Dateline: To Catch A Predator

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03-30-2007, 06:15 PM
wendylove

Has anybody seen this NBC show I know it popular in america. If you haven't you can watch it on youtube. Well is it fair to show the people faces. Just think about it their pedophiles so they do deserve some punishment, but being shamed and made fun off on tv. Is it going to far as when the show airs they would have aload off problems to deal with as the public would know who they are and they going to court. Also the show seems like a bad joke as the presenters reads out the manuscipt of the person and you can't help, but laugh and this is the problem the show tries to be funny as in the time where they made that guy strip naked and they even read out his fantasy about a girl doing a sex act on a cat. Is it right to shame them like this and make fun off them for ratings.
03-30-2007, 07:26 PM
Chaos

I've watched the show a couple of times, but missed the particular one you're talking about. In general, the only thing I really have against shows like that is that they practically tell criminals how to commit crimes and then how to hide the evidence afterwards. Shows like this are the reason for the increase of crime, not video games. All you have to do is watch the show, and you could be an expert thief/murderer/whatever.

As for them ridiculing criminals for ratings, in some cases they probably deserve it. For instance, if you have a guy who has been on a raping spree for however much time, he definitely deserves whatever he gets. I feel no pity for people like that, in fact I think they should create harsher punishments for them.
03-30-2007, 10:12 PM
Talon

You know how many times that I have watched those shows and thought to myself exactly how I could get away with it? I would never do it, it's just the thought process in my head lol. I agree. The problems with shows like that, is that they do show you exactly how to get away with crimes at least for a little while.

But I have to admit, I love me some CSI lol.
03-31-2007, 03:25 AM
Universal Mind

I think that show scares the Hell out of pedophiles and makes them less likely to troll the internet for kids. The people they show are usually after kids who are 12 and 13, and that is not as evil as going after 7 year olds and stuff, but they still have no business doing it and need major deterrance. National humiliation looks pretty powerful. Imagine having a 13 year old sister and some 56 year old going to your parents' house to have at it with her. It can't happen. They need to do the right thing and go after college girls.
03-31-2007, 04:11 AM
Brilliand

My question is, can they do that without the pedophiles' permission? I have no problem with the criminals voluntarily humiliating themselves.
03-31-2007, 04:13 AM
xcrissxcrossx

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My question is, can they do that without the pedophiles' permission? I have no problem with the criminals voluntarily humiliating themselves.[/b]

yeah, its freedom of the press. it happens to celebrities all the time. they dont give permission for some photos but they still end up on TV.
03-31-2007, 04:34 AM
Brilliand

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Originally Posted by xcrissxcrossx

yeah, its freedom of the press. it happens to celebrities all the time. they dont give permission for some photos but they still end up on TV.[/b]

But what the pedophiles have to do for the show? "as in the time where they made that guy strip naked and they even read out his fantasy about a girl doing a sex act on a cat." That sounds like the guy gave permission.

Identifying the person to the public is OK, to my mind. I agree with freedom of the press - if it's true, and they didn't make the person do it, it's OK to tell it.
03-31-2007, 09:56 AM
Moonbeam

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Originally Posted by Brilliand

But what the pedophiles have to do for the show? "as in the time where they made that guy strip naked and they even read out his fantasy about a girl doing a sex act on a cat." That sounds like the guy gave permission.[/b]

I saw that one that one. No, I'm pretty sure he didn't give permission.

They ought to expand that so pedophiles can never be sure who they are talking to. Hire a bunch of people to bait them. People could even volunteer to do it for free. It would cut down on it a lot I think.
03-31-2007, 06:27 PM
Neruo

Like that movie by arnold swartzenegger. Anyhow. It is all about the ratings. Ethics? What are those? Does it sell?
03-31-2007, 06:59 PM
Moonbeam

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Like that movie by arnold swartzenegger. Anyhow. It is all about the ratings. Ethics? What are those? Does it sell?[/b]

Do you think it's unethical? No they haven't had a trial, but they all think tbey are coming to the house to have sex with a child. Have you seen it?
03-31-2007, 08:37 PM
Neruo

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Do you think it's unethical? No they haven't had a trial, but they all think tbey are coming to the house to have sex with a child. Have you seen it?[/b]

Yeah. Basically, what they do is make fun of the mentally challenged, the mentally sick. Some of the pedophiles are just a bit weak in the head, and should be taken care of, therapy or something -locked up if that is better for them and the rest of the world-, not ridiculed on national TV. That they 'Catch' the pedophiles is great, but I really find it sick to show it on tv. It isn't so different from showing people getting the death sentence on tv. They shouldn't air that either, despite whether the people on the chair earned it or not.

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If you want to 'make them pay' by showing them on TV, or something like that, that is just sadistic. Law and it's punishments should work on bettering society, not on revenge and retaliation. If you shoot the man that shot your child, you aren't helping anyone.
03-31-2007, 09:02 PM
CymekSniper

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If you shoot the man that shot your child, you aren't helping anyone.[/b]

But what if he lives to shoot more children? He might escape from prison and go on a killing spree. Isn't the killer just a waste of space anyway? Useless to society? He isn't ever going to help anyone and they need the space in prisons. If you kill the killer you make him taste his own crimes. I think the death penalty should be legalized everywhere.

As for the pedophiles, they aren't making fun of them as much as you think they are. Something tells me you don't have a good understanding of American humor. They are exposing these criminals as wrongdoers and hopefully scaring them into never doing it again.
03-31-2007, 10:01 PM
Neruo

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

But what if he lives to shoot more children? He might escape from prison and go on a killing spree. Isn't the killer just a waste of space anyway? Useless to society? He isn't ever going to help anyone and they need the space in prisons. If you kill the killer you make him taste his own crimes. I think the death penalty should be legalized everywhere.[/b]

Yes I get what you are saying. However, if YOU shot a man because he shot your children, you are doing it not for the best of society, you are probably doing it out of vengeance. You shouldn't be allowed to take right into your own hands. Law should do that.

Example: If someone gets the death penalty, would the relatives of the people he raped like to see him get eaten alive by wild dogs? Probably. However that serves no purpose but vengeance, retaliation. If you are taking the person out of society because that it better for it (he is sure to rape again), then do it in a humane, painless way.

With pedophiles: Who benefits from seeing the pedophiles on TV? How does the goal of the law benefit? If they just get caught and send to jail / therapy, that is the best you can do. They aren't going to behave better after they got ridiculed on TV. So the only goal it serves is vengeance on the 'bad' people (and money for the company that airs the show :)) That is my point.

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As for the pedophiles, they aren't making fun of them as much as you think they are. Something tells me you don't have a good understanding of American humor. They are exposing these criminals as wrongdoers and hopefully scaring them into never doing it again.[/b]

Like how introduction death penalties never change crime numbers? Really, making those people afraid doesn't work. Also, you aren't going to tell me they air the show, not because people like to see people they get getting owned, but that they watch it 'to make sure pedophiles are scared into doing it'. It is about entertainment, about the money.
03-31-2007, 10:52 PM
CymekSniper

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Example: If someone gets the death penalty, would the relatives of the people he raped like to see him get eaten alive by wild dogs? Probably. However that serves no purpose but vengeance, retaliation. If you are taking the person out of society because that it better for it (he is sure to rape again), then do it in a humane, painless way.[/b]

I agree 100%. Still do they not deserve to see him put away in jail or killed by the death penalty? The perpetrator committed a crime against an innocent person and deserves just punishment.

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Originally Posted by Neruo

If you are taking the person out of society because that it better for it (he is sure to rape again), then do it in a humane, painless way.[/b]

Lethal Injection.

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Like how introduction death penalties never change crime numbers?[/b]

They have been around too long to tell.

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Really, making those people afraid doesn't work.[/b]

Actually it does in some cases, but there are still many people who will commit the crime.

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Also, you aren't going to tell me they air the show, not because people like to see people they get getting owned, but that they watch it 'to make sure pedophiles are scared into doing it'. It is about entertainment, about the money.[/b]

True, but the show can still serve the purpose I stated.

Hopefully the pedophiles will get nervous seeing the dateline NBC series and not act on their urges.
03-31-2007, 10:52 PM
Moonbeam

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Yeah. Basically, what they do is make fun of the mentally challenged, the mentally sick. Some of the pedophiles are just a bit weak in the head, and should be taken care of, therapy or something -locked up if that is better for them and the rest of the world-, not ridiculed on national TV. That they 'Catch' the pedophiles is great, but I really find it sick to show it on tv. It isn't so different from showing people getting the death sentence on tv. They shouldn't air that either, despite whether the people on the chair earned it or not.

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If you want to 'make them pay' by showing them on TV, or something like that, that is just sadistic. Law and it's punishments should work on bettering society, not on revenge and retaliation. If you shoot the man that shot your child, you aren't helping anyone.[/b]

I wondered what you would say. I see what you mean, except for I don't think they're just a bit weak in the head, I think they're a lot worse than that. Actually I don't think people should be trapped into any other crime, and then have it shown as entertainment, so maybe I should think about why I think this is OK. I guess it is just the nature of that crime and the sliminess of the perpetrators. The only benefit it would have would be as a deterrent, but I'm sure it's not widespread enough really to actually scare very many. They could probably do the same thing without showing it as entertainment tho. You're probably right, we should be above watching that, altho if I realize it's on I go watch it. I don't think they just need a little counseling tho, they need locking up forever.

I agree with you about taking the revenge element out; prevention of further harm should be the main goal. If society has extra money, I guess rehabilitation for some (lesser) crimes is worth a shot. I think there should be a lot fewer laws tho, so there would be a lot less need for prisons and rehabilitation.
03-31-2007, 11:23 PM
Neruo

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

I agree 100%. Still do they not deserve to see him put away in jail or killed by the death penalty? The perpetrator committed a crime against an innocent person and deserves just punishment.[/b]

Yeah really no doubt that the law should made sure people that are really damaging society get removed from it in some way, no real debate their. However, the question whether (relatives of) the victim deserves some sort of (personal) vengeance on the criminal, that is a pretty though question... I mean

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Lethal Injection.[/b]

I completely agree. If you are going to 'put someone down', lethal injection is by far the most humane way to do it. (In some states they have gas chambers still, I read somewhere.)

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They have been around too long to tell.[/b]

Well, I have a hard time finding it in the Internet, but I read in a magazine that in a certain country or state in America, they introduced the capitol punishment, or abolished it, and it had very little effect on the crime numbers. Also, not All countries have capitol punishment ;)

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Actually it does in some cases, but there are still many people who will commit the crime.

True, but the show can still serve the purpose I stated.

Hopefully the pedophiles will get nervous seeing the dateline NBC series and not act on their urges.[/b]

Yes, I guess some pedophiles will be scared. However, I rather seem them all helped by therapy or by locking them up.. I still have some objections with the exploiting of not just criminals, but people that have a mental disorder that they can do little about personally... But hey, maybe some criminals are born criminal.. and you can still blame them.

Anyhow, I rather have seen pedophiles be caught and scared in another way then this. But it isn't the end of the world.

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

I wondered what you would say. I see what you mean, except for I don't think they're just a bit weak in the head, I think they're a lot worse than that.[/b]

Pedophiles you mean? I personally think some of them might be born Pedophile, like gay people... that really makes judging them a bit difficult. Of course, they shouldn't have sex with children under any circumstances, so often locking them up is best for everyone. Yet in a way, you are blaming them for something they were born with.. ah well. Sometimes they really are assholes too.

Yeah typing this I remembered how many pedophiles always seem like they have No feeling of guilty, really don't give a shit about the children they are mentally just obliterating... okay, maybe pedophiles Can be blamed for being sick, life-destroying assholes ^__^

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Actually I don't think people should be trapped into any other crime, and then have it shown as entertainment, so maybe I should think about why I think this is OK. I guess it is just the nature of that crime and the sliminess of the perpetrators. The only benefit it would have would be as a deterrent, but I'm sure it's not widespread enough really to actually scare very many. They could probably do the same thing without showing it as entertainment tho. You're probably right, we should be above watching that, altho if I realize it's on I go watch it. I don't think they just need a little counseling tho, they need locking up forever.[/b]

Actually, I wonder if it is entrapment. It might be. Not all 13-year-old girls on the Internet are as slutty as the cops posing as the girl... Anyhow, besides that pedophiles should indeed be put away in someway, the program can still be crap. Like "cops". I might agree with them arresting a man hitting his wife, but I really don't want to see it, and think it is silly people want to see it.

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I agree with you about taking the revenge element out; prevention of further harm should be the main goal. If society has extra money, I guess rehabilitation for some (lesser) crimes is worth a shot. I think there should be a lot fewer laws tho, so there would be a lot less need for prisons and rehabilitation.[/b]

Yes some laws are just silly. Also, rehabilitation should be done more. Most of the people don't go to prison once. 75% of the people that gets arrested and put in prison, comes back a second (or more) time... Prison is a great school... a school for criminal activities. In the long run, better rehabilitation would pay off, and make society better.

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I think I am going to make a topic on Pedophiles.. and other crime perhaps.
04-01-2007, 04:30 AM
CymekSniper

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Well, I have a hard time finding it in the Internet, but I read in a magazine that in a certain country or state in America, they introduced the capitol punishment, or abolished it, and it had very little effect on the crime numbers. Also, not All countries have capitol punishment ;)[/b]

In America there have always been punishments for crimes so I guess fear has less to do with the death penalty and more to do with punishment in general. If criminals are not afraid for their crimes then I guess that means we just need to put them away faster.

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Yes, I guess some pedophiles will be scared. However, I rather seem them all helped by therapy or by locking them up.. I still have some objections with the exploiting of not just criminals, but people that have a mental disorder that they can do little about personally... But hey, maybe some criminals are born criminal.. and you can still blame them.

Anyhow, I rather have seen pedophiles be caught and scared in another way then this. But it isn't the end of the world.[/b]

It does make good television after all. :wink:
04-01-2007, 05:03 AM
Moonbeam

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Actually, I wonder if it is entrapment. It might be. Not all 13-year-old girls on the Internet are as slutty as the cops posing as the girl... Anyhow, besides that pedophiles should indeed be put away in someway, the program can still be crap. Like "cops". I might agree with them arresting a man hitting his wife, but I really don't want to see it, and think it is silly people want to see it.
Yes some laws are just silly. Also, rehabilitation should be done more. Most of the people don't go to prison once. 75% of the people that gets arrested and put in prison, comes back a second (or more) time... Prison is a great school... a school for criminal activities. In the long run, better rehabilitation would pay off, and make society better.[/b]

Yea, but if the guy knows they're 13 it doesn't matter how "slutty" they seem (I'm glad Leo's not here).

You're right, I don't want to see anybody hitting their wife, stealing a car, speeding...altho there are shows about that too. I just don't watch them, seems kind of boring. I don't know why I like seeing the pedophiles getting caught. A better produced program, maybe. I'm sure that will get boring too after a while.

If the drug laws were revoked, that would get rid of a huge amount of the prison population. Get rid of the other victimless crimes, there goes some more, plus a lot of expense in that enforcement, etc. I think prison should be reserved for the violent.
04-01-2007, 11:39 AM
Neruo

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

In America there have always been punishments for crimes so I guess fear has less to do with the death penalty and more to do with punishment in general. If criminals are not afraid for their crimes then I guess that means we just need to put them away faster.[/b]

Trowing people in jail isn't always the answer. Often it is for cereal killers, but for a heroin addict that is so wired to get his fix he goes out stealing, either rehabilitation is better, or even just giving them heroin. They do that in some countries, it works wonders. Junkies don't have to steal, since you just can't change some junkies.

Also, if someone, lets say, breaks into a shop with some friends, being stupid adolescents, and gets thrown in jail, chances are he will just get more violent and criminal once he gets out. Proper rehabilitation often works, and in the long run, is cheaper.

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It does make good television after all. :wink:[/b]

In the Netherlands we have a saying: "About taste, there can be no argument." Everyone likes different things ":wink:

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Also, moonbeam, I totally agree that they should stop putting drug users in prison (in America). It costs the state billions of dollars, and just ruins lives the kid's lives more then marijuana ever could. Since like 50% of America has smoked marijuana at one time, probably including the president, I don't see why they get that drug legal: It would even take care of the Real criminals, if done properly. The stoner kids aren't criminals, the dealers mostly are. Rich, criminal assholes. If you put one away, another one will take his place. Legalizing drugs, and letting the government grow proper save drugs to be strictly sold in special shops with proper I.D.-ing and even making sure there is a maximum to buy each day. That would put the drugs dealers out of business. If done with cocaine or XTC or something, overdoses would drop dramatically thanks to good information and drugs you actually know what is in it and how much.

Anyhow, way off topic there : )
04-01-2007, 04:36 PM
CymekSniper

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Trowing people in jail isn't always the answer. Often it is for cereal killers, but for a heroin addict that is so wired to get his fix he goes out stealing, either rehabilitation is better, or even just giving them heroin. They do that in some countries, it works wonders. Junkies don't have to steal, since you just can't change some junkies.[/b]

It was still his choice in the first place to start taking heroin. If they don't throw him in jail, he might get high one day and decide to go driving or, depending on what drug he is taking, he could become violent and hurt somebody. Drugs affect everyone around the person who is taking them. It is a danger to society.

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Also, if someone, lets say, breaks into a shop with some friends, being stupid adolescents, and gets thrown in jail, chances are he will just get more violent and criminal once he gets out. Proper rehabilitation often works, and in the long run, is cheaper.[/b]

True, however America is much more lenient about drugs than you think. You won't get thrown in jail on your first offense, you will probably have to pay a fine and have a spot on your record but you won't get thrown in jail.

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Also, moonbeam, I totally agree that they should stop putting drug users in prison (in America). It costs the state billions of dollars, and just ruins lives the kid's lives more then marijuana ever could. Since like 50% of America has smoked marijuana at one time, probably including the president, I don't see why they get that drug legal: It would even take care of the Real criminals, if done properly. The stoner kids aren't criminals, the dealers mostly are. Rich, criminal assholes. If you put one away, another one will take his place. Legalizing drugs, and letting the government grow proper save drugs to be strictly sold in special shops with proper I.D.-ing and even making sure there is a maximum to buy each day. That would put the drugs dealers out of business. If done with cocaine or XTC or something, overdoses would drop dramatically thanks to good information and drugs you actually know what is in it and how much.

Anyhow, way off topic there : )[/b]

I have not completely decided my standing on that. If they legalize marijuana then the government could regulate it and drive down the price to where it would be the cheapest drug out there which would cause the drug users to buy it and starve the drug dealers out of business. Perhaps the government could regulate how marijuana is grown which would make it less potent. The drug has after all, changed and become more potent and more powerful therefore more dangerous since the 70s. The government could also regulate the quantity sold. I am not sure if this would cause an increase in drug users or not. If education about drugs stays and using drugs is frowned upon in the eyes of society, this could be a good thing.

Boy we are off topic here though. This thread is supposed to be about pedophiles. lol.
04-01-2007, 04:53 PM
Neruo

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

It was still his choice in the first place to start taking heroin. If they don't throw him in jail, he might get high one day and decide to go driving or, depending on what drug he is taking, he could become violent and hurt somebody. Drugs affect everyone around the person who is taking them. It is a danger to society.[/b]

People getting aggressive from drugs? And getting into a car and being dangerous? What does that remind me of? Alcohol. The number one drug for causing fights and traffic deaths.

Actually Alcohol really is by far the most aggressive-making drug I know of, by far. Still, okay, some junkies still might to bad things. Well actually, I doubt it. With heroin you really don't feel like fighting or driving, from what I know of it.

Still, if people were given drugs if they can't stop by themselves, to prevent them from having to steal, I do agree that they can be dangerous somewhat. Certainly don't give them drivers licenses.

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True, however America is much more lenient about drugs than you think. You won't get thrown in jail on your first offense, you will probably have to pay a fine and have a spot on your record but you won't get thrown in jail.[/b]

Doesn't it really depend on the state? I heard drug laws are not so kind in Florida for example. But it is right that sometimes they try to rehabilitate drug users rather then send them to crime-school (prison).

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I have not completely decided my standing on that. If they legalize marijuana then the government could regulate it and drive down the price to where it would be the cheapest drug out there which would cause the drug users to buy it and starve the drug dealers out of business. Perhaps the government could regulate how marijuana is grown which would make it less potent. The drug has after all, changed and become more potent and more powerful therefore more dangerous since the 70s.[/b]

You are somewhat right: Drug dealers would be out of bussines. No reason to buy weed illegally if you can get clean weed elsewhere. Hell, the government wouldn't have to smuggle, so they could sell weed for the price of tomatoes if they wanted. However, I would say some big taxes to keep the illegal drugs out. Also, taxes will compensate more then 100 times the (medical) damage that marijuana causes. Really, where did you get the idea marijuana is dangerous? No one ever died from overdose. No-one! People did from alcohol. Smoking it is a bit unhealthy.. noting comparing to tobacco, millions have died from lung cancer thanks to it. It doesn't matter how potent marijuana is, THC (active chemical in weed) can't be dangerous in any quantities, unless you drive perhaps. And even if they do, stoned you might drive better then drunk.

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The government could also regulate the quantity sold. I am not sure if this would cause an increase in drug users or not. If education about drugs stays and using drugs is frowned upon in the eyes of society, this could be a good thing.
Boy we are off topic here though. This thread is supposed to be about pedophiles. lol.[/b]

yeah way off topic. I would have to say that from what I heard, drugs are so easy to come by (in big cities) that it would certainly reduce drug use. If you get an electronic I.D system you could restrict people buying more then they probably use themselves, so you can restrict kids from smoking marijuana by probably a lot. Also, if you don't have to go do a dealer for marijuana, by far the most popular illegal drug in America, then there is a bigger chance the dealer doesn't try to sell you some crappy cocaine with grinded light bulbs in them to make the cocaine look shiny (they actually do that sometimes, sick).

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Maybe just give pedophiles a drug that does the opposite Viagra does, and totally removes their libido? : )
04-01-2007, 10:46 PM
CymekSniper

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People getting aggressive from drugs? And getting into a car and being dangerous? What does that remind me of? Alcohol. The number one drug for causing fights and traffic deaths.

Actually Alcohol really is by far the most aggressive-making drug I know of, by far. Still, okay, some junkies still might to bad things. Well actually, I doubt it. With heroin you really don't feel like fighting or driving, from what I know of it.

Still, if people were given drugs if they can't stop by themselves, to prevent them from having to steal, I do agree that they can be dangerous somewhat. Certainly don't give them drivers licenses.[/b]

I honestly wish alchohol would be banned all together. I have the experiences of being around a raging alcoholic of which I will not speak of. Unfortunately alcohol is used by too many people to ban it now.

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Doesn't it really depend on the state? I heard drug laws are not so kind in Florida for example. But it is right that sometimes they try to rehabilitate drug users rather then send them to crime-school (prison).[/b]

Yes I suppose it does depend on the state but for the most part I would say you won't get put in jail first offense.

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You are somewhat right: Drug dealers would be out of bussines. No reason to buy weed illegally if you can get clean weed elsewhere. Hell, the government wouldn't have to smuggle, so they could sell weed for the price of tomatoes if they wanted. However, I would say some big taxes to keep the illegal drugs out. Also, taxes will compensate more then 100 times the (medical) damage that marijuana causes. Really, where did you get the idea marijuana is dangerous? No one ever died from overdose. No-one! People did from alcohol. Smoking it is a bit unhealthy.. noting comparing to tobacco, millions have died from lung cancer thanks to it. It doesn't matter how potent marijuana is, THC (active chemical in weed) can't be dangerous in any quantities, unless you drive perhaps. And even if they do, stoned you might drive better then drunk.[/b]

Read this article.

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Maybe just give pedophiles a drug that does the opposite Viagra does, and totally removes their libido? : )[/b]

Actually that isn't a bad idea....
04-02-2007, 03:28 AM
juroara

you know I really dont understand why there are shows like this to begin with. Its like the news and what gets on the news. is anything that gets on the news really news? is any of it necessary? is it anyones business if so and so died in an accident other than the loved ones, is it anyones business that such and such family broke out in a bbq fight. . . ?
04-02-2007, 04:37 AM
Universal Mind

Drugs have to be legal. Alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs there is, and the banning of it got so out of hand that the prohibition amendment had to be repealed. I don't see what is different about the other drugs. Drug prohibition is a disastrous nightmare, and it goes against individual liberty. Nobody goes out killing so they can steal the money to buy a 12 pack of beer or a pack or even a carton of cigarettes. That is because alcohol and tobacco are so inexpensive when legal that nobody has to do outrageous things to get a hold of them. Tobacco kills 1/3 of its users, but it too gets some very strange exemption. Alcohol and tobacco have immensely powerful lobbies, and that is why. Imagine what would happen if tobacco were banned. Can you imagine what people having nicotine fits would be willing to do to get their hands on tobacco? One cigarette pack worth of tobacco would cost like $50, and one crime after another would get committed so addicts could have their tobacco. A three pack a day smoker would have to come up with $150 a day to support the habit. The world of prostitution would suddenly have a lot of new members. The same is true of all of the drugs. That has a lot to do with the crime problem we now have.

We have two choices.

1. Drugs are illegal and we have the gangster problem and robbery/murder problem we now have and the drugs themselves are less pure and therefore more dangerous. Drug addicts destroy themselves any way and destroy the people around them. The government keeps spending approximately $700 per second on the war on drugs.

2. Drugs are legal and the gangs lose power (and so would the pop culture of gangster bullshit that is so huge in the U.S. today) and stop killing each other and addicts mind their own business and destroy themselves without destroying the people around them and the people they go out to mug and burglarize. The government spends nothing on the war on drugs because there isn't one.

Very importantly, if I want to sit in my living room and get high, that is my decision, not anybody else's. Nobody has any business telling me I may not do it. Freedom is a virtue.
04-02-2007, 05:06 AM
juroara

I actually dont like drugs of any kind - I dont drink. But I agree, I mean alcohol is as bad as it gets and yet its very legal.
04-02-2007, 07:15 AM
NewAge541

The way I look at it is, if the person is willing to go and commit those kinds of acts, they deserve to be shamed in front of everyone. Everyone needs to know what kind of sickos exist and who they are. They're actually going easy on these kinds of people compared to what SHOULD be done to them.
04-02-2007, 11:54 AM
Neruo

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Read this article.[/b]

Yeeeess... what is the point? THC level have gone up like 1000% since the seventies, that still doesn't make it dangerous like alcohol is dangerous.

Also, I agree with Universal on this subject.

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

The way I look at it is, if the person is willing to go and commit those kinds of acts, they deserve to be shamed in front of everyone. Everyone needs to know what kind of sickos exist and who they are. They're actually going easy on these kinds of people compared to what SHOULD be done to them.[/b]

They 'deserve' that? What purpose has that? It isn't quite helping society, is it? Isn't it pure sadism then? I understand why people would like to see pedophiles get mentally abused as much as their victims, but that really doesn't make Anyone better. They should just be put in jail or a mental hospital, and not be released until certain they will never do it again.
04-02-2007, 09:27 PM
wasup

As Neruo said... I don't think it's really "helping."

Please correct me wrong here, as I am not TOO familiar with the show and I might have the wrong interpretation here... buttt...

For one, they couldn't throw one of those people in jail. They haven't actually DONE anything yet. They can't be convincted of anything, because they didn't actually do anything. Even if they were convicted for "intent" to do something (which I don't think would happen), it would obviously not be for very long. I think that national humiliation would just make them much, much more agressive/sociopathic because of how mad they are at the world. They probably wouldn't care too much about "subtletly."
04-02-2007, 11:39 PM
CymekSniper

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Yeeeess... what is the point? THC level have gone up like 1000% since the seventies, that still doesn't make it dangerous like alcohol is dangerous.[/b]

More addiction, stronger effects in both health and highness. There are many bad things that this could cause.

I also kinda agree with universal but I am still not too sure. The question of whether or not this would cause an increased number of drug users still remains. We wouldn't want too many additional drug users because that would decay so many precious American minds but then again it's better than having a bunch of cocaine and heroine users running around.
04-03-2007, 12:26 PM
Neruo

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

More addiction, stronger effects in both health and highness. There are many bad things that this could cause.[/b]

Where have you gotten this 'education'? THC is hardly addictive, only slightly psychological. Like food. Heck, a larger percentage of people in the western world that eat get psychologically addicted / health problems with food, then people that do marijuana get psychologically addicted /heath problems from marijuana.

Nicotine is FAR more addictive, as is alcohol. I don't see your problem with Marijuana, a drug that has proven to be one of the most harmless drugs out there.

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I also kinda agree with universal but I am still not too sure. The question of whether or not this would cause an increased number of drug users still remains. We wouldn't want too many additional drug users because that would decay so many precious American minds but then again it's better than having a bunch of cocaine and heroine users running around.[/b]

Well, people in the Netherlands can buy marijuana in shops, and we don't have that much drug users here to my knowledge. I remembered reading that in America, more people/teenagers smoke weed then here.

How does marijuana decays 'precious American minds'? Do you think that if you smoke weed once or twice a month with your friends you turn into a worthless, criminal, people-killing slacker? People can function just fine if they do marijuana every now and then like in the weekend. I saw this documentary about medical marijuana in the US, and this lawyer said he smokes 3 joints a day, an amount that probably only 5% or less of the marijuana users in the US smoke, and he functioned fine at his job.

Drugs aren't as dangerous as you think. Nascar is dangerous too, and it gives the people that do it a high to, but you don't see that getting banned : / Drugs have risks like any other thing, thus it should be controlled (not forbidden) by the government, to make sure people use it responsibly.

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

As Neruo said... I don't think it's really "helping."

Please correct me wrong here, as I am not TOO familiar with the show and I might have the wrong interpretation here... buttt...

For one, they couldn't throw one of those people in jail. They haven't actually DONE anything yet. They can't be convincted of anything, because they didn't actually do anything. Even if they were convicted for "intent" to do something (which I don't think would happen), it would obviously not be for very long. I think that national humiliation would just make them much, much more agressive/sociopathic because of how mad they are at the world. They probably wouldn't care too much about "subtletly."[/b]

Actually, I saw this movie of this pedophile that got caught 2 times in a month on the same show : ) Pretty silly. And yes, national humiliation might make them even worse. This makes me wonder: there has to be one of those pedophiles that shot himself after that show.. kind of hard to make friends again after that show airs.
04-03-2007, 06:17 PM
juroara

saying they should be shamed in front of everyone is like saying we should have public executions :bowdown:
04-03-2007, 11:22 PM
CymekSniper

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Where have you gotten this 'education'? THC is hardly addictive, only slightly psychological. Like food. Heck, a larger percentage of people in the western world that eat get psychologically addicted / health problems with food, then people that do marijuana get psychologically addicted /heath problems from marijuana.[/b]

Are you fucking serious? You actually believe that? *Sigh* Screw this I'm gonna make an actual reply later.
04-03-2007, 11:43 PM
gguru1

Most of these people have an "it cant happen to me" attitude.
04-10-2007, 03:24 AM
CymekSniper

Yeah I totally forgot about this thread.

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Where have you gotten this 'education'? THC is hardly addictive, only slightly psychological. Like food. Heck, a larger percentage of people in the western world that eat get psychologically addicted / health problems with food, then people that do marijuana get psychologically addicted /heath problems from marijuana.[/b]

THC may not be that addictive but if you increase the amount of the chemical in marijuana, don't you think you might have a larger chance of getting addicted? Not only that, but people might continue to use marijuana because it is more powerful and its effects last longer so it makes them feel it more so then they continue to use it and then have a higher risk of getting addicted. People may have a lot of health problems due to food but many aren't addicted to it. If people would stop eating so much fast food then people's health might increase.

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Nicotine is FAR more addictive, as is alcohol. I don't see your problem with Marijuana, a drug that has proven to be one of the most harmless drugs out there.[/b]

Nicotine is more addictive. For alcohol, I cannot say. I wish there was a way to stop the usage of both, however.
When exactly was it proven marijuana was one of the most harmless drugs out there?

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Originally Posted by Neruo

How does marijuana decays 'precious American minds'? Do you think that if you smoke weed once or twice a month with your friends you turn into a worthless, criminal, people-killing slacker? People can function just fine if they do marijuana every now and then like in the weekend. I saw this documentary about medical marijuana in the US, and this lawyer said he smokes 3 joints a day, an amount that probably only 5% or less of the marijuana users in the US smoke, and he functioned fine at his job.[/b]

Some people can function fine, but some get addicted and others turn to other drugs. You are still killing your mind by smoking pot and even if you can still function properly at you might be ruining your chance at something higher,

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Drugs aren't as dangerous as you think. Nascar is dangerous too, and it gives the people that do it a high to, but you don't see that getting banned : / Drugs have risks like any other thing, thus it should be controlled (not forbidden) by the government, to make sure people use it responsibly.[/b]

Why don't you tell the victims of drug overdose that drugs aren't dangerous? Everything is dangerous to and extent, but there are better things you could be doing with your life than snorting cocaine three times a day or sitting inside your house and smoking joints.

FYI I consider getting drunk and dieing in a car accident to be a drug overdose.

and BTW I am offended that you would even mention Nascar here. You assume I like Nascar and watch Nascar. I DON'T. Example of stereotypes everyone.....
04-10-2007, 02:10 PM
Neruo

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

THC may not be that addictive but if you increase the amount of the chemical in marijuana, don't you think you might have a larger chance of getting addicted? Not only that, but people might continue to use marijuana because it is more powerful and its effects last longer so it makes them feel it more so then they continue to use it and then have a higher risk of getting addicted. People may have a lot of health problems due to food but many aren't addicted to it. If people would stop eating so much fast food then people's health might increase.[/b]

When you previously replied to this part of what I said you sounded a bit more freaked out : )

Anyhow: Do you know how many people do Marijuana in the U.S.? A great deal. How many deaths does Marijuana cause, and how much does obesity cause? No-one has died directly from marijuana (THC) over dosage. Also, you don't think people are addicted to food? Then please, tell me: Why do SO many people fail at going on a diet? Why do so many people in America and more and more in Europe say: "I am to fat, I am going to lose weight." but fail at it? Really, food can be quite addictive.

Also, you just assume more THC means more addiction. I doubt that's the case. THC isn't even physically addictive. Besides, if people have weaker marijuana they just smoke more. In America, most weed is smoked pure (so I have heard), In the Netherlands, where there is far more THC in the marijuana, people smoke it with tobacco. You get get just as high with low-thc weed as with high-thc weed, it just takes other dosage. It is like with alcohol, addicted to wine or addicted to whiskey, does that really matter? I doubt it.

Are we going to ban email too? It is worse for your mind then marijuana :)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04...l_destroys_iq/

Addictive, what isn't? Sex can be addictive. Food can be addictive. Racing cars can be addictive. I don't see why marijuana should be banned for use by adults and racing cars shouldn't.

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Nicotine is more addictive. For alcohol, I cannot say. I wish there was a way to stop the usage of both, however.
When exactly was it proven marijuana was one of the most harmless drugs out there?[/b]

While I was looking that up, I came across a whole bunch of interesting studies:

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Alcohol is worse then Narcotics
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,...=rss-topstories

Heroin and cocaine were ranked most dangerous, followed by barbiturates and street methadone. Alcohol was the fifth-most harmful drug and tobacco the ninth most harmful. Cannabis came in 11th, and near the bottom of the list was Ecstasy.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/s...502012,00.html

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_me...T00:00:09-00:00
There was little evidence that ecstasy caused extensive harm, despite its widespread use by young people in clubs and pubs at weekends. Cannabis has been cited as a cause of schizophrenia but the authors said a causal relationship had not been established. If it were, evidence showed no more than 7 per cent of cases could be attributed to use of the drug.

lol the schizophrenia-argument isn't even proven properly, yet they use it to scare children.

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Anyhow, http://tailrank.com/1592243/Alcohol-is-mor...us-than-ecstacy here is a whole list of articles.

Point being:

I might have made somewhat of a mistake there: Cannabis isn't the most safe drug... XTC is more safe, as is LSD... as are some other drugs that can get you hard time in jail. However, of the 3 most popular drugs, alcohol, tobacco and marijuana, the latter is by far the safest.

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Some people can function fine, but some get addicted and others turn to other drugs. You are still killing your mind by smoking pot and even if you can still function properly at you might be ruining your chance at something higher,[/b]

what a bunch of nonsense. I know of a whole bunch of students that like to smoke marijuana in the weekends, but preform fine. HOW is it killing your mind? You are just talking American-government-scare-infomercial nonsense. Marijuana does nothing with your mind on long term, expect for an unproven small percentage of people that probably would find an other addiction.

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Why don't you tell the victims of drug overdose that drugs aren't dangerous? Everything is dangerous to and extent, but there are better things you could be doing with your life than snorting cocaine three times a day or sitting inside your house and smoking joints.[/b]

Like sitting behind your TV, eating McDonalds 3 times a day, and base-jumping?

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FYI I consider getting drunk and dieing in a car accident to be a drug overdose.[/b]

Do you also consider someone drinking 10 red bulls, or 25 cups of coffee and dieing in a car accident to be drug overdose?

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and BTW I am offended that you would even mention Nascar here. You assume I like Nascar and watch Nascar. I DON'T. Example of stereotypes everyone.....[/b]

Actually, I just recently learned that especially rednecks like Nascar, I didn't even know. Also, I was just pointing out that a lot of people get a kick out of certain things that are dangerous. Sky diving, nascar, any form of racing, ect ect.

How different is people getting addicted to sky-diving from people getting addicted to marijuana? Both rarely happen. If anything, all you named is an argument FOR drug legalization, so you don't give the group that is most likely to get addicted access anymore: Children. Name a reason why not to legalize LSD, a very safe, studies show, harmless, un-addictive drug. Drugs should be regulated, not forbidden, like sky-diving, car-racing and base-jumping is.

There still isn't a reason not to legalize marijuana, -and now I have learned, LSD, XTC and some other drugs found to be safer then tobacco-, since people are going to use it anyway.
04-12-2007, 12:18 AM
CymekSniper

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Originally Posted by Neruo

When you previously replied to this part of what I said you sounded a bit more freaked out : )

Anyhow: Do you know how many people do Marijuana in the U.S.? A great deal. How many deaths does Marijuana cause, and how much does obesity cause? No-one has died directly from marijuana (THC) over dosage. Also, you don't think people are addicted to food? Then please, tell me: Why do SO many people fail at going on a diet? Why do so many people in America and more and more in Europe say: "I am to fat, I am going to lose weight." but fail at it? Really, food can be quite addictive.[/b]

Food can be addictive, as can anything, but if the health standards were improved we would avoid most the health risks . Unfortunately, when people get older it becomes harder to lose weight. People may be failing at losing weight because they are not including exercise or they are starving themselves and want food even more. They may be losing faith in themselves because it is hard to exercise if they already have a lot of extra pounds on them.

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Also, you just assume more THC means more addiction. I doubt that's the case. THC isn't even physically addictive. Besides, if people have weaker marijuana they just smoke more. In America, most weed is smoked pure (so I have heard), In the Netherlands, where there is far more THC in the marijuana, people smoke it with tobacco. You get get just as high with low-thc weed as with high-thc weed, it just takes other dosage. It is like with alcohol, addicted to wine or addicted to whiskey, does that really matter? I doubt it.[/b]

So what you are telling me is that somebody who drinks one beer is going to be just as intoxicated as someone who drinks ten? Interesting.

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Are we going to ban email too? It is worse for your mind then marijuana :)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04...l_destroys_iq/[/b]

I have nothing to say to that except I believe this proves that we do not need another poison killing our minds whether it be marijuana or email, people shouldn't use either. I only use email for account registration on websites. People need to realize technology can be abused just like anything else.

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what a bunch of nonsense. I know of a whole bunch of students that like to smoke marijuana in the weekends, but preform fine. HOW is it killing your mind? You are just talking American-government-scare-infomercial nonsense. Marijuana does nothing with your mind on long term, expect for an unproven small percentage of people that probably would find an other addiction.[/b]

You already answered your HOW is it killing your mind question in that link you provided me. Please tell me why the American government would lie to us about using marijuana?

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Like sitting behind your TV, eating McDonalds 3 times a day, and base-jumping?[/b]

Absolutely not! Riding your bike, climbing a tree, going out with girls, enjoying your friends (actual friends, not the people you get high with who would abandon you in a heart beat), playing a video game that makes your heart beat faster and faster with adrenaline, and ofcourse, preparing yourself for dreaming.

I feel as if you think smoking marijuana is one funnest and best things you can do in your spare time. Though, I am probably wrong on this...

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Do you also consider someone drinking 10 red bulls, or 25 cups of coffee and dieing in a car accident to be drug overdose?[/b]

Yes, actually I would but that rarely (if ever) happens

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How different is people getting addicted to sky-diving from people getting addicted to marijuana? Both rarely happen. If anything, all you named is an argument FOR drug legalization, so you don't give the group that is most likely to get addicted access anymore: Children. Name a reason why not to legalize LSD, a very safe, studies show, harmless, un-addictive drug. Drugs should be regulated, not forbidden, like sky-diving, car-racing and base-jumping is.

There still isn't a reason not to legalize marijuana, -and now I have learned, LSD, XTC and some other drugs found to be safer then tobacco-, since people are going to use it anyway.[/b]

Actually, I did make an argument FOR legalizing marijuana if you will read my previous posts again. In fact, it is quite similar to the one you are making now This argument is not about other drugs so I really don't care what is said about them. The reason I brought marijuana up is because if they legalize marijuana, it could solve certain problems this country has with drugs. I chose marijuana because it is one of the less harmful drugs.
04-13-2007, 02:44 PM
Neruo

Edit: Pew, looooooong post. Please just read it, and like I say later on: You don't really have to respond to everything, that would take ages. ;)

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

Food can be addictive, as can anything, but if the health standards were improved we would avoid most the health risks . Unfortunately, when people get older it becomes harder to lose weight. People may be failing at losing weight because they are not including exercise or they are starving themselves and want food even more. They may be losing faith in themselves because it is hard to exercise if they already have a lot of extra pounds on them.[/b]

What are you saying here? 'If health standards were improved'? Are you saying that America doesn't have proper heath standards? It is personal choice: If you can choose between an apple and some spinach or a fatty hamburger, people choose the hamburger.

Besides, everyone that is overweight can stop eating unhealthy, and start living healthy. By far most that want to stop being unhealthy, just can't break the habit of being unhealthy. Honestly, don't you think more people can not stop eating unhealthy, even if they are overweight and know it, then people that realize they smoke to much marijuana can stop doing it?

Point being: Why be against legalization of Marijuana, and not against addictive food? In all aspects, a ban on fatty, sugary foods would be better for humanity: Less people would die, economy would be better (way less medical bills for society), fat people often aren't as happy as healthy people.

Cardiovascular is the number one cause of death in western countries.

Ban McDonalds? I rather see people be properly educated, and been given the freedom to make their own choice. Same with drugs.

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So what you are telling me is that somebody who drinks one beer is going to be just as intoxicated as someone who drinks ten? Interesting.[/b]

Didn't you read what I said correctly? I said that if you take 5 beers, you are getting just as drunk as with 1 glass of whiskey. Also, if I drink beer, I drink a whole lot more then I drink whiskey. Also, I can get as shit-faced with both beverages (because I stop liking whiskey and such after a few glasses, really makes me puke).

Get the simile? If I wanted to get stoned, I could either smoke some good weed, with like 15% THC, or bake a cake with a whole lot of crappy 5% THC weed in it, or smoke some more of the weaker-weed. Fact remains that THC (active substance in marijuana) isn't physically addictive. Also, if people want to get stoned, they will take as much as they want. 'Weak' marijuana isn't going to stop them.

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I have nothing to say to that except I believe this proves that we do not need another poison killing our minds whether it be marijuana or email, people shouldn't use either. I only use email for account registration on websites. People need to realize technology can be abused just like anything else.[/b]

I have nothing to say to that except I believe this proves that everything we do can be another poison killing our minds whether it be unhealthy food, tv, dangerous sports or email, people should use everything with moderation. People need to realize technology can be enjoyed and abused just like anything else.

Ha.

Also, are you seriously saying we should make email as illegal as marijuana? And TV? Did you know that watching tv makes your brain as in-active as quite a few drugs do? Ban that too?

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You already answered your HOW is it killing your mind question in that link you provided me. Please tell me why the American government would lie to us about using marijuana?[/b]

It started with Hemp, a plant great for ropes, clothes, paper and many many many other things besides getting high, being to competitive to paper-manufacturers. Banning it had some sort of economical advantage.

Also, Reagan if I recall correctly needed something to divert attention from all the shit that was going wrong. Declaring 'drugs as the US' number 1 enemy' or something.

And, are you saying that it doesn't score? My conservative grandparents would certainly vote for someone that sais"We ban all drugs.". They would Never vote on someone that says: "we should give people the choice to use drugs, and get drugs out of criminality." They are deaf to the last part. In their minds, drugs are all bad. With fear drugs have been made 'taboo' or something to Hate in the minds of all people.

I get really annoyed if people say "drugs this, drugs that' without realizing that alcohol is a drug in every way. An anti-drug person drinking alcohol is pure hypocrisy.

I saw a really interesting documentary about hemp. About the actual plant, not about the stoner-shit. Quite interesting. I couldn't find it.

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Absolutely not! Riding your bike, climbing a tree, going out with girls, enjoying your friends (actual friends, not the people you get high with who would abandon you in a heart beat), playing a video game that makes your heart beat faster and faster with adrenaline, and ofcourse, preparing yourself for dreaming.[/b]

lol. I wasn't taking about 'going out with girls' at all, how the hell did you drag that in here? I was talking about dangarous, fun things. What is the REAL difference between riding a motorcycle and smoking some marijuana? Seriously?! Both are dangarous, a lot of people get hooked a bit on both. Both are a bit dangerous, and a bunch of fun.

Also, you are extremely misguided. Seriously, the biggest bullshit you said till now is to think that 'stoner friends' are all a bunch of cruel assholes. How the FUCK do you get such a retarded idea? You are saying that without any reason at all. Maybe heroin or cocaine addicts would be such assholes. Besides that, I like to do drugs like alcohol or marijuana WITH my friend, they aren't my friends BECAUSE we do that. Where do you get the idea.

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I feel as if you think smoking marijuana is one funnest and best things you can do in your spare time. Though, I am probably wrong on this...[/b]

Yes, quite. I don't even like it that much. However I hate people being hypocritical wanting to ban it, while it is less dangerous then many, many legal things. It is a fact that there are many things that are more addictive and dangerous then marijuana, like alcohol, tobacco and other things. You never hear anyone wanting to ban those. Pure hypocrite's.

Do you want to know how YOU sound? You sound like you have this very warped idea inside your head that everyone that likes to smoke marijuana once a month or few weeks -like most people do-, is a lazy, stupid, unmotivated, friendless, addicted junkie. I don't know where you get that idea. Fuck, even my mother knows better.

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Yes, actually I would but that rarely (if ever) happens[/b]

Research shows that caffeine makes you a crappy driver. Ban caffeine? Research also shows that aggressive music makes you a crappy driver. Ban aggressive music in cars?

Be consistent. Why only be against marijuana, not against other dangerous, mentally 'addictive' things?

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Actually, I did make an argument FOR legalizing marijuana if you will read my previous posts again. In fact, it is quite similar to the one you are making now This argument is not about other drugs so I really don't care what is said about them. The reason I brought marijuana up is because if they legalize marijuana, it could solve certain problems this country has with drugs. I chose marijuana because it is one of the less harmful drugs.[/b]

I am sorry, I forgot you were for marijuana. I guess everyone, even critics, can see that getting it out of the criminal circuit would only have positive sides.

However, you still have some weird 'grudge' against marijuana...

Okay, this post is getting to long, you don't have to reply to every single part, just read it. I do have some questions I would like you to answer me:

-Shouldn't people have the choice to choose what they want to do with their own bodies? I am talking about doing something that does not put anyone in danger. I am not just talking about drugs, but everyone that can hurt only that person. Like sky-diving or something like that.

-What is wrong with LSD and XTC? Studies prove it aren't dangerous drugs at all comparing to alcohol can tobacco. Especially LSD for instance. LSD seriously isn't addictive. From what I heard, most people say "that was great and wonderful, but I am not going to do that for at least a year". Are you also for legalizing LSD?

-Where did you get the idea marijuana is super-bad? Some people some a little to much, but what about all the people that occasionally smoke it. Do you know how much people in college smoke marijuana? Don't think there aren't tens of thousands of doctors, lawyers, managers that never smoked some marijuana in college or university.

-Have you ever tries it yourself :wink:? I garuantee you that you will not get addicted, or that your IQ will drop, or that you will become schizophrenic. However, I am sure that you probably will remain this way, (thus never try it) unless if right now you are below 18 or something. Drugs really have a bad name in the media and such, while if used responsibly it can bring joy.

ha, I just remember my biology teacher saying that ("if used responsibly it can also be fun.". Back then I was like: "Omg?! He is promoting drugz!1 Drugs R bad!!1". While actually he was just stating a fact.