Thread: 9/11 Conspiracy

I don't know if there was a conspiracy but, I saw one video that was pretty convincing.

It is short, and presents some good facts that really make it look like it is a conspiracy.

I don't know much about this but the general agreement is that these theories are rubbish. However, I went to a talk by a 911 survivor who was supposed to debunk a lot of these theories that were presented by one of the professors at my university, but all he did was tell a sappy tale about his experience. It was touching of course, but he lost some credibility because whenever someone tried to ask him to talk about a conspiracy theory, he would get angry and turn the audience against the person. It was crazy. I'll get the name of the guy if you're interested.

There is somewhat of an ongoing debate on this thread.

I presented some of the best theories, some great videos, and my opinion about the stupid theories: they only take the public's attention away from the theories that are valid.

I love conspiracy theories. My favorite books are about them, and my favorite radio show is Art Bell Coast to Coast. However, I am very skeptical of them and usually just look at them as good fiction. I have yet to come across a convincing one about 9/11. I keep hearing stuff about, "But this board should have gone that way and the wall should have fallen over there..." I am not even close to being an engineer or a demolition expert, so that stuff sounds like the adults on Charlie Brown to me. I would love to find a 9/11 conspiracy theory that makes some kind of sense to me.

i've seen a bunch of theories that make me laugh, but basically its coincidental facts that get to me the most with this one. all the other conspiracies are based too much on speculation. like the coincidence of there being training operations on the morning of september 11th that simulated attacks on the world trade center, pentagon, and white house, which confused command centers. just the fact that no jets were scrambled in time for the pentagon attack made me wonder the day of the attacks. and then theres building 7, no steel structured building had ever collapsed due to fire before 9/11. now yes, buildings one and two did have airplanes crash into them and blow huge holes in the sides of them, but building 7 had little to no structural damage and somehow collapsed. while a near-by building was gashed by an enormus chunk of falling debris and never collapsed, i'm not sure what happened to that building eventually but they put a huge cover over it after the attacks. you don't have to look hard at any pictures or videos, it's pretty much right out in plain view. if you want to see a possibly convincing theory look into building 7, the history, the owners, the offices, and the collapse. i'm convinced the bush administration at least had prior knowledge.

I think for the most part, those conspiracy theories are dead wrong. They take a bunch of slightly-skewed facts and out of context speeches, and present them with scary music. It's all the same.

That being said, I wouldn't put it past the current government.

I strongly believe that 9/11 was not what the government would like us to believe.

Here's a discursive essay I wrote on the subject for my English class. I spent hours compiling the most convincing evidence that was out there, so it's quite condensed.

Sorry it's in txt format, file size limitations. Copy it into word so it's easier to read.

It's possible the american government (or something even higher than that) orchestrated the whole attack as an exscuse for a war in Iraq and thus get free oil

I'll just repeat my post in the other thread: This movie (2.5 hours long) presents the conspiracy theory (taken from a different movie) and then presents the rebuttals to the arguement: Here

Why did building 7 fall and how come the government has never given a reasonable explanation of it? There was only very small fires and a modern steel building has never fallen from fires alone. Why did all 3 buildings fall straight down like they did? Everyone who has ever seen an controled demolition will say it looked exactly like that. Is that even possible for all 3 to randomly fall in the same pattern that takes weeks of planning to pull off?

And if you think about it, what are the chances that the government was running simulated attacks on the same targets, on the same day? Not only that but they were also using planes in the simulated attacks as well. Another very odd coincidence was that Britain was practicing simulated attacks, on the same day and at the same time as their trains and busses were attacked by terrorists.

I mean I could keep going but really whats the point? Some common things real quick. A lot of the hijackers were reported seen being alive after the attack. People reported hearing explosions in the towers. The guy that owns the building admitting on film that he told them to destroy building 7. Oddly enough, yes there is a video of him saying that.

Really the most convincing things are not the theories on what happened but the facts of what happened. When you look at all the facts, you can't help but see they don't all add up. Now where you take that, is up to you.

Originally Posted by Alric

I mean I could keep going but really whats the point? Some common things real quick. A lot of the hijackers were reported seen being alive after the attack. People reported hearing explosions in the towers. The guy that owns the building admitting on film that he told them to destroy building 7. Oddly enough, yes there is a video of him saying that.

The video I posted had the video of the guy saying they destroyed building 7.

blabla building 7 blabla is the only reasonable intresting government-related theory I heard about.

What, however, if far more important, and better proven, is that some weird transactions just 'happened' to be made from the WTC at the last minute. And some something-billion insurance or wtc-rent or something like that. If anything around 9/11 is rotten, it has to do with money. Like always.

Besides that, the real 'government conspiracy' is way out there. How they shamelessly tied 9/11, al-quadia, taliban and osama bin laden to Iraq and Saddam.

A friend sent this to me a while ago

1) New York City has 11 letters
2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.
3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.
4) George W Bush has 11 letters.
5) The two twin towers make an "11"


This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:

1) New York is the 11th state.
2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.
3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11
4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6+5 = 11
5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1 = 11
6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911. 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.


Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:
1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. >2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.
4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers
incident.

Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:
Now this is where things get odd:


The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic


holy book:

"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."


That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.


Still uncovinced about all of this..?! Try this and see how you feel afterwards,:


Open Microsoft Word (or WordPad if you don't have Micro Word) and do the following(TRY THIS FOR REAL)

SERIOUSLY GUYS..DO THIS!!


1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first

plane to hit one of the Twin Towers. The 3 letters MUST be in CAPITAL LETTERS TO WORK


2. Highlight the Q33 NY


3. Change the font size to 48.


4. Change the actual font to the WINGDINGS




Okay q33 ny isn't the actual flight number, but as far as i'm aware all the other facts are genuine

I understand you don't necessarily agree with the point they're trying to make in whatever your friend sent you tiddlywink, but I still wanna say how completely ridiculous those things are.
eg "You can spell Osama if you fold a dollar bill correctly! No way!" So the freaking founding fathers picked out the name so Osama could bomb the world trade center a few centuries later and people could spell his name by folding the dollar bill?
Afghanistan and New York also picked their names in prevision of the 9/11 bombings.
The guy who came up with wingdings was also in on it.
Heh. A good laugh on the subject

Originally Posted by tiddlywink101

Open Microsoft Word (or WordPad if you don't have Micro Word) and do the following(TRY THIS FOR REAL)

SERIOUSLY GUYS..DO THIS!!


1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first

plane to hit one of the Twin Towers. The 3 letters MUST be in CAPITAL LETTERS TO WORK


2. Highlight the Q33 NY


3. Change the font size to 48.


4. Change the actual font to the WINGDINGS




Okay q33 ny isn't the actual flight number, but as far as i'm aware all the other facts are genuine

haha, thats brilliant

retarded, as well. Wait... tiddlywink, dont' tell me you actually take that as 'evidence.'

I never said it was evidence as I wasn't trying to prove anything. So don't be so hostile

No, you weren't trying to prove anything, you were just being a moron. We are seriously trying to talk about a subject and you come in and make the stupidest post possible.

As far as i'm aware I was making a fairly interesting point, but I'm not going to bother arguing with you morons

err "point" is pretty much synonymous with "evidence." And I don't understand how suddenly *we* are morons...

...Am I seriously the only person [Edit: besides dodobird] that sees tiddlywinks post as completely sarcastic?

I thought it was pretty funny, actually.

It was funny to me in the pathetic sense, but I just thought that he wasn't sarcastic because he seemed to actually believe that there are conspiracies. Most people don't mock their own viewpoint, or so I've seen...

It was funny to me, and made me laugh
Anyway attacking ( and as a result defending ) a single post is an effective way to kill a thread.

It think it was fairly obvious that it was a light hearted post, and may I remind you that I am merely quoting my freind's E-mail NOT my own words. So in future please make sure you understand what somebody is saying before trying to debunk them, it's basic forum etiquette.

You may find this video quite helpful

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