9/11 Conspiracy

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Originally Posted by Mystic7

I've already beaten you.

You started your post out so cool and then totally went douche on me. I respect your ability to repeatedly post propaganda videos and pictures when stumped. Praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster! :bowdown:

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Originally Posted by Mystic7

Universal Mind. I respect your ability to use philosophy intelligently. I condemn your choice to back the most damaging and delusional paradigm in the process.

911 was an inside job

I've already beaten you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FlJeoiZxVk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcYsUNva0CA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL9fvuKALjI

http://www.qfgpublishing.com/images/...etruth_2ed.jpg

My long post was for you, please look into it.

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You must have said something they can't argue with. Join the club. :cheers:

You wish.

The pictures Jassum posted support controlled demolition because they show that the floors were attached to the core columns, and had they simply broken at their joints would have left the cores standing. But the core columns were the first to fail, and within seconds were completely destroyed to the ground, apparently providing no resistance.

Also, if you were suggesting a pancake collapse of the floor trusses you are already challenging the govt's official story, which abandoned that theory a while back.

They now call the collapse "progressive".

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Originally Posted by memeticverb

You wish.

Oh really? Then correct my satire. Tell a version of the story that is even conceivable. I challenge you, once again. Let's see this.

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Here is the story...

The United States government wanted to take a very extreme risk and pull a Pearl Harbor type stunt so there would be an excuse to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan and get good oil money even though the oil would still belong to the people of those countries. So lots and lots of members of the White House staff, the FBI, the FAA, the CIA, Norad, the military, the news media, demolition crews, the Washington police, and other bodies all got together and took a big risk by talking about doing this, and everybody happened to agree to it, except maybe a few people who opted out yet decided not to talk about something so humongous and despiccably evil and devastating to their own country and economy. This enormous group of people who all turned out to happen to be far more evil than the worst of serial killers decided to make military airplanes to crash into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a field in the middle of nowhere. This would make it easy to blame everything on the terrorist group Al Qaeda, who just so happens to exist for the purpose of engaging in such attacks and had even done so in the past. Little did Al Qaeda know that they would soon finally get their big breaks as actors working for the very government they organized for the purpose of destroying.

All of the necessary bodies worked with the military to take military passenger airplanes that look just like commercial passenger airplanes, unknown military airplanes that were the only three in the world that fit that description, and painted the necessary colors and commercial labels on them since military green makes it look like the airplanes are not the airline company jets the passengers had tickets to board. Since nobody in the military was willing to die for somebody ele's outrageously large scale oil scheme, remote control devices were put in the airplanes. Passengers got onto the airplanes and were greeted by robotic stewardesses. Then the planes headed down the runways as the remote control devices smiled for the flag men on the runways, who reported nothing unusual. There was a problem with the fact that the actual airline companies sent the real airplanes to the airports with real airplane staff and passengers and communicated with airport staff about the arrangements, so the enormous oil conspiracy legion of people who just happened to all be more evil than serial killers decided to hide the real airplanes and staff under the airports when nobody was looking and replace the staff with robots who have all of the same memories and behavior patterns as the real staff. Much to the good fortune of the psychopath network of oil conspirators, nobody noticed when one of the airplanes passengers got on was actually a missile. Or maybe those people are buried under the airport too.

While in the air, the government turned on their background hijack noises and swung metal balls from the ceiling with remote control devices so the passengers would be hypnotized into thinking they were being hijacked and call their friends and relatives to cry while saying goodbye. Then all of the crashes happened. One of the crashes, the one that involved a horrendously loud blow into the U.S. governments' Department of Defense building, involved a missile hit during work hours. Thousands of people were working in that building, but none of them reported that it was a missile that hit the building, even after they soon realized that the biggest news story in the history of the world, one that concerned a missile attack on their work building while they were at work, was false. That is because they all wanted to keep working at the building that was hit by a missile that was deliberately fired by their bosses while those workers were in the building.

The World Trade Center was hit by the government's remote control passenger airplanes instead of missiles just for the sake of randomness, but it was strategically placed bombs that made the buildings fall. The claims of the government and many experts about how the buildings fell was wrong, and the incorrectness of those reports was so obvious and undisputable that even amateur punks on the internet go off about it with complete certainty and are totally correct even though the vast, vast majority of engineers, construction supervisors, architects, and demolition supervisors don't agree with the claim and have the insanely bizarre idea that those people are just punks on the internet, or else just don't really care, even though the United States and its coalition are fighting two wars right now because of the illusory terrorism threat and the major influence of what so many people are crazy enough to believe were terrorist attacks of all things.

The government now has many actors who got fired from Days of Our Lives and after school specials playing members of Al Qaeda along with actual Al Qaeda members and taking credit for the attacks on video as well as threatening to pull more attacks, which they have done in many places in the Middle East and Europe, because they are trying to get roles on sitcoms and jobs hosting reality shows. The mass network of conspirators has kept a very tight lid on what they all know really happened in the horrific tragedy that was the subject of the biggest news story in the history of the world and the major influence of two WARS that are going on right now.

THE END

Now you tell me what could have even possibly happened. Nothing could have. It is impossible. Give me some retort, if you have any.

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Originally Posted by memeticverb

You wish.

The pictures Jassum posted support controlled demolition because they show that the floors were attached to the core columns, and had they simply broken at their joints would have left the cores standing. But the core columns were the first to fail, and within seconds were completely destroyed to the ground, apparently providing no resistance.

Also, if you were suggesting a pancake collapse of the floor trusses you are already challenging the govt's official story, which abandoned that theory a while back.

They now call the collapse "progressive".

Okay seriously, this is pointless. You conspiracy theorists throw out common sense for fabricated realities.

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Originally Posted by jaasum

Okay seriously, this is pointless. You conspiracy theorists throw out common sense for fabricated realities.

I think he's got a point (I mean memeticverb) when you look into it. But yes, arguing - if both sides are totally unwilling to change their opinions - is pointless, and may lead to a number of unwanted things. Now, I consider myself to be a conspiracy theorist, I really do. And I know that a lot of other people like me tend to think of themselves as smart and clever people. Well I say that sometimes you have to back down a bit. There's a time and place for conspiracy theories. We all have our own truths. Mine is not anyone else's. Your's is not mine. And you might say that I'm apathetic, impassive. And I guess that's true. The truth makes people passionate. Sometimes you have to cool off. And sometimes it's very hard to do. And all that means is that you've become somewhat of an extremist. And that goes for everyone who've felt a wave of warmth in their stomachs when they've read a post contradicting their own.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pT_ZqCH8TW4

Americans. You would not like the propaganda on our televisions about you right now.

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Originally Posted by Mystic7

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pT_ZqCH8TW4

Americans. You would not like the propaganda on our televisions about you right now.

Can you possibly do anything other than post other people's propaganda? You have declared a Youtube and posters war on people who disagree with you. That is not debate.

Well it's a war. And we are using debate to fight the war. Whoever wins, which will be everyone I support as I can discern what is correct who is more experienced than me. What statements are worthy etc. Overall whoever wins will naturally deserve to overcome and lead everything forward and I have no problem with it.

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Originally Posted by Mystic7

Well it's a war. And we are using debate to fight the war. Whoever wins, which will be everyone I support as I can discern what is correct who is more experienced than me. What statements are worthy etc. Overall whoever wins will naturally deserve to overcome and lead everything forward and I have no problem with it.

Yeah. Yeah. But can you do anything other than post other people's propaganda?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rFJbWqt6fPs

Not all of it is propaganda. Why should I type something twice when someone else on the net has said it here already?

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Originally Posted by Mystic7

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rFJbWqt6fPs

Not all of it is propaganda. Why should I type something twice when someone else on the net has said it here already?

Because your videos and posters rarely answer directly to people's points and questions. Throwing out ball park videos is not a form of conversation.

I still cant wild either. I personally believe that it is rediculous to speculate that 9/11 was anything other than a mass murder by cowardly terrorists. Two planes flew into two buildings. Innocent people were in those planes and buildings. Terrorists did it. It's that simple. Anyways I still cant f***ing have a lucid dream.

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Originally Posted by Lambobull

I still cant wild either. I personally believe that it is rediculous to speculate that 9/11 was anything other than a mass murder by cowardly terrorists. Two planes flew into two buildings. Innocent people were in those planes and buildings. Terrorists did it. It's that simple. Anyways I still cant f***ing have a lucid dream.

:lol: best post in this thread good luck with Lucid dreams.

beside universal mind applauding me ;)

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Because your videos and posters rarely answer directly to people's points and questions. Throwing out ball park videos is not a form of conversation.

Thats awfully hypocritical. Please show me once where you answered any of facts or questions I've posed.

a little hostile huh?. I stated the facts. Take them for what they are. Not hypocritical. A kind word of advice: when attempting to argue with someone in a civilized manner it is best to not attack them by saying they are hypocritical. Anyways I wasnt trying to answer any questions that you posed because I had no interest in it. This isn't your thread anyone can say what they want. I hope you have more luck in the future.

clearly from pasadena

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Originally Posted by memeticverb

Thats awfully hypocritical. Please show me once where you answered any of facts or questions I've posed.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=37085

Do you remember that satire I wrote and asked you about repeatedly? Are you ready to correct it and write the "real" or even possible in theory version of the story yet? Are you at least ready to answer the questions I kept asking you? Or do you want to continue to refuse to acknowledge all of that? My bet is that you are going to continue to play the ignore game. I know why you are doing that, and you do too.

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Originally Posted by shark!

clearly from pasadena

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...al%20Small.jpg

Actually originally from Oregon. No Im not playing the "ignore game". I disagree with your typical LIBERAL tone that's oozing out of your ears. And why in God's name would I answer your questions which you "kept asking me". This is so typical we have a liberal(which is not a bad thing no insults here) going off on one of there anti Bush anti Amercan tangents. SO ORIGINAL. AND WHAT THE hell do you mean be "clearly from Pasadena". If I was clearly from pasadena I would be saying the liberal viewpoints. AnywaysI hope this helps you all with some guidance.

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Originally Posted by jaasum

Okay seriously, this is pointless. You conspiracy theorists throw out common sense for fabricated realities.

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=37085

Do you remember that satire I wrote and asked you about repeatedly? Are you ready to correct it and write the "real" or even possible in theory version of the story yet? Are you at least ready to answer the questions I kept asking you? Or do you want to continue to refuse to acknowledge all of that? My bet is that you are going to continue to play the ignore game. I know why you are doing that, and you do too.

Your last attempt at "satire" consisted of only strawmen (you know, the fallacy, among many others that you keep repeating like a broken record). I never said anything about remote controlled planes, missiles, fake cell phones, nor anything else you built up to knock down.

Each of us who have actually admitted there are discrepancies in the official account have been sticking to the facts of what happened, and looking for the best possible explanation that accommodates them. We understand parsimony in scientific and logical investigation.

ONE fact accommodates all of this evidence:

"1. Extremely rapid onset of “collapse”
2. Sounds of explosions (heard by 118 first responders as well as by media reporters)
3. Observations of flashes
4. Squibs, or “mistimed” explosions, 40 floors below the “collapsing” building seen in all the videos
5. Mid-air pulverizatio n of all the 90,000 tons of concrete and steel decking, filing cabinets & 1000 people – mostly to dust
6. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
7. Vertical progression of full building perimeter demolition waves
8. Symmetrical collapse – through the path of greatestno resistance – at free-fall speed — the columns gave resistance
9. 1,400 foot diameter field of equally distributed debris – outside of building footprint
10. Blast waves blew out windows in buildings 400 feet away
11. Lateral ejection of thousands of individual 20 - 50 ton steel beams up to 500 feet
12. Total destruction of the building down to individual structural steel elements – obliterating the steel core structure.
13. Tons of molten Metal found by FDNY under all 3 high-rises (no other possible source other than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)
14. Chemical signature of Thermate (high tech incendiary)dust samples by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD. found in slag, solidified molten metal, and
15. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
16. More than 1000 Bodies are unaccounted for — 700 tiny bone fragments found on top of nearby buildings
And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”

Taken from Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth.

Ill also add, basement explosions.

And WTC7 as compared to a controlled demolition.

Again, one fact can easily explain all of these occurrences, which are not explained by the official story.

None of this even touching on the all of the facts surrounding the attempts by the U.S. government to cover-up everything from the 118 testimonies of explosions posted above, to ex-FBI agents who claim there are people in the FBI who are aided the terrorists, and are still doing so.

Why did John Ashcroft place gag orders on Sibel Edmonds who claims to have evidence of FBI complicit in 9/11? Why did he also gag congress from even hearing her evidence when Congress had called her in to testify and present evidence?

Why did the City of New York's government force the 911 Families to court 3 times before being forced to release the first responders testimony, which detailed explosions?

None of these facts or questions have been explained or answered (but instead covered-up) by any official source.

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Originally Posted by memeticverb

Your last attempt at "satire" consisted of only strawmen (you know, the fallacy, among many others that you keep repeating like a broken record). I never said anything about remote controlled planes, missiles, fake cell phones, nor anything else you built up to knock down.

The satire involved claims people here have made, and I said that. It also involved things that would have had to have happened if an inside job really happened. I did not mention fake cell phones, so I am not sure how much of it you read. My point is that I wrote one version of how an inside job would have happened and then challenged YOU to tell me how it even possibly could have REALLY happened. You still have not done that. I never said that the way I wrote it in its entirety was the only way it could have happened, so it is YOU who is using a strawman. The only other thing you have done, other than spew ad hominem, is act like the equivalent of a religious fanatic amateur scientist talking about discrepencies in the theory of mitochondrial evolution and leaping from there to the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The burden of proof is on you to explain how the Flying Spaghetti Monster could possibly exist. The burden is on you. Talk.

So stop chickening out. Tell me a version of the story that could have possibly happened. The challenge still stands. You do believe that a government inside job happened, right? Then tell me how even in theory one could have possibly happened. The burden is on you. Tell me the real version of the story, or even just a hypothetical one that makes sense. I bet you can't. The idea makes no sense.

LIke I said the real version if the story is that Terrorists massed murdered a hell of a lot of people on our land. There is nothing more to the story. If thats not what you want to hear then too bad for you. Where did I come across as one who believed there was a government inside job.

by "extreme onset of collapse" do you mean how fast the buildings fell

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Originally Posted by Lambobull

LIke I said the real version if the story is that Terrorists massed murdered a hell of a lot of people on our land. There is nothing more to the story. If thats not what you want to hear then too bad for you. Where did I come across as one who believed there was a government inside job.

I was talking to Memeticverb. Did you see the quote I posted?