9/11 Conspiracy

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

lol thanks, shit, I see you're from jackson...wow man...i'm from Clinton Mississippi ;) Anthriel is on this site too and he lives in jackson, MS. What school do you go to?

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That's crazy. We both live in suburbs of Jackson. I brought up Clinton on this site just a few days ago when I talked about how Britney Spears used to stay at Lance Bass' house in Clinton. I live out at the Reservoir, so I'm not technically within any city limits even though my address says Brandon. I was living downtown when I got my account on this site, and we all call the whole metropolitan area "Jackson", so I kept that as my location. I'm 35 now and no longer in school.

wow lol

Media control failing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHAScDFZd8A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVzY1FPhdDU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Y6R2JLJxY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtsLZM8Ktx4

:yawn: I'm still not seeing the answers to my questions. What's the hold up?

Yea...
All the 9/11 Conspiracys (like almost all other Conspiracys) are not true. You will all just have to face the fact that this was a terrorist attack done by muslum extremists. with an evil (albiet clever) plan to crash our own planes into finacial and military buildings to prove there point and to tell us that they want us all dead.

People who say: BUSH DID IT! IT WAS ALIENS! PEOPLE FAKED THEre DEATH! IT WAS THE JEWS! these people are just taking advantage of the destruction of so many lives to further their conspiracry lifestyle of denial and paranoia.

Thank you.

How can you be so sure?

Let me put it this way. I challenge anybody to give a summary of how the 9/11 attacks happened from beginning to end. If you REALLY believe this stuff, tell the story about what you claim happened on those airplanes and then tell me what happened at the Pentagon. Be sure to include the conversations victims were reported to have had with their friends and family members and how remote control devices passed themselves off as pilots, and tell me about what workers at the Pentagon did after they heard something really loud and looked outside. That will clear up a lot of things, if you can do it, or even give a hypothetical story that makes some kind of sense. If you claim the story happened, tell it.

Whether the conspiracy(s) exist or not, is anyone else watching "9/11, as it happened", on MSNBC? I'm seeing the attack from angles that I've never seen before, and I can't help but just stare at it in awe/shock/horror. I've seen the attacks over and over, before, while researching the conspiracy theories, but to see this presentation that I have never seen just takes me back to that very first day of seeing the second plane hit, as it happened. Regardless of whether or not any of the theories are true, the event itself is just so awe-inspiring (in the most negative way possible). I simply could not imagine being there.

Everyones got to learn sometime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6C7EYJV8no
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tx2mOI_BDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_WtiqOrL_8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyPYkpkhouQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQBo4Y1o1_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjxzn42LuvQ


and there's plenty more links and information available.

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Originally Posted by Mystic7

Everyones got to learn sometime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6C7EYJV8no
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tx2mOI_BDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_WtiqOrL_8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyPYkpkhouQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQBo4Y1o1_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjxzn42LuvQ


and there's plenty more links and information available.

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You can't tell me the story? If you want to, you can go straight to the part about remote control devices making co-workers think they were human pilots and how they used hypnosis to make the passengers call their friends and family members and cry about hijackings that were heard in the background. And who did you say are the actors playing the Al Qaeda leaders? Didn't they get fired from Days of Our Lives or something?

Then again, you can just keep playing dodgeball. I would hate for you to question your own faith.

this is like watching a train wreck ...

Mystic, why don't you debat instead of posting links?

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Originally Posted by Keeper

this is like watching a train wreck ...

Mystic, why don't you debat instead of posting links?

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Mystic.... debate???? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It was directed at him, not you.

Give him time ... and point out the futility of link posting without debating and he will come around.

I don't give a thought to any of these conspiracy theories. Notice how after many major crises in history there have been countless conspiracy theories...most completely unfounded or based off of loosely interpreted facts...

Meh...I wouldn't give them consideration of even an idea, I see them as attention-grabbers.

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Originally Posted by Keeper

It was directed at him, not you.

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I'm not Mystic? Dammit, then why am I wearing his underwear?

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I'm not Mystic? Dammit, then why am I wearing his underwear?

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I'd rather not speculate on that ...

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Originally Posted by bro

I don't give a thought to any of these conspiracy theories. Notice how after many major crises in history there have been countless conspiracy theories...most completely unfounded or based off of loosely interpreted facts...

Meh...I wouldn't give them consideration of even an idea, I see them as attention-grabbers.

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Not even examining theories for the simplistic reason that there are a lot of theories, means that you dont even care about this issue, and shouldnt waste yours and everyone else's time posting about it. Whats the point in posting the opinion that "I dont want to even think about it..." ??

The 911 Truth movement contains experts from every relevant academic field, and then some.

Structural Engineers
Military Leaders
scientists,
politicians,
legal scholars,


And guess what, if you believe the government's official conspiracy theory you are insane, according to these highly educated psychologists and psychiatrists, who have not even been challenged. Wheres the pubic denouncement in the form of a legitimate challenge? All government apologists can do is avoid, distract, and deceive. They are on every forum discussing this issue. Just read up on disinfo tactics and you can spot them a mile away.

Firstly. The one with the most to gain is cheney. We already know that for sure. Secondly, it doesn't make sense people who have less intelligent views and beliefs. How they would be more intelligent than the entire security of America. Thirdly, look at how 911 has been used. To justify an Iraq war that has being a complete mess and nightmare from the beginning which was not democratic. Not only that, but considering Norad standing down. And all this evidence that is piling up which I have mentioned in this thread that skeptics here have not bothered to even attempt to look at. The history of false flag terrorism among western governments to promote war. Throughout history there is many examples of false flag operations. 911 is the most recent example and weakest link because the mistakes revealed are so serve that's why it's so important to use this as a weapon against the sliding away of democracy into a police state. By understanding and educating people on the facts behind this event.

I've debated on this thread for many pages. And also provided links. Universal mind talks about remote devices which I find irrelevant. Others mention aliens and other conspiracies and somehow think it relates to 911 truth. 911 truth is not even theorist. It's a gathering of known facts and demanding answers. I find it scary anyone in our society that is not evil would attempt to support the official story of 911 as it is a major sign of intellectual disability to do so.

Everyone that is intellectual and not willingly ignorant, when they do the research, understand clearly that the official story of 911 is complete lies. it's being admitted in mainstream media even. And many in this thread have stated things that skeptics here cannot even touch. Memeticverb also mentions what I have being saying.

To be honest the conspiracy people are the ones who are gullible enough to believe the lies and myths behind 911 promoted by campaign by cheney and others. When they even openly admitted they were going to use "a new pearl harbor" to make change faster. They are the most undesirable as it's not an intellectual position to have to support these lies. Skeptics of 911 truth are supporting murderer's and backstabbing Un-American Facist Nazi Neo cons like Cheney.

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if you believe the government's official conspiracy theory you are insane, according to these highly educated psychologists and psychiatrists, who have not even been challenged.

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Correct...

911 official myth of a lie "1+1=5"
911 military false flag operation tactic "1+1=2"

The BBC has been caught in another 9/11 faux pas on the anniversary of the attacks, lending credence to a study that validates the pancake theory as the cause of the twin towers' collapse, despite the fact that this explanation was dismissed by NIST itself years ago and it violates the fundamental laws of physics.

Though the 9/11 truth movement has remained steadfast in its conclusion that nothing other than explosives or incendiary devices could have caused the towers to collapse in the way they did, the "official version" has flip-flopped around with numerous different explanations as each one was disproved.

One of those explanations became known as the "pancake theory," an assertion that the rapid collapse of the towers was due to the weight of each floor creating a domino effect and pulverizing the floor below it as the collapse progressed.

The problem with this hypothesis is that it failed to answer why support mechanisms that were completely undamaged offered next to no resistance as the collapse unfolded, and it violated the Law of Conservation of Momentum.

"Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum – one of the foundational Laws of Physics? That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors – and intact steel support columns – the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. If the central support columns remained standing, then the effective resistive mass would be less, but this is not the case – somehow the enormous support columns failed/disintegrated along with the falling floor pans," writes Professor Steven Jones in his paper Why Indeed Did The WTC buildings Collapse?

NIST were forced to acknowledge the weakness of the pancake theory when they tested steel samples from the World Trade Center.

"The results established that this type of assembly was capable of sustaining a large gravity load, without collapsing for a substantial period of time relative to the duration of the fires in any given location on September 11th," concluded NIST in their Final Report of the National Construction Safety Team on the Collapses of the World Trade Center Towers.

However, the fact that actual scientific lab tests of World Trade Center steel completely ruled out the pancake collapse theory didn't stop the BBC from lending credence to a new study that claims "mathematics" has shown that the pancake collapse was plausible.

Exactly what these "mathematics" entail and why they are more reliable than actual scientific lab tests of WTC steel undertaken by NIST as well as the basic laws of physics and gravity is not fully explained in the article.

One would think the BBC would be reticent to engage 9/11 truth again after their previous attempts at debunking left the corporation, disgraced in light of the recent quiz fix scandal, with a bloody nose.

A February 2007 documentary, pitched as a balanced investigation into claims made by the 9/11 truth movement, turned out to be a bias hit piece characterized by outright lies, spin and emotional manipulation.

Barely a week later, the BBC were forced to respond when footage emerged of their reporters describing the collapse of WTC 7 over an hour before the building actually fell - leading many to question how the BBC and other news networks had gained advance knowledge of what seemed to be an pre-planned script on 9/11.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...ake_theory.htm

And btw, Fox News just looks plain stupid at this point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPwfoO4KKaE

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...ux_news1-1.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPwfoO4KKaE

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Originally Posted by Mystic7

Universal mind talks about remote devices which I find irrelevant.

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I have talked about many things you refuse to address. I have answered tons of your questions, but you won't answer mine. You know that. I have flat out asked you and your partners in religion to tell the story of the 9/11 attacks as they happened, and you won't do it. SOMEBODY or SOMETHING was flying those airplanes, and that is EXTREMELY relevant. You won't even answer how even in theory those airplane flights happened. Tons of people have talked about the conversations they had with friends and family members who were on those flights, and those people say that they both heard hijackings happening and talked to their friends and family members about how they were being hijacked. Not one person who talked to people on those flights says otherwise, and I am not getting this from left wing lunatic sites that make their money off loonie land lying and have nothing to lose by telling bizarre lies. There are prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, and you won't address who they are. We do have Al Qaeda leaders on video, and you won't say who they supposedly "really" are. Thousands of people work at the Pentagon, and you won't even try to explain why not one of them says there was a missile in the side of the building after they heard a thunderous crash or that they saw an airpline slowly driving up to the building. Those are very important facts to address in this, and you won't do it. All you do is talk from an nonexpert standpoint about demolition specifics that the masses of actual experts roll their eyes at and the fact that some government information is classified, and other such things, and you won't answer the questions the doubters have. That is classic religious brainwashing you are trying to engage in and have apparently been subjected to. Your side of this debate is extremely weak and evasive.