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Wow, 11 posts used up simply arguing over another post.
Anyway, I checked most of your links, yes indeed WTC 7 raises some questions - still not convinced, though. That one video with the guy saying they decided to "pull the plug" or whatnot, that was a bit weird.
The only "conspiracy theory" that convinced me is the pentagon one. I mean there were no wings or any other plane parts, there was too little damage, the pentagon only has one crappy camera which took 2 pictures of a plane which isn't as big as it should be...
I don't know, I'm here so you can convince me othervise. :confused:
http://desip.igc.org/pentagon_montage.jpg
So tell me, what would the USA have to gain from such a conspiracy?
The war in Iraq. An excuse for the 'War on Terror'. Think of all the political power and oil they've gained from 9/11.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiddlywink101
A reason to expand the powers of the government, in the name of protection.
I have looked through that theory before. Although I'm still a little skeptical about the impact location being exactly where the reinforced section of the Pentagon was built, and also that everyone was closed up for everyone before the attacks had even happened, I still did some research.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonsay
The theories that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon aren't very factual, and because of that, I stick to the fact that yes, a plane did hit the pentagon. Here is a picture that shows how the damage was big enough for a plane to have hit it:
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/...s/hole11_s.jpg
On this link, there are also many more pictures that show the carnage that was left inside the Pentagon building from the impact of the airplane.
EDIT: As far as what the government would gain from such attacks... well, the benefits that Alric and Pensive Patrick posted are pretty accurate. Think of all the political changes that have happened and the power that the government has gained since 9/11. Think of how our rights have been taken time and time again through the propaganda of the War on Terror. Patriot Act.... seriously... what a catchy name for something that takes away so many of our rights.
The government has been able to record our phone conversations without court order... even allowed to open our mail. All they need to do is say that a person "might be suspicious" or something along those lines. I may not be accurate to fine details because it's late and I'm about to go to bed, but you get my point.
Ok I'm no architect and I certanly don't what would a boeing do to a wall. I't still seems "out of place". With that I mean the damage, that that part was closed, the only video of it is crappy... I eaven heard that there were many more cameras that filmed the plane flying and the impact (no doubt abou that), but the FBI or something took the films as soon as the plane hit. What would they have to lose by showing the tapes of the plane, if they have nothing to hide? If someone hadn't told me, I wouldn't have known an aeroplane hit the pentagon.
As I said, I'm no expert. It all seems suspicious, but quite obvious. There is one more thing, why was the Osama family able to fly out of the US when all flights were canceled? Or is this info made up?
Err, hasn't the price of oil actually gone up since the war on Iraq?
Thats because stealing iraqs oil would be illegal and fairly obvious. If your trying to make money selling oil its better to disrupt the supply of oil from other counties, so the oil you have is worth more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiddlywink101
If you want to think about it like that, Iraq isn't a new supplier of oil its a competitor. A competitor that has pretty much been knocked out of the game since they were invaded. Except the price of oil to keep raising as long as we are in the area threating war.
Not that I believe oil is that big of a factor in anything.
The war in Iraq is about sand. I keep screaming that, but the world won't listen. The world's biggest shipped in sand beach is Biloxi beach in Mississippi. That is a fact. Do you know who the governor of Mississippi is? Haley Barbour, a Republican. And he is not just any Republican. He used to be the chairman of the Republican National Committee, and he is very good friends with George W. Bush. That's not all. The state with the most shipped in sand is Florida. The governor of Florida at the beginnings of those wars and on 9/11 was Jeb Bush, George W.'s brother. Think about that.
Open your eyes. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are about sand... and towels... for beach resort states. The government is trying to make it look just enough like those wars have been about terrorism so a huge chunk of the world population will think the wars are really about oil, but that is just a plan to cover up the sand and towel operation that is really happening.
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Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Is that supposed to be for real? It looks like a toy setting for a G.I. Joe commercial or something. I'm almost expecting Gumby and Pokey to walk up to the plane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonsay
The picture was taken 0.00001 seconds before impact. The lines were used to guide the plane into the pentagon, so it wouldn't miss. But for real, I'd like to see a picture like that.
:rolllaugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonsay
I gotta say, that's funny. :laughhard:
I'm one for a good laugh, but we are talking about people's lives here
Black ComedyQuote:
Originally Posted by tiddlywink101
I myself often have a very morbid sense of humour but this just seems wrong to be making jokes about, especially in thsi serious thread
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Originally Posted by tiddlywink101
While 9/11 is serious, this thread is about conspiracies, which are less serious.
Sorry if I sound immoral, but people die all the time and I really think that my post isn't that big of a deal. It had less to do with the real world events than with fictional ones. Besides, I made that joke because I though Universal Mind was joking, I meant nothing personal. I've heard much worse jokes based on other peoples misfortune.
I apologise to anyone who might have been offended.
Don't worry about it
I would say that the conspiracy is pretty damn serious. Any accusation involving a government performing mass murder to achieve its aims should not be brushed away as unreasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Replicon
The actual reality of death itself is not funny, but fictitious claims about how deaths happened can be hysterically funny. That does not mean the deaths themselves are funny. If somebody seriously claims that Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck blew up the Oklahoma federal building, I am going to laugh. If a woman tells me her husband died in the Oklahoma City bombing, I am not going to laugh. There is nothing wrong with making fun of or laughing at conspiracy theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick
I think the problem really is that a lot of people laugh before they heard who blew up that building, Donald Duck or Osama Bin Laden.
Meaning: People make up their mind about these kind of things a bit to fast. They often just don't Want to believe anything like that.
or something
Dismissing conspiracy theories, and laughing at them, is one of the most stupid things anyone can do. Keeping an open mind is vital for the survival of a democratic and free society, which unfortunately has already disappeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Plus, no conspiracy theories are completely, 100%, totally impossible.
That reminds me of a joke. There once was a government that set fire to their own congressional building and then blamed it on someone else. They used this 'terrorest' attack to scare people and take away their freedoms in the name of protection. And then later used it as a reason for war. Oh yea did I mention that it really happened? Thats how Hitler raised to power and created nazi germany. Hahaha, really funny right? Lets all share a laugh at their expense, because its so damn funny when governments murder people to gain power.
Now if you don't think 9/11 is a conspiracy, that is fine. If you looked at the facts, seriously thought it over and said, "I believe them it makes sense." Thats ok. If you right it off as impossible just because you think governments don't lie however, your not only a moron but your jackass as well.