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These empirically verifiable data are what we know. We do not know who planted the explosives or why. All individuals are innocent until proven guilty and an extensive trial putting many key players on the stand would have to occur before we were able to even begin to put the pieces together for every single motive and event of that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by memeticverb
Also, see the thread in the philosophy forum for an analysis of the thermate evidence (still awaiting a response from Dream Sailor).
We also know that Sibel Edmonds and at least a dozen other FBI whistleblowers have indicated that the FBI has been infiltrated by criminal elements who aided the 9/11 terrorists. Sibel Edmonds who claims to have documented evidence of this fact has been gagged by the highest authority - The Attorney General's Office, even after her claims were substantiated by a preliminary by the Justice Department. Since that time gags orders have been repeatedly placed on Edmonds, and even the U.S. Congress form hearing her testimony. What in the world are they hiding? Why is Congress allowing Executive Privilege to override congressional oversight? Ill outline the legal arguments if you cant see them.
This appeal to executive privilege has also been used in the NSA spying scandal to exempt testimony and evidence. It has also been used in the Riggs Bank case where Bush's uncle was found to have allowed money laundering to two Saudi terrorists responsible for the 9/11 hijackings. Do you think it is suspicious that the brother of the President (who is already under fire for not going after the Saudi source of funding for the 9./11 terrorists), is now found guilty of laundering money to the 9/11 terrorists?
There are hundreds of coincidences that nearly prove a conspiracy. They simply need more investigation before a full chronological picture of the events can emerge.
Universal Mind - All you have to do offer one plausible argument or explanation based on empirically verifiable facts for all of those listed in this thread. All you have done so far is conjure up absurd stories that no one but yourself has adopted as possible, as if this somehow refutes all the facts that have so far gone unanswered.
Memeticverb we have totally hammered them. But still emotionally they want to believe religiously, in their impossible 911 conspiracy, despite reason.
It looks like you can't even tell a possible version of an inside job story. You repeatedly back down to that challenge. You and I both know why that is. You also can't counter the points I have made.Quote:
Originally Posted by memeticverb
Try countering this, for example... You are not enough of a demolition expert to know the full scope of but ifs and what ifs concerning your amateur interpretations of demolition specifics, and it is illogical to leap from your amateur interpretations to the bizarre conclusion that they prove that something profoundly far fetched happened, an insane scenario in which you cannot even give a version of how it even possibly could have happened.
Your counterargument please... (I am definitely not holding my breath.)
You are more than welcome to illustrate a possible scenario any time you are ready too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystic7
There are demolitions experts thats are arguing in favor of an inside job, quite a few in fact, it's not nearly like 99.9% aren't talking about it and I would like to ask to you to withdraw that statement and apologize to the firemen and policemen that risked their lives to save people in the horrible tragedy.
Uh, yes it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
Huh? What statement, and why firemen and policemen? Could you maybe tell me what in the Hell you are talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
I dont believe fully in an "inside job" story. Ive merely tried to show the evidence for it, and the obvious controlled demolition of the WTC, which could have been accomplished by foreign terrorists. If you cant refute or in any way engage this evidence except by pretending it doesn't exist because you don't have a "full story" then that not my problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
And you havnt even made any kind of argument. You simply claim that I made some kind of logical leap in the last few posts of mine, but completely fail to explain how. How typical.
I have explained the leap a trillion times, and you keep ignoring it. How typical. How dishonest. Your bizarre challenges for me to act like a demolition expert do not make the inside job story any more believable. It is absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by memeticverb
The sky is orange, fire is water and the Iraq war is peaceful. George Bush is good. The sun is made of ice. Your logical. WTC7 steal melts from fire. And pirates are compassionate. Darkness is light. Deception is truth. And your posts are superior to memeticverb's facts. Absurd is sane, pigs fly, and atheism is correct. The sun will not rise tomorrow and your questions are valid. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is propaganda and the pentagon is your yellow submarine. Fox news is worth something and rain causes drought. Universal mind is unbiased and knows the truth. Did you do a reality check?Quote:
Originally Posted by UM
That qualifies as retort, and it clears up everything. It is more effective than posting looney land videos and quotes of other people. You have proven me wrong, and you have shown that the inside job concept even begins to make sense. I agree with you now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystic7
Time to get more real and address what memeticverb posted. Otherwise you remain a few chips short of a happy meal.Quote:
That qualifies as retort, and it clears up everything. It is more effective than posting looney land videos and quotes of other people. You have proven me wrong, and you have shown that the inside job concept even begins to make sense. I agree with you now.
You don't even have an arm of an action figure toy in your happy meal box if you can't notice what I said to address Memeticverb. I am starting to wonder how many repeats it takes for a point to penetrate your skull. It's an issue sort of like the number of licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystic7
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Originally Posted by UM
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And that works as a counterargument to what I said because....?
I just thought I'd throw something random in. Like when you posted munchkin land over the rainbow and such in response to me. While memeticverb and myself still require you to accept the evidence.
I require you to accept the evidence that quantum superstrings do not fit the theory of relativity, which proves that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created humans fifty years ago by blowing a pile of mashed potatoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystic7
Seriously. The laws of nature defy the ability of the two towers to collapse without explosives. That is about 11-12 grade science. You don't even need to be a demolition expert. All you need is to observe the effect and presence of thermate in the building to understand how it cuts through steel. It doesn't take advanced knowledge of science to understand what temperature steel melts or weakens at. It doesn't take a degree to understand the basics of the structure of the buildings and how they were built to withstand such impacts without collapsing to the ground. Please observe the points memeticverb has raised.
Again Universal Mind I'd like to ask you to apologize to the policemen and firemen that risked their lives for your freedom in 9/11
Aplogogize? What did I do against them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
You showed the dead disrespect by ignoring evidence and not even trying to counter any of the counters to the counters to the conspiracy theories, making figures up and basically lying in order to convince yourself what you unconsciously know to be true, that your government is keeping a lot from you for their benefit, not yours. You showed the injured living disrespect through support of Rudolf Giuiliani who has doen jack shit for the survivors of the catastrophe or the city health problems that ensued the disaster. You showed the uninjured living disrespect by letting their courageous efforts be twisted for the purposes of a corrupt government. Now 'pologize mother fucker.
You ignored my points about the futility of pretending that we can go into the deep what ifs and but ifs regarding demolition specifics. I have only expained it about thirty times in this thread alone. But I did argue the social psychological absurdity of the concept that the vast majority of actual experts would be completely quiet about something that even you can notice regarding severe corruption concerning the tragedy at the center of the biggest news story in history. Do I need to explain that one more time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
Guiliani's government did a lot for the survivors, and now Giuliani wants to lead the fight against the Islamofascism that caused the attacks. I have no idea what you are talking about regarding courageous efforts being twisted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
Wow, look at how personally insulting you get when you keep losing arguments. My best suggestion on that insult is for you to get your mother off the streets. Then apologize to the 9/11 victims and rescue workers for being so incredibly dishonest about what it is that happened to them. Man, you are seriously disturbed. I know why. Would you like for me to send you a PM and explain it to you? Chill out with this personal maliciousness. The site has rules on how far that can go, and if you want to keep pushing it, I will just see about getting you banned. Got it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus