Bush's grandfather planned fascist coup in America

[syzygy]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...ascistcoup.htm Like grandfather, like grandson?

[Half/Dreaming]

Nobody cares about GWB's grandfather, and everyone knows he was a Nazi sympathizer. If anything, GWB is helping Jews, and not killing them by the millions in death camps. So, no, they are not similar. What a silly topic.

[syzygy]

Nobody cares about GWB's grandfather, and everyone knows he was a Nazi sympathizer. If anything, GWB is helping Jews, and not killing them by the millions in death camps. So, no, they are not similar. What a silly topic. What are you talking about? W's grandfather was not just a Nazi sympathizer, he headed the plan to overthrow FDR and put in power a fascist regime! It would have happened if it wasn't for General Butler who exposed their plot. How did you know this already? I didn't know it, and the BBC just did a report on it on Monday. Plus, I think you missed my point. It has nothing to do with putting Jews in death camps; Hitler did that, not Prescott Bush. I am not comparing W to Hitler, I am comparing him to his grandfather. The Bush family fortune was started with fascist money and I am throwing it out there that maybe W's mindset stems from his grandfather's: preemptive war, abuse of power, no respect for the constitution or checks and balances, propaganda, scare tactics, use of the media, etc. What is important here, I think, is that Bush believes that imposing his own will on the US and the world is the right way to do things. This is very similar to the fascist mindset that his grandfather had when he plotted to take over the United States. Did I mention he headed a plot that almost put into power a fascist regime? Just a slight detail to point out.

[Universal Mind]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...ascistcoup.htm Like grandfather, like grandson? I see that you live in Berlin. What Nazis are you related to? I bet you are within fourth cousin range of at least one Nazi. Just think what that says about you! And what were your grandfathers doing during the Nazi reign? What about your grandmothers and your eight great grandparents? How passionately did they oppose what was happening? What countries did the Nazis liberate? They didn't exactly go around Europe giving people voting rights and outlawing genocide.

[tyrantt23]

I see that you live in Berlin. What Nazis are you related to? I bet you are within fourth cousin range of at least one Nazi. Just think what that says about you! And what were your grandfathers doing during the Nazi reign? What about your grandmothers and your eight great grandparents? How passionately did they oppose what was happening? What countries did the Nazis liberate? They didn't exactly go around Europe giving people voting rights and outlawing genocide. Hahaha... man, Universal Mind, I don't know if I ever told you this, but you're great. No matter how much I disagree with you on certain topics, your wittiness and sense of sarcasm tends to get a chuckle out of me, and sometimes it even gets me to agree with you. Even though I see where syzygy is coming from, this one time, instead of arguing with you, I thought I'd applaud you. :bravo:

[Universal Mind]

Hahaha... man, Universal Mind, I don't know if I ever told you this, but you're great. No matter how much I disagree with you on certain topics, your wittiness and sense of sarcasm tends to get a chuckle out of me, and sometimes it even gets me to agree with you. Even though I see where syzygy is coming from, this one time, instead of arguing with you, I thought I'd applaud you. :bravo: Thank you. You too.

[syzygy]

I see that you live in Berlin. What Nazis are you related to? I bet you are within fourth cousin range of at least one Nazi. Just think what that says about you! And what were your grandfathers doing during the Nazi reign? What about your grandmothers and your eight great grandparents? How passionately did they oppose what was happening? What countries did the Nazis liberate? They didn't exactly go around Europe giving people voting rights and outlawing genocide. I am living in Berlin, yes, but I am American. Sorry, you had such an amusing quip going there, didn't you? Even if I was directly related to a Nazi sympathizer, and even if that person masterminded a plan to overthrow the American government, and even if I inherited Nazi money to continue a family legacy, I would not try to enforce my will on the world. Now I am not saying that Bush is a Nazi or that he has turned the government into a fascist regime, but I am saying that he might have those tendencies from a not so distant past. He obviously doesn't give a damn about how the American government is supposed to work. He has expanded the power of the executive branch to a ridiculous level that is not good for the country or the world. He has only caused harm for the US and the world and has gotten bloody rich in the process. There are plenty of people out there, including former government aides, who are warning the public that this administration might try to use another terrorist attack on the US to continue the Iraq war and begin a war with Iran, similar to what they did with 9/11. There are even people who predict that Bush will not leave office in 2008 and impose a fascist state. I do not go that far, and am not into conspiracy theories, but I think Bush's motives for doing unprecedented, ridiculous things should be more closely looked at.

[Neruo]

Nobody cares about GWB's grandfather, and everyone knows he was a Nazi sympathizer. If anything, GWB is helping Jews, and not killing them by the millions in death camps. So, no, they are not similar. What a silly topic. It isn't about the jews, it is about the fascist overtake. I must say, his grandson is doing a great job at making America more and more fascist.

[Half/Dreaming]

I still don't understand this topic. You said "like grandfather like grandson" in your first post, and in your last one you said "Now I am not saying that Bush is a Nazi or that he has turned the government into a fascist regime". So, to answer your question, no.

[syzygy]

I still don't understand this topic. You said "like grandfather like grandson" in your first post, and in your last one you said "Now I am not saying that Bush is a Nazi or that he has turned the government into a fascist regime". So, to answer your question, no. Maybe you don't understand because you keep comparing the wrong things. Just like I was not comparing Bush and Hitler (although, if you want to compare how they both came into power...), the post you just made compares two of my quotes taken out of context. In my first post, there is a question mark. It looks like this --> ? <-- In my last post you only quoted the part of the sentence that lead up to my point. Here is the whole sentence: "Now I am not saying that Bush is a Nazi or that he has turned the government into a fascist regime, but I am saying that he might have those tendencies from a not so distant past." If you keep reading even further in my last post, I go into more detail about what I mean. I ask a question, people respond, I give my opinion...this is called a discussion. The topic is : does George Walker Bush's blatant disrespect for the US government and constitution, his insistence on his own delusional reality despite the facts, his insistence on imposing his will on the US and world without support of a huge majority (including members of his own party), his preemptive invasion of a country that posed no immediate threat (and has in the process only made things worse for the area and the US) with "evidence" that was thrown together in a hurry to fit a plan that was conceived before 9/11 and has in the process made himself and his friends incredibly rich, et certera, et certera... does any of this have anything to do with his grandfather, Prescott Bush, who wanted to impose his own will and overthrow the US government 70 years ago?

[bitness]

I ask a question, people respond, I give my opinion...this is called a discussion. The topic is : does George Walker Bush's blatant disrespect for the US government and constitution, his insistence on his own delusional reality despite the facts, his insistence on imposing his will on the US and world without support of a huge majority (including members of his own party), his preemptive invasion of a country that posed no immediate threat (and has in the process only made things worse for the area and the US) with "evidence" that was thrown together in a hurry to fit a plan that was conceived before 9/11 and has in the process made himself and his friends incredibly rich, et certera, et certera... does any of this have anything to do with his grandfather, Prescott Bush, who wanted to impose his own will and overthrow the US government 70 years ago? I do think that the current White House is clearly adding powers to its branch in which they should not even have. That needs to stop immediately, but the problem is that the American public is gladly handing over those powers in the guise of "security" or "making lives easier". None of this has to do with his grandfather though. I would assume though that Bush's decisions are heavily influenced by the neo-conservatism that Rove and Cheney subscribe to. I am curious though. Do you not think that the Democrats would love to gain the power that the current White House has garnered?

[Universal Mind]

I am living in Berlin, yes, but I am American. Sorry, you had such an amusing quip going there, didn't you? Even if I was directly related to a Nazi sympathizer, and even if that person masterminded a plan to overthrow the American government, and even if I inherited Nazi money to continue a family legacy, I would not try to enforce my will on the world. Now I am not saying that Bush is a Nazi or that he has turned the government into a fascist regime, but I am saying that he might have those tendencies from a not so distant past. He obviously doesn't give a damn about how the American government is supposed to work. He has expanded the power of the executive branch to a ridiculous level that is not good for the country or the world. He has only caused harm for the US and the world and has gotten bloody rich in the process. There are plenty of people out there, including former government aides, who are warning the public that this administration might try to use another terrorist attack on the US to continue the Iraq war and begin a war with Iran, similar to what they did with 9/11. There are even people who predict that Bush will not leave office in 2008 and impose a fascist state. I do not go that far, and am not into conspiracy theories, but I think Bush's motives for doing unprecedented, ridiculous things should be more closely looked at. Well then, maybe you are not within fourth cousin range, but you still might be. I know I can't name all of my fourth cousins. I can't even name my great grandparents. I don't even know my father's side of the family outside of his immediate family and their descendants. You just might be closely related to Nazis. And I very much stand by this point... What countries did the Nazis liberate? They didn't exactly go around Europe giving people voting rights and outlawing genocide. And Bush was elected in 2000, even after repeated recounts. He has also had a perfect batting average at preventing terrorist attacks from foreigners on our soil. I think he has gone a little far with the Patriot Act, but I think his crossing the line is a bit understandable and that public opinion will ensure that the changes are temporary. We still have the power to vote people out of office, and I don't think we are anywhere near losing that.

[Never]

That needs to stop immediately, but the problem is that the American public is gladly handing over those powers in the guise of "security" or "making lives easier". That's it right there. We are so dumbed down at this point that the typical American puts more weight on the next episode of "Will and Grace" than their own rights. "Oh that's BS to make you scared." "Drug companies are not out to rob you", "They don't put chemicals in food", "They don't experiment on animals for no good reason", "There is no oil conspiracy", "Capitalism is awesome and will never be a problem", OMG Eminem is cool man", "Sure! Take my guns away so I can feel safer!" etc etc... All of the worst things throughout history had the same people saying the same crap. It doesn't exist until it affects them so much that they can't breathe. In this day of laziness and convenience and television, it is all too easy to make people stupid.

[Cyclic13]

Death of Habeas Corpus

[A Humble Sinner]

What are you talking about? W's grandfather was not just a Nazi sympathizer, he headed the plan to overthrow FDR and put in power a fascist regime! It would have happened if it wasn't for General Butler who exposed their plot. How did you know this already? I didn't know it, and the BBC just did a report on it on Monday. Plus, I think you missed my point. It has nothing to do with putting Jews in death camps; Hitler did that, not Prescott Bush. I am not comparing W to Hitler, I am comparing him to his grandfather. The Bush family fortune was started with fascist money and I am throwing it out there that maybe W's mindset stems from his grandfather's: preemptive war, abuse of power, no respect for the constitution or checks and balances, propaganda, scare tactics, use of the media, etc. What is important here, I think, is that Bush believes that imposing his own will on the US and the world is the right way to do things. This is very similar to the fascist mindset that his grandfather had when he plotted to take over the United States. Did I mention he headed a plot that almost put into power a fascist regime? Just a slight detail to point out. You are telling me that you will judge this man because of his grandfather. Lets asume he made some kind of plot (I'm not convinced, Maybe you could get me some, what do you call it...oh, yes, EVIDENCE) does that have anything to do with GWB? No. You are speculating that it may just possiblyt have effected him. Is there any evidence it has effected him? No. Instead of promoting this ridiculuous theory to discuss GWB's Nazi-like qualities and evaluate whether or not it affects him as a person, why don't you actually evaluate on his actions? Instead of relying on some half-baked theory. It will give you MUCH better results. Just a word about conspiracy theories: Unless you've done some incredible intensive research and fooled the FBI into ignoring you (), you've probably got your conspiracy theory from some documentary. Listen. This may sound incredible, but the twist facts. Any "documenrary" will make you agree with it because it shows you the "overwhelming evidence" to support it but nothing against it. By doing that, I could convince you that the moon is made of cheese and NASA is actually a food store getting rich off it.

[Rainman]

Don't get me wrong. I read none of the replies, except for UniversalMind's sarcastic rant, to which I was highly amused. (Genuinly.) I agree UniversalMind, I have disagreed with you on many a topic, but you're still hilarious. As for Bush's grandfather, I know it seems simple minded of me, but who the fuck cares what his grandfather did? I certainly don't. If I got shunned for the actions of a person who died before I graduated 3rd grade, I'd be pretty pissed. Don't get me wrong, I think Bush is a right foul dolt. Complete idiot. But I don't believe he is a bad person. And certainly not because of something his grandfather did, wtf?

[jaasum]

prison planet = not news. Alex Jones is interesting, but you can't believe everything the man says. He does use facts (such as GW grandfather) But then he makes a conspiracy without support about it.