Bring Saddam Back!

[loveapple]

As all else seems to have failed in Iraq, I wonder if in the end the Americans might be forced to release Saddam and set him up as leader of the country once more? At least under his rule there was law and order and not daily suicide bombings etc. I am sure that some Bush sychophants would buy the strategy and try to tell the rest of the world how clever their president is to come up with such a cunning plan! It is no crazier than some of the other stuff the American regime comes up with!

[Bonsay]

No, it wouldn't work. Some people still hate him, but he did keep order in Iraq before the freedom wars.

[loveapple]

No, it wouldn't work. Some people still hate him, but he did keep order in Iraq before the freedom wars. [/b] But they hate the Americans more than Saddam!

[Ne-yo]

But they hate the Americans more than Saddam! [/b] Not true there is a huge difference in the Iraq people and the Insurgents.

[Neruo]

Intresting point, and I get the idea. After all, Iraq was off Way better with saddam then how it is at the moment. But I think no one really want Saddam back. America wouldn't allow it. American only allows dictators to rule that do not sit in the way of their political -their apperance in the world- or their economical goals. What would be good for Iraq is for the Patriots in Iraq to settle their own government, the problems between the groups in iraq is highy exaggerated, they have lived together for longer then america exists. Way longer. Iraq can build itself. America has to leave, now. Thanks to America every day 100 people get killed, 10 of them Americans themselves. Everyone is accepting, for people of parlament in England to high army ranking commanders that the war failed and retreat is the only option left. EDIT: Hilarious, do you think they Love America? I think 90% of all of the voilance in iraq is caused by America, directly or indirectly. If the illegal occupation of Iraq and Afganistan would end now, the amount of violence would drop in a few months. Most of the people in Iraq arn't religious extremist, they just hate the occupation forces, like I would hate the fucking nazi's if they barged into my house.

[Slight]

I don't think America would admit its fault in the whole war itself by putting Saddam back up on the throne. Everything else will happen before that's gonna become reality. And I am not too much into this whole thing, but common sense tells me that it wasn't better with Saddam, and it isn't better with the Americans and who-not in the country. There is pain - mental and physical pain, it just exists in a different way, but pretty much in the same extend I believe..

[loveapple]

I don't think America would admit its fault in the whole war itself by putting Saddam back up on the throne. Everything else will happen before that's gonna become reality. And I am not too much into this whole thing, but common sense tells me that it wasn't better with Saddam, and it isn't better with the Americans and who-not in the country. There is pain - mental and physical pain, it just exists in a different way, but pretty much in the same extend I believe.. [/b] Regime change needed to come from within Iraq not imposed by the US, who have made a very bad situation much worse, but what's new?

[NeAvO]

Thats a tricky situation though; A) Saddam is given back and continues to threaten every one like when he said he had weapons of mass destruction. B) He isn't given back and the terrorists still bomb ect. Both ways don't seem good.

[Slight]

Regime change needed to come from within Iraq not imposed by the US, who have made a very bad situation much worse, but what's new? [/b] I don't see anyway why the Americans feel to be the "helper" all the time ... it's non of their business what's going on in other countries.

[Burns]

I don't see anyway why the Americans feel to be the "helper" all the time ... it's non of their business what's going on in other countries.[/b] That's what I always thought, too. Let them work it out on their own. But when they start threatening us or our allies, that's when you have to step in and try to do what's right - though I think Bush's ideas of what's right is arguable in some instances.

[Universal Mind]

As all else seems to have failed in Iraq, I wonder if in the end the Americans might be forced to release Saddam and set him up as leader of the country once more? At least under his rule there was law and order and not daily suicide bombings etc. [/b] How is using sarin gas (a WMD) to kill many thousands of your own innocent citizens "law and order"? What about putting people through paper shredders in front of their family members because they were merely suspected of being oppositional? Giving your sons free reign to pick out women in public and rape them? Funding suicide bombers in Israel? Taking over Kuwait? Shooting missiles at Israel? Ruling through fear? Supporting Hamas and Hezbollah? Sending representatives to meet with Al Qaeda? Could you please tell me what in the world you are talking about? This war is about the rest of history, and we are going to have a rest of history without the Hussein regime in power. The people of Iraq will eventually be very appreciative, as a huge chunk of them already are. They will always resent you for your apathy regarding their future freedom and well being. But they hate the Americans more than Saddam! [/b] No, you do. They don't.

[The Blue Meanie]

This war is about the rest of history, and we are going to have a rest of history without the Hussein regime in power. The people of Iraq will eventually be very appreciative, as a huge chunk of them already are. They will always resent you for your apathy regarding their future freedom and well being. No, you do. They don't. [/b] You keep saying this, Universal Mind, but you present ABSOLUTELY NO reputable evidence to support your claims about this supposed support of the Iraqi people. The US are ALREADY suffering such heavy casualties that a withdraweral is even being tossed around in the public arena by high-placed officials within the US administration. And, make no mistake, WHEN the US does withdraw, which is likely to be fairly soon, there WILL be civil war and absolute chaos unless a permanent and LARGE peacekeeping force replaces them. Giving your sons free reign to pick out women in public and rape them?[/b] Oh! You mean like the reported instances, and no doubt MANY unreported ones, of similar things being done by US soldiers? Shooting missiles at Israel? ... Supporting Hamas and Hezbollah? [/b] Oh, man, this is such a common misconception. Hisbollah are NOT a terrorist organisation. They are a stable regime governing Lebanon, they build schools, hospitals, etc. Not only that, but they were able to DEFEAT Israel in the recent war, while not (to my knowledge) mistreating any of the Israeli Prisoners of War they captuyred, the same CAN'T be said of America's conduct towards POWs. Hisbollah is a legitamate, stable, and for the Middle East, remarkably non-oppressive regime. How is using sarin gas (a WMD) to kill many thousands of your own innocent citizens "law and order"? What about putting people through paper shredders in front of their family members because they were merely suspected of being oppositional? ... Ruling through fear? [/b] Actually, it's a very stable form of Law and Order. I don't agree with it, and neither do you, but at least it avoided the carnage and anarchy that is currently running rampant through Iraq. And I'm not alone in this opinion, either: The US put Saddam in place, and don't even TRY to suggest they did not foresee the future nature of his government. The lesser of evils.

[Universal Mind]

You keep saying this, Universal Mind, but you present ABSOLUTELY NO reputable evidence to support your claims about this supposed support of the Iraqi people. The US are ALREADY suffering such heavy casualties that a withdraweral is even being tossed around in the public arena by high-placed officials within the US administration. And, make no mistake, WHEN the US does withdraw, which is likely to be fairly soon, there WILL be civil war and absolute chaos unless a permanent and LARGE peacekeeping force replaces them. Oh! You mean like the reported instances, and no doubt MANY unreported ones, of similar things being done by US soldiers? Oh, man, this is such a common misconception. Hisbollah are NOT a terrorist organisation. They are a stable regime governing Lebanon, they build schools, hospitals, etc. Not only that, but they were able to DEFEAT Israel in the recent war, while not (to my knowledge) mistreating any of the Israeli Prisoners of War they captuyred, the same CAN'T be said of America's conduct towards POWs. Hisbollah is a legitamate, stable, and for the Middle East, remarkably non-oppressive regime. Actually, it's a very stable form of Law and Order. I don't agree with it, and neither do you, but at least it avoided the carnage and anarchy that is currently running rampant through Iraq. And I'm not alone in this opinion, either: The US put Saddam in place, and don't even TRY to suggest they did not foresee the future nature of his government. The lesser of evils. [/b] Here is some information about a survey done in Iraq on how Iraqis felt about Hussein. Are you going to be shocked when you see that he was a pretty hated person? http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/archives/2...aq_archive.html Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization? Uh, yeah they are. Do you agree with their tactics? It is amazing that you can put so much time into trashing the United States and then turn around and say that Hezbollah is an okay bunch of dudes. There is no way you are serious about that. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...llah+terrorist The free reign to rape is not something U.S. soldiers have. If a few have done that, they are not the whole military. Hussein, on the other hand, allowed it and even engaged in it. Get it? At least you admit that forces are needed in Iraq. Putting the U.N. in there would be fine with me. We tried to do that in the first damn place. But sudden withdrawal would be the biggest disaster of all time.

[The Blue Meanie]

The free reign to rape is not something U.S. soldiers have. If a few have done that, they are not the whole military. Hussein, on the other hand, allowed it and even engaged in it. Get it?[/b] Whether or not theyre are MEANT to be raping is sort of besides the point. The point is, it happens, and I'm betting that in the many unreported cases involving US troops, nothing is done about it. At least you admit that forces are needed in Iraq. Putting the U.N. in there would be fine with me. We tried to do that in the first damn place. But sudden withdrawal would be the biggest disaster of all time.[/b] Doesn't matter. It's going to happen anyway because, quite simply: The US LOST the War on Iraq. They may have occupied the country, but they've lost the damned war, just as Napoleon did when he invaded Russia. And, the UN is stretched thinly enough as it is. REGARDLESS of whether I agree with the invasion in the first place, the fact remains that America has fucked up Iraq so bad that they can't STAY, and if they leave, it's going to turn to shit. Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization? Uh, yeah they are. Do you agree with their tactics? It is amazing that you can put so much time into trashing the United States and then turn around and say that Hezbollah is an okay bunch of dudes. There is no way you are serious about that.[/b] There IS such a way. I suggest you do some research into Hisbollah and their aims and principles. You might be suprised. They MAY be dead-set against the destruction of Israel, but let's face it: The methods they use are no worse than those used by Israel.

[Universal Mind]

Whether or not theyre are MEANT to be raping is sort of besides the point. The point is, it happens, and I'm betting that in the many unreported cases involving US troops, nothing is done about it. Doesn't matter. It's going to happen anyway because, quite simply: The US LOST the War on Iraq. They may have occupied the country, but they've lost the damned war, just as Napoleon did when he invaded Russia. And, the UN is stretched thinly enough as it is. REGARDLESS of whether I agree with the invasion in the first place, the fact remains that America has fucked up Iraq so bad that they can't STAY, and if they leave, it's going to turn to shit. There IS such a way. I suggest you do some research into Hisbollah and their aims and principles. You might be suprised. They MAY be dead-set against the destruction of Israel, but let's face it: The methods they use are no worse than those used by Israel. [/b] I have accused you this whole time of only bitching about the U.S. and our allies, but now you are making it very clear that you actually side with our ruthlessly evil enemies, like Hezbollah. I edited in some links since you posted your response, so make sure you look at them. The U.S. has not lost the war in Iraq. You actually sound like you want to believe that. Why? The full process of forming stable democracy from a long severely oppressed population under a brainwashing, terrorist, genocidal dictatorship that rules through paranoia takes a long time. The full results of what we are doing now will not show themselves for decades. Which reminds me... I recently asked you specifically what kind of government you would like to see develop in Iraq. You said you are against democracy there. Do you favor an oppressive dictatorship like the one they had a few years ago? What kind of government would you like to see there, or do you not care as long as it is chosen by at least one member of the country? As for Hezbollah, how is being obsessed with the destruction of Israel not terrorist? Can you name one country the United States wants to blow off the face of the Earth? No, you can't. If there were one, it would have been done. Imagine Hezbollah with our power. What a horrifying thought. But Israel with our power would be nothing like that. Israel defends itself, and that is legitimate. Blowing yourself up in a crowed restaurant so you can screw virgins is not a matter of self defense. It is pure evil. Here are 1.8 million articles about Hezbollah and suicide bombing. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=h...suicide+bombing I think you should do more thinking about what side you want to take in this. Hezbollah does not want you to be free. We do.

[Neruo]

Saddam was a total bitch, maybe a bigger bitch then bush, very maybe. But he wasn't as stupid as Bush to launch a pointless war that would result in a bloody occupation for years. And Saddam also didn't have the power that Bush had, to send soldiers into Iraq that saw all turban wearing people as terrorist. It is a fact that america killed more innocent people then terrorist and Saddam combined. An estimated 650 000. Even if you devide that by ten, you win by far of the terrorists, and maybe even beat Saddam. - And Saddam might use some torture, but so is America. I know in what kind of a country I would rather live. I would rather live in a country with a dictator but free of war, than in a country dictated by an occupation force, a country with still no working democracy (half the iraq parlament is exile in jemen or someting because of their safety, and a total of zero iraqees were involved in writing their consitution), a country where 100 of my fellow inhabitants die every day, a country opressed by checkpoints of the trigger-happy occupants, a country bombed to the stone age. Even if the people in Iraq would have freedom, then can't use it if they are dead, or straped to a water-board. However, since the government in iraq failed (how much have you heard about it lately, strange isn't it?), it is easy to say that Iraq has no democracy, not even a real government at all. The war failed. Not just the goal of exporting something America doens't have, democracy, but america also failed all moral goals, all responsability as the most powerful nation in the world. They have failed not just the countries they have invaded and mislead, they have also failed their own country.