Thread: Dateline: To Catch A Predator

Like that movie by arnold swartzenegger. Anyhow. It is all about the ratings. Ethics? What are those? Does it sell?

Originally Posted by Neruo

Like that movie by arnold swartzenegger. Anyhow. It is all about the ratings. Ethics? What are those? Does it sell?[/b]

Do you think it's unethical? No they haven't had a trial, but they all think tbey are coming to the house to have sex with a child. Have you seen it?

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Do you think it's unethical? No they haven't had a trial, but they all think tbey are coming to the house to have sex with a child. Have you seen it?[/b]

Yeah. Basically, what they do is make fun of the mentally challenged, the mentally sick. Some of the pedophiles are just a bit weak in the head, and should be taken care of, therapy or something -locked up if that is better for them and the rest of the world-, not ridiculed on national TV. That they 'Catch' the pedophiles is great, but I really find it sick to show it on tv. It isn't so different from showing people getting the death sentence on tv. They shouldn't air that either, despite whether the people on the chair earned it or not.

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If you want to 'make them pay' by showing them on TV, or something like that, that is just sadistic. Law and it's punishments should work on bettering society, not on revenge and retaliation. If you shoot the man that shot your child, you aren't helping anyone.

Originally Posted by Neruo

If you shoot the man that shot your child, you aren't helping anyone.[/b]

But what if he lives to shoot more children? He might escape from prison and go on a killing spree. Isn't the killer just a waste of space anyway? Useless to society? He isn't ever going to help anyone and they need the space in prisons. If you kill the killer you make him taste his own crimes. I think the death penalty should be legalized everywhere.

As for the pedophiles, they aren't making fun of them as much as you think they are. Something tells me you don't have a good understanding of American humor. They are exposing these criminals as wrongdoers and hopefully scaring them into never doing it again.

Originally Posted by CymekSniper

But what if he lives to shoot more children? He might escape from prison and go on a killing spree. Isn't the killer just a waste of space anyway? Useless to society? He isn't ever going to help anyone and they need the space in prisons. If you kill the killer you make him taste his own crimes. I think the death penalty should be legalized everywhere.[/b]

Yes I get what you are saying. However, if YOU shot a man because he shot your children, you are doing it not for the best of society, you are probably doing it out of vengeance. You shouldn't be allowed to take right into your own hands. Law should do that.

Example: If someone gets the death penalty, would the relatives of the people he raped like to see him get eaten alive by wild dogs? Probably. However that serves no purpose but vengeance, retaliation. If you are taking the person out of society because that it better for it (he is sure to rape again), then do it in a humane, painless way.

With pedophiles: Who benefits from seeing the pedophiles on TV? How does the goal of the law benefit? If they just get caught and send to jail / therapy, that is the best you can do. They aren't going to behave better after they got ridiculed on TV. So the only goal it serves is vengeance on the 'bad' people (and money for the company that airs the show ) That is my point.

As for the pedophiles, they aren't making fun of them as much as you think they are. Something tells me you don't have a good understanding of American humor. They are exposing these criminals as wrongdoers and hopefully scaring them into never doing it again.[/b]

Like how introduction death penalties never change crime numbers? Really, making those people afraid doesn't work. Also, you aren't going to tell me they air the show, not because people like to see people they get getting owned, but that they watch it 'to make sure pedophiles are scared into doing it'. It is about entertainment, about the money.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Example: If someone gets the death penalty, would the relatives of the people he raped like to see him get eaten alive by wild dogs? Probably. However that serves no purpose but vengeance, retaliation. If you are taking the person out of society because that it better for it (he is sure to rape again), then do it in a humane, painless way.[/b]

I agree 100%. Still do they not deserve to see him put away in jail or killed by the death penalty? The perpetrator committed a crime against an innocent person and deserves just punishment.

Originally Posted by Neruo

If you are taking the person out of society because that it better for it (he is sure to rape again), then do it in a humane, painless way.[/b]

Lethal Injection.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Like how introduction death penalties never change crime numbers?[/b]

They have been around too long to tell.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Really, making those people afraid doesn't work.[/b]

Actually it does in some cases, but there are still many people who will commit the crime.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Also, you aren't going to tell me they air the show, not because people like to see people they get getting owned, but that they watch it 'to make sure pedophiles are scared into doing it'. It is about entertainment, about the money.[/b]

True, but the show can still serve the purpose I stated.

Hopefully the pedophiles will get nervous seeing the dateline NBC series and not act on their urges.

Originally Posted by CymekSniper

I agree 100%. Still do they not deserve to see him put away in jail or killed by the death penalty? The perpetrator committed a crime against an innocent person and deserves just punishment.[/b]

Yeah really no doubt that the law should made sure people that are really damaging society get removed from it in some way, no real debate their. However, the question whether (relatives of) the victim deserves some sort of (personal) vengeance on the criminal, that is a pretty though question... I mean

Lethal Injection.[/b]

I completely agree. If you are going to 'put someone down', lethal injection is by far the most humane way to do it. (In some states they have gas chambers still, I read somewhere.)

They have been around too long to tell.[/b]

Well, I have a hard time finding it in the Internet, but I read in a magazine that in a certain country or state in America, they introduced the capitol punishment, or abolished it, and it had very little effect on the crime numbers. Also, not All countries have capitol punishment

Actually it does in some cases, but there are still many people who will commit the crime.

True, but the show can still serve the purpose I stated.

Hopefully the pedophiles will get nervous seeing the dateline NBC series and not act on their urges.[/b]

Yes, I guess some pedophiles will be scared. However, I rather seem them all helped by therapy or by locking them up.. I still have some objections with the exploiting of not just criminals, but people that have a mental disorder that they can do little about personally... But hey, maybe some criminals are born criminal.. and you can still blame them.

Anyhow, I rather have seen pedophiles be caught and scared in another way then this. But it isn't the end of the world.

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

I wondered what you would say. I see what you mean, except for I don't think they're just a bit weak in the head, I think they're a lot worse than that.[/b]

Pedophiles you mean? I personally think some of them might be born Pedophile, like gay people... that really makes judging them a bit difficult. Of course, they shouldn't have sex with children under any circumstances, so often locking them up is best for everyone. Yet in a way, you are blaming them for something they were born with.. ah well. Sometimes they really are assholes too.

Yeah typing this I remembered how many pedophiles always seem like they have No feeling of guilty, really don't give a shit about the children they are mentally just obliterating... okay, maybe pedophiles Can be blamed for being sick, life-destroying assholes ^__^

Actually I don't think people should be trapped into any other crime, and then have it shown as entertainment, so maybe I should think about why I think this is OK. I guess it is just the nature of that crime and the sliminess of the perpetrators. The only benefit it would have would be as a deterrent, but I'm sure it's not widespread enough really to actually scare very many. They could probably do the same thing without showing it as entertainment tho. You're probably right, we should be above watching that, altho if I realize it's on I go watch it. I don't think they just need a little counseling tho, they need locking up forever.[/b]

Actually, I wonder if it is entrapment. It might be. Not all 13-year-old girls on the Internet are as slutty as the cops posing as the girl... Anyhow, besides that pedophiles should indeed be put away in someway, the program can still be crap. Like "cops". I might agree with them arresting a man hitting his wife, but I really don't want to see it, and think it is silly people want to see it.

I agree with you about taking the revenge element out; prevention of further harm should be the main goal. If society has extra money, I guess rehabilitation for some (lesser) crimes is worth a shot. I think there should be a lot fewer laws tho, so there would be a lot less need for prisons and rehabilitation.[/b]

Yes some laws are just silly. Also, rehabilitation should be done more. Most of the people don't go to prison once. 75% of the people that gets arrested and put in prison, comes back a second (or more) time... Prison is a great school... a school for criminal activities. In the long run, better rehabilitation would pay off, and make society better.

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I think I am going to make a topic on Pedophiles.. and other crime perhaps.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Yeah. Basically, what they do is make fun of the mentally challenged, the mentally sick. Some of the pedophiles are just a bit weak in the head, and should be taken care of, therapy or something -locked up if that is better for them and the rest of the world-, not ridiculed on national TV. That they 'Catch' the pedophiles is great, but I really find it sick to show it on tv. It isn't so different from showing people getting the death sentence on tv. They shouldn't air that either, despite whether the people on the chair earned it or not.

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If you want to 'make them pay' by showing them on TV, or something like that, that is just sadistic. Law and it's punishments should work on bettering society, not on revenge and retaliation. If you shoot the man that shot your child, you aren't helping anyone.[/b]

I wondered what you would say. I see what you mean, except for I don't think they're just a bit weak in the head, I think they're a lot worse than that. Actually I don't think people should be trapped into any other crime, and then have it shown as entertainment, so maybe I should think about why I think this is OK. I guess it is just the nature of that crime and the sliminess of the perpetrators. The only benefit it would have would be as a deterrent, but I'm sure it's not widespread enough really to actually scare very many. They could probably do the same thing without showing it as entertainment tho. You're probably right, we should be above watching that, altho if I realize it's on I go watch it. I don't think they just need a little counseling tho, they need locking up forever.

I agree with you about taking the revenge element out; prevention of further harm should be the main goal. If society has extra money, I guess rehabilitation for some (lesser) crimes is worth a shot. I think there should be a lot fewer laws tho, so there would be a lot less need for prisons and rehabilitation.