Theoreticals That Will Get You Thinking...

To start, there are planets in existence right now, which revolve around
their sun about 100-124 ish times in one earth day. Theorizing that some
form of life has adapted and started living on a planet like that, they
would have a much more advanced concept of dimensions, speed, distance etc.
(basically they'd be superior to us by far)

Let's assume that these "aliens" are able to travel EXTREME distances in
space (even get to earth)... what would they be like? Well... seeing as how
their bodies had adapted to the strong gravity etc. it's entirely likely
(Quantum physics here) that they would be completely invisible to our
naked eye.

Now, assuming reincarnation were true, and you reincarnated into one
of these beings, and were somehow able to remember your previous life,
would you return to earth to see all of your friends and family,
knowing theycouldn't see you?

And if all this theoretical were true, are there friends and family
who have already done so, and are with us now?


Thought of this the other night while stoned... >_<

I DO plan on researching this in depth, and proposing things to people... so bugger off.

Ah... very theoretical there.

Why would a life form that has adapted to life on a planet with a very fast orbit be superiour?

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Ah... very theoretical there.

Why would a life form that has adapted to life on a planet with a very fast orbit be superiour? [/b]

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it wouldnt.

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what would they be like? Well... seeing as how
their bodies had adapted to the strong gravity etc. it&#39;s entirely likely
(Quantum physics here) that they would be completely invisible to our
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gravity is determined by mass of object not it speed. how would being faster make you invisible unless you run at the speed of light which is impossible quantum and einstein physics if you our made out of mass particle. plus if you were truly invisible your eye would be invisible so light could not be absorbed by your eye they will pass straight through you.

you gave me the idea for another topic thanks

ahem...

It would be revolving around it&#39;s sun at a much quicker pace, which adds way more velocity, way more pressure, and much more energy in general. If a species could adapt to the pressure involved, it would definitely have advantages... It&#39;s like when you go UP really fast... you feel the pressure pulling you down... (elevator)

I&#39;m not saying they&#39;d BE invisible, they just exist in another kind of dimension we are un-aware of, due to our environment, and what we CAN be aware of.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4 <<< i.e. that.

same concept... except this is movement in every direction.

edit: don&#39;t pretend humans know everything about physics... everything we KNOW about quantum physics (in this aspect) is all theoretical.

so in response to him saying "it wouldn&#39;t" so bluntly... he&#39;s naive. (no offence meant)

edit2: compare the circle in this video&#39;s reaction to Dr. Quantum, with humans reactions to ghosts... Now think about the theoretical proposed...

also... (I keep thinking of more to add >_<) OUR gravity is determined by our mass of object... at such speeds, it could be ENTIRELY different...

Kind of OT, but I want to meet creatures from the fourth dimension.

Also, I don&#39;t really understand how the pressure would be greater if the planet revolves faster around the sun. I mean...there&#39;s no centrifugal force? It&#39;s space? I don&#39;t pretend to know anything about this, I&#39;ve studied humanist subjects for the last four years :P

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Originally Posted by becomingagodo

it wouldnt.

gravity is determined by mass of object not it speed. how would being faster make you invisible unless you run at the speed of light which is impossible quantum and einstein physics if you our made out of mass particle. plus if you were truly invisible your eye would be invisible so light could not be absorbed by your eye they will pass straight through you.

you gave me the idea for another topic thanks
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Most of the extra-solar planets we&#39;ve discovered so far are hot-Jupiters, or massive Jupiter like stars in extremely short orbits. So it is very possible for a planet to have 2-3 times the mass of Jupiter and be very close to its parent star.

I guess it&#39;s possible for them to be invisible to us, for example if they were made out of time (whatever time particles are) or dark-energy etc etc. They&#39;d also be a lot more powerful than us. Great idea to think about, but you&#39;d need a lot of education to get anywhere with that.

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Originally Posted by Squall

Most of the extra-solar planets we&#39;ve discovered so far are hot-Jupiters, or massive Jupiter like stars in extremely short orbits. So it is very possible for a planet to have 2-3 times the mass of Jupiter and be very close to its parent star.

I guess it&#39;s possible for them to be invisible to us, for example if they were made out of time (whatever time particles are) or dark-energy etc etc. They&#39;d also be a lot more powerful than us. Great idea to think about, but you&#39;d need a lot of education to get anywhere with that.
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Screw education&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;& #33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
Albert Einstein didn&#39;t need anything further then elementary school, and he discovered Quantum Physics...

Sorry, I just hate today&#39;s age with their bulloney education. (It REALLY sucks)

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It would be revolving around it&#39;s sun at a much quicker pace, which adds way more velocity, way more pressure, and much more energy in general. If a species could adapt to the pressure involved, it would definitely have advantages... It&#39;s like when you go UP really fast... you feel the pressure pulling you down... (elevator) [/b]

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...have the ship proceed with any speed you like, so long as the motion is uniform and not fluctuating this way and that. You will discover not the least change in all the effects named, nor could you tell from any of them whether the ship was moving or standing still.[/b]

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galieo see having something going really fast will have no effect on something if it uniform like the earth orbit around the sun. in simple terms ignoring air atmosphere only gravity effect pressue.

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Great idea to think about, but you&#39;d need a lot of education to get anywhere with that.[/b]

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actually it not their was a stupid program about the if a planet was similar to earth what would the alien be like. it just gave me the idea to write a post about triple helix.

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Albert Einstein didn&#39;t need anything further then elementary school, and he discovered Quantum Physics...[/b]

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Einstein did not discover quantum physics PAM Direc, Schrodinger did also the person who first ran double slit test thomas something. your sound more intelligent if you say william sidis he understood all of mathematics at the age 7 and when he was 2 he could speek latin, engish and russian or you could say picasso or leonardo da vinchi was the only genius i know that did not need further education ( einstein study physics at german university before being kicked out).

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Most of the extra-solar planets we&#39;ve discovered so far are hot-Jupiters, or massive Jupiter like stars in extremely short orbits. So it is very possible for a planet to have 2-3 times the mass of Jupiter and be very close to its parent star. [/b]

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the best candedate for life is a planet called blue moon or blue something i watched a program about it the planet atmosphere was so dense that blue whale flying creature could theortically be their says the team who made program.

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Kind of OT, but I want to meet creatures from the fourth dimension.

Also, I don&#39;t really understand how the pressure would be greater if the planet revolves faster around the sun. I mean...there&#39;s no centrifugal force? It&#39;s space? I don&#39;t pretend to know anything about this, I&#39;ve studied humanist subjects for the last four year[/b]

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your correct pressure would not increase galieo above. fourth dimensional creatures it would proberly look like picasso cubist drawing to us. if their does exsist fourth dimensional creatures then we would not be able to see them all at once we just see bits of it like time whitch is four dimensional the creature if he did come here would see time happening all at once and all laws of causality(cause and effect) would be broken.

another thought if you have seen some of esher work he draws impossible object that work two dimensionally but would not make any sense three dimension i wonder if their is a object that does the same but work in three dimension but not four. anyway off topic again their is a four dimensional rubics cube online just type it in google the hardest puzzle game ever?

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Originally Posted by Meidi

Kind of OT, but I want to meet creatures from the fourth dimension.
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Well it would basicly look like a bunch of random 3D shapes. Think about a 3D ball its basicly made up of loads of 2D shapes that gets bigger and smaller, so if a 3D guy fell in a 2Ds guys universe the 2D guy would see loads of 2D shapes getting bigger and smaller as the 3D guy falls. Its more or less the same with a 4D shape and us.

Im also so into theoretics like dimenstions and time parodoxes and junk :D

Also i want someone to prove to me taht paralelle universes- meaning universes that are the same as ours but with one thing changed - are real. What i mean is saying that we make choises in life and from each choise we make a universe is created, one for if we did it and if we do not. Now i dont belive in this for many reasons, but before i say why see if you can prove them. :P

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the best candedate for life is a planet called blue moon or blue something i watched a program about it the planet atmosphere was so dense that blue whale flying creature could theortically be their says the team who made program.[/b]

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I don&#39;t really understand the last bit of this sentence.

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fourth dimensional creatures it would proberly look like picasso cubist drawing to us. if their does exsist fourth dimensional creatures then we would not be able to see them all at once we just see bits of it like time whitch is four dimensional the creature if he did come here would see time happening all at once and all laws of causality(cause and effect) would be broken.[/b]

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I don&#39;t really think we&#39;d be able to see them at all, or at least we wouldn&#39;t recognize them. I mean, we can imagine time as a process...but we can&#39;t imagine it as a whole. Same with flatlanders, they probably can&#39;t imagine the third dimension as anything else than a process.

Now that I think about it...if there are four dimensional creatures, they&#39;d be able to stay in one place all their lives (similar to how we stay on earth all of our lives); maybe the four-dimensional coordinates of that place is somewhere in time that happened billions of years ago? And that even though they could theoretically move freely within the fourth dimension, there might be similar restraints to it as to our third dimension.

Not that this last part is really even that interesting to discuss, I just thought about it :P

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there might be similar restraints to it as to our third dimension. [/b]

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their is concerning the fifth dimension. it is intresting because every higher dimensional creather would be crappy compared to the ones above them.

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Originally Posted by Meidi

I don&#39;t really think we&#39;d be able to see them at all, or at least we wouldn&#39;t recognize them. I mean, we can imagine time as a process...but we can&#39;t imagine it as a whole. Same with flatlanders, they probably can&#39;t imagine the third dimension as anything else than a process.

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lol im glad you&#39;ve read Flatland lol

Well remember that the square saw the ball as loads of circles, from small to big to small. Basicly the 4th dimension is just another direction, like 3rd dimention is the z axis and 2nd is the x and y.

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Originally Posted by Meidi

Now that I think about it...if there are four dimensional creatures, they&#39;d be able to stay in one place all their lives (similar to how we stay on earth all of our lives); maybe the four-dimensional coordinates of that place is somewhere in time that happened billions of years ago? And that even though they could theoretically move freely within the fourth dimension, there might be similar restraints to it as to our third dimension.
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Exactly, well more or less. A 4D could stay in the same place (if it wanted to) but move in time freely as we can walk around. However the second bit about the billions of years ago i dont think so. And yes the fourth would have restraints to movement, it would not be able to move in the 5th dimention or above, like we cant move in the 4th or above, its all relative :) I love this subject dont stop talking about it&#33;

Also i think that we dont have full access to the 3rd dimention as we can not really use the Z axis fully - we cant fly. But a 4th dimention guy would be able to walk through walls and stuff that we cant but is still on the 3rd dimention as he is not restrained by the same laws we are. he can go through Ana and Kata (out of our dimention and back in) so it would seem as it was walking through the wall but actually "stepping over" it

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Originally Posted by becomingagodo

their is concerning the fifth dimension. it is intresting because every higher dimensional creather would be crappy compared to the ones above them.
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Haha yep. We&#39;re in a low-quality, but fully functional dimension&#33;

That said...I wonder how large their universe would be. It would be expanding in an additional direction&#33; I keep trying to imagine it but I can&#39;t, otherwise I&#39;d make myself fourth-dimensional in an LD :D That&#39;d be something to remember...

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Originally Posted by Meidi

That said...I wonder how large their universe would be. It would be expanding in an additional direction&#33; I keep trying to imagine it but I can&#39;t, otherwise I&#39;d make myself fourth-dimensional in an LD :D That&#39;d be something to remember...
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You may tell me to shut up if you want, im talking too much but anyway.

I belive that we are 4 dimentional anyway -our spirits- and that our dreams are a glimps of that. Our dimention is actually 4D if you think of Flatland - they were 2D but they were still in a 3D universe - a round universe.

Also a 5D guy&#39;s universe is just as large as it is to them as ours is to us, but i dont think its waht you were talking about.

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You may tell me to shut up if you want, im talking too much but anyway.

I belive that we are 4 dimentional anyway -our spirits- and that our dreams are a glimps of that. Our dimention is actually 4D if you think of Flatland - they were 2D but they were still in a 3D universe - a round universe.

Also a 5D guy&#39;s universe is just as large as it is to them as ours is to us, but i dont think its waht you were talking abo [/b]

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i dont believe in that spirit rubbish. however the famous artist marcel duchamp once said we think in four dimension at the dumbest form it time itself that make us think. it essentialy the prinicple of Heraclitus if our brain cells were not constantly changing and firing then we would not be conscious it the fact we change with the fourth dimension that our brain can work theirfore we must be fourth dimension beings even if we cant concieve it.

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Haha yep. We&#39;re in a low-quality, but fully functional dimension&#33;

That said...I wonder how large their universe would be. It would be expanding in an additional direction&#33; I keep trying to imagine it but I can&#39;t, otherwise I&#39;d make myself fourth-dimensional in an LD grin.gif That&#39;d be something to remember... [/b]

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misconception our universe will not have a wall or end point but warps back on itself or their no point when it does that the universe infinte higherdimensional universe will just be warped or infite.

ages ago i came across a website that run by mathematician and they have a way of visualizing higherdimension here website http://www.ncsu.edu/felder-public/ke...s/4dplots.html it very interesting specially if your having trouble imaging it.

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Originally Posted by becomingagodo

i dont believe in that spirit rubbish. [/b]

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Thanks :wtf:

can you explain "auras" and the like to us, then?

whos talking about auras, ah nvm cant be bothered (and dont start saying that youve won and taht i cant prove myself)

its in response to his post about not believing in spirits

I think Mark Twain said it best... (in re: to Galileo etc. being used as example)

"It ain&#39;t what you don&#39;t know that gets you into trouble. It&#39;s what you know for sure that just ain&#39;t so." - Mark Twain

I don&#39;t know who said this, but anyway:

"Be open-minded, but not so open-minded that your brain falls out."

Contemplating "what if&#39;s" is all very well, but it&#39;s useless unless these ideas at least attempt to conform to scientific paradigm and observable phenomena. It might seem conservative, but scientific method is the only way we can ever attain knowledge.

Aliens have allready landed on this earth, they send in a spy of their: McHammer. His endoskeleten forces him to walk like a crab, like we all know from his &#39;U can&#39;t touch this&#39; videoclip.

its all clear now&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Im on to him&#33;

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Originally Posted by OneRyt

I DO plan on researching this in depth, and proposing things to people... so bugger off.
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I&#39;m curious as to what you&#39;re going to research to add to this.

I&#39;d be interested in hearing anything aside from a "you can&#39;t prove me wrong" argument.

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Originally Posted by Roller

I don&#39;t know who said this, but anyway:

"Be open-minded, but not so open-minded that your brain falls out."

Contemplating "what if&#39;s" is all very well, but it&#39;s useless unless these ideas at least attempt to conform to scientific paradigm and observable phenomena. It might seem conservative, but scientific method is the only way we can ever attain knowledge.
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ludicrous&#33;

Scientific is the ONLY way we can attain knowledge&#33; PAH&#33; A pox on pure science&#33; We&#39;ll move beyond the day of science one day, and look back saying "Why the hell did we care about all those details again? ..."

Philosophy > science

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Originally Posted by Keeper

can you explain "auras" and the like to us, then?
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lololol. You don&#39;t ACTUALLY believe in auras, do you know? Besides the fact that it probably is &#39;pagan&#39;:

If you stare at something long enough, your nerve receptors for the color(s) you see most get &#39;used&#39; to the color. If you chance your vision the smallest bit, you will see the negative of the color the person is wearing.

Look at some one in a black dress: White aura. Green dress, red or whatever aura.

TOTAL. BULLCRAP. Thank you.


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Originally Posted by Keeper

Philosophy > science
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Nice ancient way of looking at philosophy. They used to think that by introsection you could &#39;find the higher truth&#39;. As far as I know everyone accepted that sources from the outside are needed to phisophise. Even if you conclue a certain chair appears red to you, that is science in way.

Science > faith. Philosophy > not thinking. They are 2 different subjects, one isn&#39;t better then another.

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Originally Posted by Neruo

lololol. You don&#39;t ACTUALLY believe in auras, do you know? Besides the fact that it probably is &#39;pagan&#39;:
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when did I say I beleived in them?

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If you stare at something long enough, your nerve receptors for the color(s) you see most get &#39;used&#39; to the color. If you chance your vision the smallest bit, you will see the negative of the color the person is wearing.

Look at some one in a black dress: White aura. Green dress, red or whatever aura.
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Actually, I&#39;m talking about the instraments that can see severd limbs and such. Your talking about after image

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Originally Posted by Keeper

Actually, I&#39;m talking about the instruments that can see severed limbs and such. You&#39;re talking about after image.
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Can you provide a link for this, I haven&#39;t heard of this before.

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Originally Posted by OneRyt

Screw education&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;& #33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
Albert Einstein didn&#39;t need anything further then elementary school, and he discovered Quantum Physics...

Sorry, I just hate today&#39;s age with their bulloney education. (It REALLY sucks)
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Yeah, education does suck today. I&#39;m going to be a teacher and it&#39;s amazing how stupid some people are, I feel embarassed at times saying "I&#39;m gonna be an educator" because some studnets are by far smarter than their educators and don&#39;t even know it. I have more good days than bad though and am very happy about being a teacher but I do take the work seriously. Education is good nonetheless though because it helps with that paycheck.

I&#39;m gonna be a teacher, my paycheck will still suck. I&#39;ll teach little kids, second grade preferably, then go back to school a few years later. I want to teach Ancient History in a college ^^

On another note, I got a C in Physical Science. I do much, much better in biology sciences, lol. Thank God I don&#39;t have to go past Physical Science too much.

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Originally Posted by Neruo

lololol. You don&#39;t ACTUALLY believe in auras, do you know? Besides the fact that it probably is &#39;pagan&#39;[/b]

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It doesn&#39;t matter what you do and don&#39;t believe in. We&#39;re all a little Pagan. If you don&#39;t like it and you celebrate Christmas, don&#39;t decorate your Christmas Tree. That&#39;s a Pagan Ritual from Yule (basically winter). They decorate those kind of trees with ornaments resembling life to remind the trees about life so they come back to life after winter. We now know, of course, this is a natural occurence in nature that can be obtained without little decorative reminders ^^

Don&#39;t use medicine, especially those with herbs just to calm a stressed person down and such. That comes from Pagan days too.

Everything comes from a Pagan society somehow it seems. Yeah, you have different religions: Christianity, Baptism, Catholocism, a lot of different religions that seem the same, then you have Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. You&#39;d still be surprised by how far our whole society is based off of old principles without us knowing.

In America, (I don&#39;t know who&#39;s from where on this forum) we have a 180 day school year. Why? Agricultural purposes from the past. It was more convenient for children to go to school but have the summer off to help the family harvest. We still have this typical school year.

Why do we have school? Well, everyone needed to know how to read at least a LITTLE bit so they could read the Bible. America would have never had schools (at least when it did) if it wasn&#39;;t for the religious influences of the days of old. Now we mostly seperate religion and education (or attempt to in some cases) but we wouldn&#39;t have what we do have now if it wasn&#39;t for the fact that it ocne wasn&#39;t seperated.

Why does American currency still say, "In God We Trust"? Well, whether you bbelieve in God or not, isn&#39;t really important. It&#39;s a historical fact that the forefathers were creating, what they called, a nation under God. Can you blame them though? I mean, they were in BIG trouble when it came time to seperate from Britain. They were taking HUGE risks in becoming their own country so they had to look somewhere for hope. It may have been successful but it was a very scary situation.

OMG I DONT BELIEVE IN AURAS FFS AND IM NOT PAGAN&#33;

GOD, YOU TWIST THINGS&#33;

We have to make a lot of assumptions really.
I think that any possible time travel in a universe would obtain much higher intelligence than we currently have. So you could say they are superior in that regard.
But let&#39;s say that a parallel universe exists and including the talk of quantum physics, there could be an entirely new set of standards that are being used. Physics as we know it may be obsolete. There is no way for us to see this, looking from inside our universe.

We have seen in our own race. Humans have evolved to rely on a more mental status than that of instinct. Larger brain cavities and all that comes with our sentience.
I think in large, that is why most aliens are depicted as large headed bug eyed creatures. Not relying on brute or brawn, but rather intellect.

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udicrous&#33;

Scientific is the ONLY way we can attain knowledge&#33; PAH&#33; A pox on pure science&#33; We&#39;ll move beyond the day of science one day, and look back saying "Why the hell did we care about all those details again? ..."

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That&#39;s a strange idea you have - that science and philosophy are somehow opposites or even incompatible. Even stranger when you realise that the philosophy of knowledge (entemology) shows that the only way we can obtain knowledge is through scientific method. We can only obtain knowledge by achieving an objective view of the world, and the only way this can be done is through pursuing scientific discipline - ie. not just proposing wild fantasies and using them to support wilder conclusions, but examining credible evidence.

I don&#39;t know what kind of philosophy you&#39;re thinking of, but I think you&#39;ve got it mixed up with fantasy.

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yeah theology

a good talk about higher dimensions and the nature of life on other planet end up as a religious debate.

things tend to do that here

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Why did you say that to me? I don&#39;t think aura&#39;s are silly because they are pagan, I think they are silly because there is no scientific evidence for them, yet I am sure research has been done.

But yes, christianity is filled with paganism. Even the &#39;die on the cross, then ressusect&#39; is stolen from other &#39;pagan&#39; religions that lived around 0 b.c.

I&#39;m still waiting for evidence as to these after-image cameras...

You could at least provide me with a link stating that they were on Noah&#39;s ark. :content: