's issues or faults, or you may get swallowed by your own. Sometimes, I think, personal responsibility can solve all of your problems. If you're responsible for you, then no one can screw with you by lacing your drugs, or selling you poison, etc. This meth phase will die out. Literally.

[The Blue Meanie]

Originally posted by Dangeruss+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dangeruss)</div> For my own protection, I decided early on in my drug career which substances to try and which ones to stay the hell away from. There is a dark side to drugs which is much greater than the light side, and so it's easy to get mixed up. Basically I decided that any drug with creative benefits that isn't excessively harmful or addictive is ok, whereas any drug which people take simply for the 'feeling' was very bad. Surprisingly, alcohol and cigarettes, though legal, clearly fall on the dark side according to my system, along with cocaine, opiates, P, Ketamine, etc etc. Pretty much the only drugs I condone are non-addictive psychedelics, which is a pretty narrow category. The rest are dangerous enough to keep me away from them. Unfortunately, the government classifies both the light and dark side drugs as universally evil, and that I think is infinitely more dangerous than simply telling the truth.[/b] I agree with every single thing you said here. Alcohol and cigarettes, IMHO, much worse than marijuana. Personally, I still drink alcohol, but it's more for the taste than anything else. I don't smoke, and never have on a regular basis. I don't do other drugs, though... just not my thing, though I fully condone the use of some drugs. <!--QuoteBegin-Lucifer Sam If you're responsible for you, then no one can screw with you by lacing your drugs, or selling you poison, etc. This meth phase will die out. Literally. If you're saying what I think you're saying, Bobby, I'd have to agree, though uneasily. Meth is poison, and it's not just f#cking people up, it's killing them too, whether directly, or indirectly. Unfortunately, we also have to worry about all the innocent university/college kids out there who smoke pot every now and then just for harmless fun, and are totally ignorant of the fact that producers are likely lacing their pot with P and/or other substances. I'd agree, Bobby, that a little more personal responsibility in the world would certainly help a lot of problems... But at least, people need to be made aware of P, and lacing, etc. And NOT by the government, because, and lets face it, no intelligent person trusts a single f#cking word their governement says anymore, and justifiably so.

[Dangeruss]

I wish someone would come along and clean up the government they're causing a lot of needless problems. Originally posted by Lucifer Sam wrote: If you're responsible for you, then no one can screw with you by lacing your drugs, or selling you poison, etc. This meth phase will die out. Literally. You're right, meth will fall out of favor after pseudofed becomes harder to get and awareness of it increases. The problem is, once the craze has been born the drug won't die out, it will still ruin lives at a smaller rate. Then the new drugs come in. PCP maybe? very easily synthesized, impossible to stop its production. Hard drug abusers are out of options and go for it. Now what? People have had power trips on PCP so powerful that they went around killing people with machine guns laughing like madmen. That's even worse than P I think. PCP appeals to anyone as far as effects go, it's a dissociative so it detaches you from reality, makes you feel good/empowered, is addictive, kills tons of brain cells, all the while inducing intense introspective hallucinations. In two words, Dangerous Shit. I think this stuff will eventually catch on if the drug war continues and the only available drugs are the easiest to make, as is already happening with P.

[Rachael309]

Originally posted by Lucifer Sam Bad people in all areas of the world. Everyone's got thier own load of crap, best not to focus too much on another person's issues or faults, or you may get swallowed by your own. Sometimes, I think, personal responsibility can solve all of your problems. If you're responsible for you, then no one can screw with you by lacing your drugs, or selling you poison, etc. This meth phase will die out. Literally. I am sure you mean well, but do not know very much about meth. Its amazing how many people think that you can just walk away from that drug, You cannot. meth gets a grip on you like you cannot believe and I have seen way too many lives ruined and taken from that drug. Southern Calif is home to some of the biggest meth labs in the world besides ND. it not only destroys the lives of the people using it but their family as well. You can say its not best to focus on others faults but when you see moms selling their little daughters for a fix that pretty much tells me , I MUST worry, if not for the person then the welfare of their children. Like it or not we are all connected and we are each other keepers...how sad would the world be if I only cared and focused on my own life...too shallow me for .

[mongreloctopus]

the key to avoiding bad pot is growing your own.

[Howie]

(Unless your body does not produce the correct chemical or the efficient amount) Then in that case subscription drugs are an alternative. Using habit forming drugs for recreational use. The problem---- These drugs alter as we all know how we feel. In part because it may produce the same chemicals that our own body does just in vast amounts. Even in the event that it is a total foreign substance the issue is that after the feeling of the initial high the mere euphoric feeling that our body creates as for itself just does not suffice in comparison any longer . So there is no going back. I would if I could. As a result, users often will do about anything to recreate this feeling of utopia. They justify many many things. It is a downward spiral I would wish upon know one