I totally agree with Dick Cheney..

[Neruo]

From 13 years ago lol http://youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I Most of his predictions from '94 were Spot On. (like the stuff with Turkey, there was some stuff going on there some months ago with some iraqe fraction or something). Just funny.

[zitro]

what the hell? I Agree with Dick Cheney??? They called Kerry flip floppers, but these guys are as well. Frickin' Hypocrites!

[Universal Mind]

That shows that they did understand what would end up happening, so opponents can't claim they didn't. The government saw it as not worth doing in 1994, but 9/11 changed their view on the necessity. Because of the apparent necessity of taking down the Hussein regime, those factors were not discussed with the public in the months before the 2003 invasion. Cheney was wrong in saying we would have no support from other nations. We formed a large coalition.

[Neruo]

but 9/11 changed their view on the necessity. And on what ground did they change their view? Not on rational grounds, 9/11 was no proof of Saddam having WMDs, actually, it had nothing to do with WMDs, or anything with Afghanistan Or Iraq. The only thing I saw 9/11 change in regard to Afghanistan and Iraq is that the whole of America became scared of everyone middle-eastern and extremely emotional/ultra-nationalistic. Face it, you just invaded those countries out of revenge. At least, that is why they pulled it off. Your government probably has even sicker reasons. =)

[Universal Mind]

And on what ground did they change their view? Not on rational grounds, 9/11 was no proof of Saddam having WMDs, actually, it had nothing to do with WMDs, or anything with Afghanistan Or Iraq. The only thing I saw 9/11 change in regard to Afghanistan and Iraq is that the whole of America became scared of everyone middle-eastern and extremely emotional/ultra-nationalistic. Face it, you just invaded those countries out of revenge. At least, that is why they pulled it off. Your government probably has even sicker reasons. =) It's like if a woman is gang raped at a mall and the mayor decides he is going to start surveillance and prosecutions against violent gangs. It might have been the Bloods that did it, but the Crypts go down. It doesn't mean the Crypts committed that specific crime. It just means they fit under the new policy. A lot of Americans honestly believe the war in Iraq has been necessary and that it is what will be best for Iraq in the long run. Most Americans don't want to blow up the entire Middle East. If we did, it would have already been done.

[Half/Dreaming]

I don't have a lot of time left, so I'm going to say this as many times as possible. Forget about WMD's and Al Qaeda terrorists. Although these were real threats, the Bush administration made these threats seem bigger than they really were to get more immediate support for the war. The truth is that the Saddam regime violated the rules placed on Iraq continuously for 12 years. Tell me neruo, in all seriousness and without sarcasm, what do you think should be done with a terroristic dictator who violates rules the world placed on him for more than a decade?

[Neruo]

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/...ow_Cheney.html Cheney knew exactly how unstable and dangerous Iraq would become if they took Saddam out of power. Despite that, their planning SUCKED MAJOR BALLS. That's just a silly failure. : )

[Half/Dreaming]

That's just a silly failure. : ) Kind of like UN resolutions? Can you please address my question at the end of the previous post?

[Phydeaux_3]

The Dick Song Jourgensen/Quirin Words: Jourgensen © 13th Planet Music, Inc. 2007 I've got something to get off my chest I’ve got a person that scares me to death First name is Dick and you know the rest Well I’ve got something I just got to say This vice president will make us pay We're inching closer to judgment day My name is Cheney I got no remorse………… run run run Cheney's got a gun I get my way or I get to use force - on anyone You know he’s evil, he’s not of this race………. run run run Cheney’s having fun He used a shotgun to blow off a face He’s still not done Dick Cheney Son of Satan He is the Chosen One He's starting wars at the drop of a hat………… run run run Cheney's got a gun He says he's certain he’s driving them back Were almost done Let’s have another let’s fuck with Iran………. run run run Cheney’s having fun It pleases Satan When there’s blood on the hands Of his Number One Dick Cheney Son of Satan He is the Chosen One The smell of money keeps him alive………… run run run Cheney's got a gun He thinks it’s funny when the bodies arrive What’s done is done The occupation of Satan is near………. run run run Cheney’s having fun Now Revelations is oh so near For everyone Dick Cheney Son of Satan He is the chosen one The Dick Song. Yeah.

[mr.faded_glory]

LOL!!!!! (ltterally laugh out loud) Phydeaux_3 You Just made my day with that song!

[oneironLOLt]

Soemone important told me something tat makes a lot of sense. Saddam HAD to be a dictator because those terrorists in Iraq are CRAZY and a dictator is the only ay to keep them under control. theres no way they can handle a republic over there.

[Neruo]

Kind of like UN resolutions? Yeah, they failed so hard. Tell me again how many people died directly because of them? Hmm? What you say? Not as much as the failure to invade a country with bad intelligence and hardly any planning. Gosh. That a fucking idiots your government would have to be to do that. Tell me neruo, in all seriousness and without sarcasm, what do you think should be done with a terroristic dictator who violates rules the world placed on him for more than a decade? If the dictator isn't a treat to other countries (Saddam clearly wasn't), and if the dictator didn't kill his people in large numbers, no steps would have to be taken. Of course if Iraq was the only dictated state in the world, sure, why not help them. But there are Dozens of other countries that HAD and HAVE dictators that not just pose a treat to countries around them, but also kill their people in such numbers it is to be called genocide. Is your memory so bad, Half/Dreaming? Me and many others have explained you dozens of time that there were far more dangerous and far more evil countries to invade. So your lame "oh, but he was a dictator that didn't listen to other people (UN)" really doesn't justify invading Iraq. Why not invade Darfur? Actually, it probably is to late now, genocide already happened. But that doesn't seem to matter, as extremely crappy media-coverage (both in America and in Europe) shows. The US Army isn't a peace keeping organisation. You are in Iraq for Oil, and maybe just a tad of blind revenge for -totally blow out of proportions- 9/11. (Also, you mis-use the word dictator, probably because of your government over-using the word, because it is a powerful word to control the masses after 9/11. Saddam was just a dictator. He didn't terrorise other people. Even his gas-attacks on the Kurds almost 20 years ago, was just Saddam being a huge asshole, not being a terrorist.)

[Half/Dreaming]

I wasn't sure earlier, but now I'm convinced. Neruo, you don't understand world politics. Its really that simple. Anyone who did understand politics would never say the people like Saddam could break all the UN laws just because people aren't being killed. Hussein wan't a threat to other nations, eh? Once again you reinforce the fact that you don't understand, or simply just don't know world affairs. Perhaps you should brush up on Saddam Hussein's history? "Sadam was clearly not a threat to other nations". What a crock. You do realize that Holland is not the only nation on earth, right? Adolf Hitler wan't killing anyone outside his country at first. I suppose you agree he shouldn't have been stopped. I will agree with you that no crazy dictator will rise to the power Hitler had. I wonder why that is....

[Howie]

I have followed him before some of his current positions. He is an incredibly intelligent man. But he does not smile for the camera. Heaven for bid he would take his job seriously.

[Half/Dreaming]

I have followed him before some of his current positions. He is an incredibly intelligent man. But he does not smile for the camera. Heaven for bid he would take his job seriously. But..thats not how the world works. He thinks people like Saddam Hussein should be lef alone. Thats counterproductive, and demostrates a complete lack of learning form history. Where are these intelligent posts? I can't see through his "sarcasm"

[Neruo]

I wasn't sure earlier, but now I'm convinced. Neruo, you don't understand world politics. Its really that simple. Anyone who did understand politics would never say the people like Saddam could break all the UN laws just because people aren't being killed. Lets see where I said Saddam could break all the laws. I didn't. I said that the reaction to breaking those laws was something a retarded 12-year-old emo kid would do if he was president. Hussein wan't a threat to other nations, eh? Once again you reinforce the fact that you don't understand, or simply just don't know world affairs. Perhaps you should brush up on Saddam Hussein's history? "Sadam was clearly not a threat to other nations". What a crock. You do realize that Holland is not the only nation on earth, right? What countries had Saddam attacked or invaded in the last 10 years? Adolf Hitler wan't killing anyone outside his country at first. I suppose you agree he shouldn't have been stopped. Until he started acting undemocratic, and started being racist, there was nothing lawfully wrong bout what he did. Also, a vast amount of countries were pretty anti-semitic post WW2. The jews were the most popular scapegoats in that time. I doubt anyone, and certainly including the USA, had or could forsee Hitler would go on a genocide-streak after his initail plan for world domination failed. Besides that, I know you like Hitler, but stop dragging him in in every discussion about America. I will agree with you that no crazy dictator will rise to the power Hitler had. I wonder why that is.... No, yeah, I mean, not like since Hitler, there have been Dictators that have caused genocide at large scale. hell no. Haha. Idiot.

[Phydeaux_3]

S'more Dick for y'all to sing along with: (I stole this one) "Cheney's Got A Gun" as sung to the tune of "Janey Got a Gun" by Aerosmith Cheney's got a gun Cheney's got a gun shootin' quail just for fun pointed at Whit-ting-ton what did his shotgun do where was he aiming to they say when Cheney pulled the trigger some dude was standin' in his way That guy never saw it comin' now that Cheney's shot his gun he ain't never gonna be the same Cheney's got a gun Cheney's got a gun News shows gotta run Stories all over page one CNN's says it's true you didn't have a license on you you shot the birds in the air you gave Harry a mighty scare they say he walked up right behind you and never said a doggone thing you turned to let 'em have it and didn't see him there but by then it was just too late Cheney's got a gun Cheney's got a gun..............

[Half/Dreaming]

Lets see where I said Saddam could break all the laws. I didn't. I said that the reaction to breaking those laws was something a retarded 12-year-old emo kid would do if he was president. What countries had Saddam attacked or invaded in the last 10 years? Until he started acting undemocratic, and started being racist, there was nothing lawfully wrong bout what he did. Also, a vast amount of countries were pretty anti-semitic post WW2. The jews were the most popular scapegoats in that time. I doubt anyone, and certainly including the USA, had or could forsee Hitler would go on a genocide-streak after his initail plan for world domination failed. Besides that, I know you like Hitler, but stop dragging him in in every discussion about America. No, yeah, I mean, not like since Hitler, there have been Dictators that have caused genocide at large scale. hell no. Haha. Idiot. Look at Saddam Hussein's history. Just because he hadn't made a move in 12 years doesn't mean squat. I suppose sex offenders who haven't raped a little boy in 10 years should be left alone? Hitler built his army, and created an airforce. That broke the laws set upon Germany at the Treaty of Versailles. He should have been removed as early as that. It also doesn't matter if nobody could forsee what Hilter could have done. He showed all the signs of an agressive leader, like Saddam, and nobody did anything about it. Also, don't try to blame the United States for Hitler's rise. That was the job of the EU. What Saddam did to the Kurds was genocide...there just weren't as many Kurds as there were Jews.

[Neruo]

Look at Saddam Hussein's history. Just because he hadn't made a move in 12 years doesn't mean squat. I suppose sex offenders who haven't raped a little boy in 10 years should be left alone? I love the way you think you are argumentating you case by posing such totally unrelated and incomparably different parallels. If psychological tests showed the chance of the sex offender shows that the chance of him raping someone again is extremely small, the guy deserves a free life. Saddam however, wasn't a sex offender, but a dictator. You can't just ONLY lock up the sex offenders that annoy you, like Saddam did. Having some wrong intel about the sex offender having WMD's, or a didlo and a plan to rape some kid, isn't enough to let the sex offender be hanged in a basement while one of the 10 screaming, masked men make a video-recording on their phone. You might rather want to take the sex-offender out covertly, or even just incarsonate him, so you can be sure about the intentions you claim he has. That would be better, than bombing his apartment block, where mostly innocent people live (iraq). lol. lame parallels are so gay. Hitler built his army, and created an airforce. That broke the laws set upon Germany at the Treaty of Versailles. He should have been removed as early as that. It also doesn't matter if nobody could forsee what Hilter could have done. He showed all the signs of an agressive leader, like Saddam, and nobody did anything about it. Also, don't try to blame the United States for Hitler's rise. That was the job of the EU. The EU didn't even exist back then. Also, people tried everything to avoid war after the horrific massacres in the trenches of WW1. Still, why the hell are you attacking pre-WW2 European politics on a topic about your government's current and recent fuck-ups? It appears you need to reach quite far to find Any counter-argument, regardless how irrelevant, at all. What Saddam did to the Kurds was genocide...there just weren't as many Kurds as there were Jews. So you are saying America failed to stop another dictator like Hitler, before he committed genocide? I thought you just said dictators like that couldn't exist anymore, thanks to America? =)

[Half/Dreaming]

How much history of Saddam Hussein do you know? Like a sex offender, he invaded, started wars, and used WMDs decade after decade after decade. How is that not like a repetitive sex offender? The reason I say you don't understand history is because you say anyone who looks like they aren't dangerous isn't. You're right about the EU, my bad. The League of Nations didn't do squat. As to your last sentences, no. I said nobody will rise up and try to militarily conquer the world, as long as we are in power.

[Universal Mind]

Saddam had plenty of time to comply with our ceasefire, and he blew it the whole time. He had plenty of warning. Besides, genocide and international terrorism should never be forgiven. And he was engaging in terrorism up until the invasion by funding Palestinian suicide bombings, funding Hamas and Hezballah, harboring members of Al Qaeda, and running his genocide machine in his country. Like sex offenders, there is no cure for that type of person. Sex offenders remain sex offenders (That is why they are the one type of criminal in which their neighbors in the U.S. have to be notified of when they move into a neighborhood.), and genocidal terrorists remain genocidal terrorists. Even if Hussein turned into Beaver Cleaver later in life, which he of course did not, he earned his execution. Good riddance to an evil sack of shit. Neruo, what makes you think the dictators of recent years have had Hitler's level of power? They have not and are not going to because the United States will not ever let that junk go that far again. I know that makes you feel safer than otherwise, whether you admit it or not.

[Neruo]

Neruo, what makes you think the dictators of recent years have had Hitler's level of power? They have not and are not going to because the United States will not ever let that junk go that far again. I know that makes you feel safer than otherwise, whether you admit it or not. I didn't say they had the same power. I said they achieved genocide at far to large scales. But I guess it is okay if a dictator does a lil' good ol' genocide here and there, as long as they aren't to imperialistic, and dangerous to yourself, like Hitler?

[Half/Dreaming]

I didn't say they had the same power. I said they achieved genocide at far to large scales. But I guess it is okay if a dictator does a lil' good ol' genocide here and there, as long as they aren't to imperialistic, and dangerous to yourself, like Hitler? O yea? What does Holland do about genocide? If the world were a football team, Holland would either be a water-boy or a spectator.

[Neruo]

O yea? What does Holland do about genocide? If the world were a football team, Holland would either be a water-boy or a spectator. A spectator perhaps. A pretty rich one. And one that doesn't, like the Football player, gets a knee-injury, so after a few glorious years of high-school football you can't get that scholarship, and ends up flippin' burgers or working at a shoo-store. : )

[Half/Dreaming]

A spectator perhaps. A pretty rich one. And one that doesn't, like the Football player, gets a knee-injury, so after a few glorious years of high-school football you can't get that scholarship, and ends up flippin' burgers or working at a shoo-store. : ) Irrelevent. The United States is the Head Coach. We are not just mere players in the game.