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Haha... but uh, I forgot. What's the safe number of times to do ex again?
Like once a week? Once a month?
Cause I might go on a "road trip" again this weekend, and we are ganna roll the whole way there n back (a night and a partial day) So I'm just wondering if it's "safe" or not?
I probably will anyways, but I'd like to know for future references. Cause after next week, I will proably settle down with the ex.
Probably once a month. It's okay to have a little binge. Like for a whole weekend. But you'll feel like shit afterward most likely. I would not do it for a few months after that.
Of course that is just so it feels good the next time you do it.
Doing it every weekend for years on end doesn't even produce any noticeable harm if you're getting pure MDMA.
I do the same thing with percocets. They are cheap and the high is great.
But if I have like 9 pills, I'd stretch them out so i can continuously get the maximum high from 3 or 4 pills. And cut my supply off, so i when I run out of the 9 that's it.
Of course, I'm recreational with it, I usually only take percocets , or binge on them every month or so. Enough for my tolerance to go back down so i can get a good high off 3 pills. I think it takes like a week or two for percocet to leave your system completely.
There's no comedown from percocets...well at least from my experience.
What's the high like from an "official" ex-pill? Is it anything like percs? I know the ex-pills down here are cut with different shit, caffeine, speed etc. It's hard to trust what's in them these days. That's why if I could, i would make my own pills.
No I don't think they're similar at all. Percocet is ocycodone which releases dopamine. Proper ecstasy is MDMA which releases serotonin. Mostly, that is, I'm sure they both release a certain amount of both.
Opiates are more stoning whereas MDMA is like clearing your mind completely, but still relaxing.
However the only opiate I've done is Codeine and I must say it does have a head clearing feel, I get so creative on it. But from what I've heard MDMA is a different head clearing feeling. Sort of like all your society based conceptions are blown away and you are your true self (That just made me wonder whether it would be good to MILD with MDMA. Of course not just before sleep, but just take it and get it really ingrained in to your subconscious that you can LD very night). Opiates more just make you comfortable with yourself if you know what I mean.
Yea, so I'm guessing there is a big difference between Ex cut with speed, and pure MDMA? Because mine was 'cut' with speed, or speed based.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
But yea, I only plan on taking Ex MAYBE once a month. Probably not even that, so I'm safe. But if my friends are doing it again this weekend, then I'll bend my rule just once.. :banana:
Opiates = Slow movements, little conversation, sick stomach, more like a drunk feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Methyldioxmethamphetamine - Not similar whatsover, music envelopes you, you feel extremely happy, sensations are amplified for instance carpet, hair will feel so smooth, sweaty palms, your mind will buzz around thinking about things you may find yourself saying how everything is the best.. (this is more similar to a Trip than opiates..)
I think there can be conversations with opiates ( talking only percs here ). That is if your social person. They do kinda make you nod out, but i never fall asleep with percocets. The high is too great lol. I don't think opiates make you drunk, being drunk kinda "amps" you up.
I just like the bliss from them. It gives you that feeling where you are completely happy with yourself. It's always good to get this feeling WITHOUT percs, but it's just that much better.
With weed it's something different about it. It puts you in that "zone" where you completely forget about the past and the future, and makes you focus on the "here and now". Everything looks dreamy and "new" and takes you straight to the subconscious. But since weed is a psychedelic it works on emotions. Taking any psychedelic while in a bad mood, is a guaranteed fucked up high. Unless of course you are in control of your own emotions.
Weed causes a 4,000% increase in melatonin which is why it make you lethargic. I think it can be beneficial to lucid dreaming if taking right. Maybe taking a certain amount at the same time every night before you go to sleep.
I agree completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
I sometimes take percocets, or other opiates, and smoke weed to achieve the same trippy ass high, I got when I first smoked. That was very intense. I actually thought I was in a dream. I could only focus on the present. And I was hallucinating off my ass.. :lol:
I don't agree 100% It's hard to explain though, my post probably didn't make a lot of sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathCell
Opiates aren't like being drunk for me at least. Being drunk I get more amped up as hardwired said. Unless you mean really drunk, but even then I don't agree. On opiates I don't feel tired at all. I could also talk a lot although I usually take them by myself because it's so relaxing. Drunkeness, including the day after, completely fucks my creativity to shit. I can't play piano, draw, nothing. Opiates I can, it makes all that MORE enjoyable and makes me want to do it more afterward (probably that's the dopamine which does that, thinking the reward is from drawing or playing piano). On the other hand I can just relax on my bed with music and totally zone out for a couple of hours and wake up automatically when it starts to wear off.
Touch and music also feels great on opiates, similar to MDMA. I don't know if the actual feeling is the same, but things feel and sound a lot better on opiates.
It probably depends on the person.
But I'd say hard wired that you'd notice some similarities.
Yeah I agree. MDMA does this, but just in a different way. I didn't explain that very well in my last post. Maybe think of it as opiates wrapping you in a nice warm blanket, and MDMA ripping the blanket off and making you feel comfortable without it. Possibly, when I take MDMA, shouldn't be too long now, I'll let you know if I was right lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
So tommo, have you never taken Ex? If not, take 2 haha, for your first. It's awesome :banana: Get ready to dance your ass off!
And listen to REALLY fast moving techno. It's amazing.
Nah I've never taken it but I plan on taking half a pill the first time lol And listening to trance music. I'm not as much interested in dancing as I am expanding my mind. Although I hope to do both and I never dance in public so doing so would mean I've lost a lot of my inhibitions, ready for some mind expanding. But yeah I've researched a lot and decided on half a pill first time, maybe the other half later if I feel like I can handle it.
You know,.. dancing is a superb way of expanding ones mind.
My cousin and two of his friends' drinks were spiked with E.
They ended up in hospital.
Szenario 1:
You consume a drink and there is a substance in there, which you
are not aware of. So you can't possibly know what's going on, can't
properly react to said substance and are a lot more likely to misread
symptoms or go into a full blown panic attack. This case is rather
scary, but there is no real risk to ones health - if you don't take a
walk on the highway or something similar.
Szenario 2:
A problem you could link to their illegality, many street drugs are
laced with other chemicals, which could pose a health risk. This in
my opinion actually is a problem, because those substances are
in most cases a lot worse than the drug itself.
My point is that even though this might appear to be a case of
'hospitalized because of ecstacy', I find it rather unlikely that
there are no other factors, like alcohol consumption that night,
that would have contributed to the outcome.
Another point is that if the pill is clean and the person consuming
it knows what he or she is doing, there really is no real risk.
No man. Take a whole. I promise you can handle it. You will like it so much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Also, you can't say "I won't dance". You can't control your dancing on ex, sorry. You will dance regardless. Unless there is no music, which sucks.
Just put some nice trance music on (you won't dance hardcore, more like a hippie trance dance with your hands), and that is how you will explore your mind, I promise. But doing nothing, will get you nothing. It's almost like music and dancing on ex is the key to opening your mind. That's how it is for me anyways.
- Don't do it in public.
- Have someone else who is rolling as well.
- Drink lots of water, as you probably already know.
- Do it at night.
- And if possible, have a near-by park you can chill at.
I found parks extremely relaxing. Especially getting on a swing, listening to calm music, and thinking.
And also, techno, trance, house, ect is my genre of choice. Or hip hop and rap. Anything with a good beat that flows through your body. But we tried metal, and absolutely hated it. Same with country and rock. Maybe SOME rock we liked, but very few.
Than it absolutely wasn't E. They wouldn't of gone to the hospital. AND, they would of tasted it. Ecstasy ground up taste like metal. It's horrid, and I guarantee you they would of threw their drinks our if E was in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by slash112
So no, your friends didn't go to the hospital for Ecstasy. Sorry, you were lied to.
Or like Dajo said, they had a panic attack. But I stand by what I said, that they did not consume E. They would of tasted the shit.
People like these guys don't give a shit about the taste of it, they just drink it fast as possible for the purpose of getting drunk ASAP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motumz
heard that shit is really bad for you.
I took E before, but I didn't like my trip...I had all the symptoms (sweating, dilated pupils) and I was told to take orange juice with it to enhance the effect, so I did...it wasn't all that great, lol.
weed is better.
Then it wasn't E. It was probably peperzine. But yes, weed is better. If I had to choose, I'd choose weed. There are just way to many perks and pros about weed than there are about Ex.Quote:
Originally Posted by AirRick101
LOL! Than that's their fuckin' fault.. :roll:Quote:
People like these guys don't give a shit about the taste of it, they just drink it fast as possible for the purpose of getting drunk ASAP.
I'm not saying it's completely their fault.. but still. I don't really have any pitty for the assholes who always ruin the party by throwing up or being a douche-bag drunk to everyone, because they drank to much... on purpose.
Wormwood is not psychoactive. And there is no thujone in absinthe, even good absinthe. The psychoactive quality of absinthe is from the alcohol and all the herbs combined. It is like taking a depressant with a stimulant; it has opposite reactions in your body that alter your consciousness.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
If you are all concerned with the purity of synthetic drugs, you all should just stick with good old organics like MUSHROOMS! MUSHROOMS are our friends! They won't hurt us! And lucid dreaming and kundalini yoga! You can feel as good doing kundalini yoga and meditating as with taking ecstacy. But you need discipline :(
In my humble opinion, synthetic drugs aren't worth it. Maybe when you are young and you are experimenting and exploring and curious. Just be careful, don't get hooked on anything physically, mentally, emotionally, or spiritually. It is all inside you, not the drugs. That is why I recommend mushrrooms. Eat as much as you want as often as you want.
Maybe lol Depends on the strength. I check pillreports so I will know the general strength of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motumz
Well, I CAN, but I didn't say that anyway lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Motumz
I said I don't usually dance in public so dancing on ex for me would probably be a good sort of pedestal for some mind expansion if you know what I mean.
Yeah that's what I meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motumz
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Motumz
I was planning on going to a trance club.
Done. Already planned lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Motumz
And yeh I know about the water, chilling for a bit, talking etc.
First thing I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motumz
Or maybe they thought something else was happening and so took themselves to the hospital.
Then they probably got too drunk, or what I said above.Quote:
Originally Posted by slash112
Symptoms aren't sweating and dilated pupils lol, that's two of them but the main one would be extreme elevation of happiness. I agree with motumz it was probably piperazine or BZP or any number of other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by AirRick101
Wrong. When you buy it in the shop, that legal one it even says 10ppm thujone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut
Maybe. But wormwood still plays a part. The other herbs are like Aniseed and Fennel and some others which I don't think have any psychoactive effects at all, unless the taste elicits some neuro-activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut
Yeah, unless you pick the wrong ones, then you're fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut
LSD is synthetic, are you against that? Synthetic drugs have just as much merit as non-synthetic ones. It's stupid to draw an arbitrary line and say these are good and these are bad. And you can easily get addicted mentally, emotionally and spiritually to mushrooms too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut
That's it. You're a moron. Do you know what could happen if someone took your 'advice'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut
It could send them insane if they aren't prepared for it.
Think before you speak. Mushrooms are a powerful psychedelic and a powerful tool, not something to eat "as much as you want as often as you want".
Please gtfo or smarten up.
Low mg percocets, stronger opiates put you out. It's similiar to a drunk feeling, when you've drank too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
I know plenty of pill heads, addicts, you are better off not taking them. First it's percs, than it's oxy, than it's addict.Quote:
I just like the bliss from them. It gives you that feeling where you are completely happy with yourself. It's always good to get this feeling WITHOUT percs, but it's just that much better.
Yeah, I smoke when I'm pissed.. I wouldn't shroom or take acid if I was in a bad mood.. Weed always uplifts my spirits.Quote:
With weed it's something different about it. It puts you in that "zone" where you completely forget about the past and the future, and makes you focus on the "here and now". Everything looks dreamy and "new" and takes you straight to the subconscious. But since weed is a psychedelic it works on emotions. Taking any psychedelic while in a bad mood, is a guaranteed fucked up high. Unless of course you are in control of your own emotions.
Honestly I don't understand how anyone could compare opiates and ecstasy.. When they are so different, their is little to no similarity other than the fact that their both drugs.. Between andupper and what you could consider a downer.. If you take a bunch of opiates(percs, etc..) Your movements slow, and many people will fall asleep, not so much at a low dose.. If you take ecstasy, you are not falling asleep till the pill has had its effect.
You guys must be taking real low doses of percs to even get anything but a sick stomach, or you do so many pills that it makes you feel comfortable because your body is begging for more..
When you start popping OCs you might as well just get some heroin. Opiate class drugs are by far the worst addiction, the worst to come off, and expensive to boot..
My advice lay off the opiates, their are much safer and less addictive drugs you can do.
Dannon..
Where did you get your misinformation?Quote:
Wormwood, Since antiquity Artemisia absinthium is well known for its psychotropic effects. The name of this species is derived from the ancient Greek goddess, Artemis. The relation between the Greek goddess and the psycho-active plant is unfortunately not known.
In the late nineteenth century Absinthe, an alcoholic beverage made from wormwood, was valued by European artists for its fantasy enhancing properties. Many works of Vincent van Gogh, Edouard Manet, Paul Gauguin, Charles Baudelair and H.P. Lovecraft were inspired by Absinthe.
Effects
Fantasy enhancing-, anaesthetic- and aphrodisiastic effects, euphoria, hallucinations and a pleasant stimulation. In some aspects, the effects appear to be similar to the Cannabis intoxication.
http://www.erowid.org/cgi-bin/search...=11&Search.y=5
Do you know how long I have been taking percocets recreationally lol. Like 2 or 3 years now, and no I don't have the slightest need for them right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathCell
My guess is that you just KNOW pillheads, and you never actually have done percs. Yes they are addicting if you chase the first high without letting your tolerance go back down.
And by the way oxy ARE percocets. Oxycodone is the drug in percocets.
Even if you do get addicted to percocets, the withdrawal symptoms I've read only last like 2 or 3 days, depending on your dosage. The higher the dose, the worse the withdrawal symptoms. That is why i said I only take 3 or 3 1/2 to get high. If i can't get high off of 3 or 4 then I stop to let me tolerance go back down.
It's simple, all you need is discipline. You don't think doctors and lawyers do hard drugs? You just have to be smart about it and do your research. I know you've seen "Nurse Jackie" with her pill snorting ass. You can't chase that feeling though because that's where the addiction comes in.
3 or 4 pills is not a sick stomach, are you serious? oxycodone is PAINKILLER, so it's going to give you the opposite of a sick stomach lolQuote:
You guys must be taking real low doses of percs to even get anything but a sick stomach, or you do so many pills that it makes you feel comfortable because your body is begging for more..
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And while we're on the subject. Does anyone know the best drug to enhance creativity? I read that Edgar Allen Poe used to drink wormwood to broaden his imagination or something. I'm actually thinking about making absinthe, just have to get a bottle of vodka and figure out how to make it.
Can't you just buy absinthe? Every supermarket carries it here...
I think it's illegal in america? so no.
weed helps creativity it's just the lethargy makes me not even want to do my art.
Where do you find Psilocybin mushrooms? And what are their legal status in virginia.