Thread: Dateline: To Catch A Predator

Originally Posted by CymekSniper

In America there have always been punishments for crimes so I guess fear has less to do with the death penalty and more to do with punishment in general. If criminals are not afraid for their crimes then I guess that means we just need to put them away faster.[/b]

Trowing people in jail isn't always the answer. Often it is for cereal killers, but for a heroin addict that is so wired to get his fix he goes out stealing, either rehabilitation is better, or even just giving them heroin. They do that in some countries, it works wonders. Junkies don't have to steal, since you just can't change some junkies.

Also, if someone, lets say, breaks into a shop with some friends, being stupid adolescents, and gets thrown in jail, chances are he will just get more violent and criminal once he gets out. Proper rehabilitation often works, and in the long run, is cheaper.

It does make good television after all. [/b]

In the Netherlands we have a saying: "About taste, there can be no argument." Everyone likes different things "

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Also, moonbeam, I totally agree that they should stop putting drug users in prison (in America). It costs the state billions of dollars, and just ruins lives the kid's lives more then marijuana ever could. Since like 50% of America has smoked marijuana at one time, probably including the president, I don't see why they get that drug legal: It would even take care of the Real criminals, if done properly. The stoner kids aren't criminals, the dealers mostly are. Rich, criminal assholes. If you put one away, another one will take his place. Legalizing drugs, and letting the government grow proper save drugs to be strictly sold in special shops with proper I.D.-ing and even making sure there is a maximum to buy each day. That would put the drugs dealers out of business. If done with cocaine or XTC or something, overdoses would drop dramatically thanks to good information and drugs you actually know what is in it and how much.

Anyhow, way off topic there : )

Originally Posted by Neruo

Trowing people in jail isn't always the answer. Often it is for cereal killers, but for a heroin addict that is so wired to get his fix he goes out stealing, either rehabilitation is better, or even just giving them heroin. They do that in some countries, it works wonders. Junkies don't have to steal, since you just can't change some junkies.[/b]

It was still his choice in the first place to start taking heroin. If they don't throw him in jail, he might get high one day and decide to go driving or, depending on what drug he is taking, he could become violent and hurt somebody. Drugs affect everyone around the person who is taking them. It is a danger to society.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Also, if someone, lets say, breaks into a shop with some friends, being stupid adolescents, and gets thrown in jail, chances are he will just get more violent and criminal once he gets out. Proper rehabilitation often works, and in the long run, is cheaper.[/b]

True, however America is much more lenient about drugs than you think. You won't get thrown in jail on your first offense, you will probably have to pay a fine and have a spot on your record but you won't get thrown in jail.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Also, moonbeam, I totally agree that they should stop putting drug users in prison (in America). It costs the state billions of dollars, and just ruins lives the kid's lives more then marijuana ever could. Since like 50% of America has smoked marijuana at one time, probably including the president, I don't see why they get that drug legal: It would even take care of the Real criminals, if done properly. The stoner kids aren't criminals, the dealers mostly are. Rich, criminal assholes. If you put one away, another one will take his place. Legalizing drugs, and letting the government grow proper save drugs to be strictly sold in special shops with proper I.D.-ing and even making sure there is a maximum to buy each day. That would put the drugs dealers out of business. If done with cocaine or XTC or something, overdoses would drop dramatically thanks to good information and drugs you actually know what is in it and how much.

Anyhow, way off topic there : )[/b]

I have not completely decided my standing on that. If they legalize marijuana then the government could regulate it and drive down the price to where it would be the cheapest drug out there which would cause the drug users to buy it and starve the drug dealers out of business. Perhaps the government could regulate how marijuana is grown which would make it less potent. The drug has after all, changed and become more potent and more powerful therefore more dangerous since the 70s. The government could also regulate the quantity sold. I am not sure if this would cause an increase in drug users or not. If education about drugs stays and using drugs is frowned upon in the eyes of society, this could be a good thing.


Boy we are off topic here though. This thread is supposed to be about pedophiles. lol.

Originally Posted by CymekSniper

It was still his choice in the first place to start taking heroin. If they don't throw him in jail, he might get high one day and decide to go driving or, depending on what drug he is taking, he could become violent and hurt somebody. Drugs affect everyone around the person who is taking them. It is a danger to society.[/b]

People getting aggressive from drugs? And getting into a car and being dangerous? What does that remind me of? Alcohol. The number one drug for causing fights and traffic deaths.

Actually Alcohol really is by far the most aggressive-making drug I know of, by far. Still, okay, some junkies still might to bad things. Well actually, I doubt it. With heroin you really don't feel like fighting or driving, from what I know of it.

Still, if people were given drugs if they can't stop by themselves, to prevent them from having to steal, I do agree that they can be dangerous somewhat. Certainly don't give them drivers licenses.

True, however America is much more lenient about drugs than you think. You won't get thrown in jail on your first offense, you will probably have to pay a fine and have a spot on your record but you won't get thrown in jail.[/b]

Doesn't it really depend on the state? I heard drug laws are not so kind in Florida for example. But it is right that sometimes they try to rehabilitate drug users rather then send them to crime-school (prison).

I have not completely decided my standing on that. If they legalize marijuana then the government could regulate it and drive down the price to where it would be the cheapest drug out there which would cause the drug users to buy it and starve the drug dealers out of business. Perhaps the government could regulate how marijuana is grown which would make it less potent. The drug has after all, changed and become more potent and more powerful therefore more dangerous since the 70s.[/b]

You are somewhat right: Drug dealers would be out of bussines. No reason to buy weed illegally if you can get clean weed elsewhere. Hell, the government wouldn't have to smuggle, so they could sell weed for the price of tomatoes if they wanted. However, I would say some big taxes to keep the illegal drugs out. Also, taxes will compensate more then 100 times the (medical) damage that marijuana causes. Really, where did you get the idea marijuana is dangerous? No one ever died from overdose. No-one! People did from alcohol. Smoking it is a bit unhealthy.. noting comparing to tobacco, millions have died from lung cancer thanks to it. It doesn't matter how potent marijuana is, THC (active chemical in weed) can't be dangerous in any quantities, unless you drive perhaps. And even if they do, stoned you might drive better then drunk.

The government could also regulate the quantity sold. I am not sure if this would cause an increase in drug users or not. If education about drugs stays and using drugs is frowned upon in the eyes of society, this could be a good thing.
Boy we are off topic here though. This thread is supposed to be about pedophiles. lol.[/b]

yeah way off topic. I would have to say that from what I heard, drugs are so easy to come by (in big cities) that it would certainly reduce drug use. If you get an electronic I.D system you could restrict people buying more then they probably use themselves, so you can restrict kids from smoking marijuana by probably a lot. Also, if you don't have to go do a dealer for marijuana, by far the most popular illegal drug in America, then there is a bigger chance the dealer doesn't try to sell you some crappy cocaine with grinded light bulbs in them to make the cocaine look shiny (they actually do that sometimes, sick).

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Maybe just give pedophiles a drug that does the opposite Viagra does, and totally removes their libido? : )

Originally Posted by Neruo

People getting aggressive from drugs? And getting into a car and being dangerous? What does that remind me of? Alcohol. The number one drug for causing fights and traffic deaths.

Actually Alcohol really is by far the most aggressive-making drug I know of, by far. Still, okay, some junkies still might to bad things. Well actually, I doubt it. With heroin you really don't feel like fighting or driving, from what I know of it.

Still, if people were given drugs if they can't stop by themselves, to prevent them from having to steal, I do agree that they can be dangerous somewhat. Certainly don't give them drivers licenses.[/b]

I honestly wish alchohol would be banned all together. I have the experiences of being around a raging alcoholic of which I will not speak of. Unfortunately alcohol is used by too many people to ban it now.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Doesn't it really depend on the state? I heard drug laws are not so kind in Florida for example. But it is right that sometimes they try to rehabilitate drug users rather then send them to crime-school (prison).[/b]

Yes I suppose it does depend on the state but for the most part I would say you won't get put in jail first offense.

Originally Posted by Neruo

You are somewhat right: Drug dealers would be out of bussines. No reason to buy weed illegally if you can get clean weed elsewhere. Hell, the government wouldn't have to smuggle, so they could sell weed for the price of tomatoes if they wanted. However, I would say some big taxes to keep the illegal drugs out. Also, taxes will compensate more then 100 times the (medical) damage that marijuana causes. Really, where did you get the idea marijuana is dangerous? No one ever died from overdose. No-one! People did from alcohol. Smoking it is a bit unhealthy.. noting comparing to tobacco, millions have died from lung cancer thanks to it. It doesn't matter how potent marijuana is, THC (active chemical in weed) can't be dangerous in any quantities, unless you drive perhaps. And even if they do, stoned you might drive better then drunk.[/b]

Read this article.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Maybe just give pedophiles a drug that does the opposite Viagra does, and totally removes their libido? : )[/b]

Actually that isn't a bad idea....

Originally Posted by CymekSniper

Read this article.[/b]

Yeeeess... what is the point? THC level have gone up like 1000% since the seventies, that still doesn't make it dangerous like alcohol is dangerous.

Also, I agree with Universal on this subject.

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

The way I look at it is, if the person is willing to go and commit those kinds of acts, they deserve to be shamed in front of everyone. Everyone needs to know what kind of sickos exist and who they are. They're actually going easy on these kinds of people compared to what SHOULD be done to them.[/b]

They 'deserve' that? What purpose has that? It isn't quite helping society, is it? Isn't it pure sadism then? I understand why people would like to see pedophiles get mentally abused as much as their victims, but that really doesn't make Anyone better. They should just be put in jail or a mental hospital, and not be released until certain they will never do it again.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Yeeeess... what is the point? THC level have gone up like 1000% since the seventies, that still doesn't make it dangerous like alcohol is dangerous.[/b]

More addiction, stronger effects in both health and highness. There are many bad things that this could cause.

I also kinda agree with universal but I am still not too sure. The question of whether or not this would cause an increased number of drug users still remains. We wouldn't want too many additional drug users because that would decay so many precious American minds but then again it's better than having a bunch of cocaine and heroine users running around.

Originally Posted by CymekSniper

More addiction, stronger effects in both health and highness. There are many bad things that this could cause.[/b]

Where have you gotten this 'education'? THC is hardly addictive, only slightly psychological. Like food. Heck, a larger percentage of people in the western world that eat get psychologically addicted / health problems with food, then people that do marijuana get psychologically addicted /heath problems from marijuana.

Nicotine is FAR more addictive, as is alcohol. I don't see your problem with Marijuana, a drug that has proven to be one of the most harmless drugs out there.

I also kinda agree with universal but I am still not too sure. The question of whether or not this would cause an increased number of drug users still remains. We wouldn't want too many additional drug users because that would decay so many precious American minds but then again it's better than having a bunch of cocaine and heroine users running around.[/b]

Well, people in the Netherlands can buy marijuana in shops, and we don't have that much drug users here to my knowledge. I remembered reading that in America, more people/teenagers smoke weed then here.

How does marijuana decays 'precious American minds'? Do you think that if you smoke weed once or twice a month with your friends you turn into a worthless, criminal, people-killing slacker? People can function just fine if they do marijuana every now and then like in the weekend. I saw this documentary about medical marijuana in the US, and this lawyer said he smokes 3 joints a day, an amount that probably only 5% or less of the marijuana users in the US smoke, and he functioned fine at his job.

Drugs aren't as dangerous as you think. Nascar is dangerous too, and it gives the people that do it a high to, but you don't see that getting banned : / Drugs have risks like any other thing, thus it should be controlled (not forbidden) by the government, to make sure people use it responsibly.

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

As Neruo said... I don't think it's really "helping."

Please correct me wrong here, as I am not TOO familiar with the show and I might have the wrong interpretation here... buttt...

For one, they couldn't throw one of those people in jail. They haven't actually DONE anything yet. They can't be convincted of anything, because they didn't actually do anything. Even if they were convicted for "intent" to do something (which I don't think would happen), it would obviously not be for very long. I think that national humiliation would just make them much, much more agressive/sociopathic because of how mad they are at the world. They probably wouldn't care too much about "subtletly."[/b]

Actually, I saw this movie of this pedophile that got caught 2 times in a month on the same show : ) Pretty silly. And yes, national humiliation might make them even worse. This makes me wonder: there has to be one of those pedophiles that shot himself after that show.. kind of hard to make friends again after that show airs.