Ecstasy on the Rise...What's your take? :D

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

I think it's illegal in america? so no.

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Hm, it's not as wormwood intense as it was a 100 years ago, but it's
still a little different than the regular alcohol buzz. On wikipedia it said:

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USA

On March 5, 2007, the French Lucid brand became the first genuine absinthe to receive a COLA (Certificate of Label Approval) for legal importation into the United States since 1912,[39][40] following independent efforts by representatives from Lucid and Kübler to topple the long-standing U.S. ban.[41] In December 2007, St. George Absinthe Verte, produced by St. George Spirits of Alameda, California, became the first brand of American-made absinthe to be legally produced in the United States since the enactment of the ban.[42][43] Since that time, other micro-distilleries have started making small batches of high-quality absinthe in the U.S.

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Originally Posted by tommo

Why not?
I was planning on going to a trance club.

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I'm extremely jealous.. :(

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Originally Posted by tommo

Yeah, unless you pick the wrong ones, then you're fucked.

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Exactly! :panic:



But yea tommo, I think you have it all down and are ready to roll. But if you are already at a trance club, go wild and dance haha. Either way I'm sure you will have a great time :D

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Where do you find Psilocybin mushrooms? And what are their legal status in virginia.

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Dealers. Look pictures up online. Look for blue 'blood' running thru the shrooms. That's a good sign. I highly dis-advise you to pick them yourself.

And as far as legality goes for shrooms, I haven't heard of anyone getting arrested for them. I doubt cops would care, unless you get a major prick cop searching you. There is almost no chance of getting caught with shrooms. Unless you're tripping in public, with shrooms in your pocket..

Don't take momutz advice, if you are caught they will arrest you. It's that simple, their status makes them illegal, and their are certainly no decriminalization of Psyclobin Mushrooms in any state. I doubt you would be given any leeway, you can enjoy your probation, or whatever they give you.

Moral, don't get caught.

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Do you know how long I have been taking percocets recreationally lol. Like 2 or 3 years now, and no I don't have the slightest need for them right now.

My guess is that you just KNOW pillheads, and you never actually have done percs. Yes they are addicting if you chase the first high without letting your tolerance go back down.

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You'll be a pillhead as well, it's that simple. Everyone that does them recreationally ends up starting with low doses of percocets and graduating to OC 80's by the end.

Percocets and Oxycontin are not the same, Oxycontin/Oxycodone is just one drug, while percocets have Oxycodone and Acetaminophen. The fact that you do percs as a recreation for 2 to 3 years is ruining the effect that these drugs could have if you were in actual pain. Why would you waste your time with a drug that does anything but expand your mind, opiates are great for medicine but Marijuana and so many other drugs you can have far more meaningful experiences on.

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And by the way oxy ARE percocets. Oxycodone is the drug in percocets.

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You seem to only know half the story.

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Even if you do get addicted to percocets, the withdrawal symptoms I've read only last like 2 or 3 days, depending on your dosage. The higher the dose, the worse the withdrawal symptoms. That is why i said I only take 3 or 3 1/2 to get high. If i can't get high off of 3 or 4 then I stop to let me tolerance go back down.

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That's because percs are low doses of the drug that is in oxycodone/oxycontin. You are risking your liver every time you take too much acetaminophen, do you know how many mgs your taking and are you going over? You should be searching for low doses of OC and cutting them into pieces. Taking 3 or 4, depending on the mg doses on these... you could be creating a dangerous situation. More so for the Acetaminophen than the Oxycodone in the lower dose pills.. They usually have a TON of acetaminophen..

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It's simple, all you need is discipline. You don't think doctors and lawyers do hard drugs?

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That's not my point, my point is their are safer and more fun drugs, than something that is chemically similar to heroin... Opium... Which has been the downfall of many civilizations and I've seen it slowly affect the majority of the people I graduated with.. You think you have self-control, but the drug can easily control you.

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You just have to be smart about it and do your research.

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Some peoples minds are naturally addicted... Anyway.. no amount of research can change that.

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I know you've seen "Nurse Jackie" with her pill snorting ass. You can't chase that feeling though because that's where the addiction comes in.

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Wtf?

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3 or 4 pills is not a sick stomach, are you serious? oxycodone is PAINKILLER, so it's going to give you the opposite of a sick stomach lol

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Actually... you obviously take ridiciliously small doses, to not understand what a sick stomach off of too much painkiller is.. Look at heroin users, look at real OC users..









As well..

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

I think it's illegal in america? so no.

weed helps creativity it's just the lethargy makes me not even want to do my art.

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Wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/ar...ng&oref=slogin

LOL.

You have no idea what opiates are like. Just because "your friends" fucked up their life doing too much, or overdosing or some shit does NOT mean everyone ends up like that. That's typical drug propaganda.

How in the hell are you going to tell me that I'M going to get addicted. lol

I've done my research and for 2/3 years I'm still fine. Don't judge me. I do my research and I know what I'm doing ffs. If I didn't i would be exactly like "your friends" now, probably snorting heroin or OC or some shit. But enough of this. Because this is really starting to piss me off, it's that typical drugs are bad mmkaayy. Opiate ABUSE is bad. Like I said if i DID NOT know what I was doing after 2/3 years, I'd be just like your junkie-ass friends lol


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You keep saying there are better drugs out there, but you've yet to recommend something. And please don't mention salvia divinorum, I'm not going anywhere near that shit after the stories I've read on it.

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

LOL.

You have no idea what opiates are like. Just because "your friends" fucked up their life doing too much, or overdosing or some shit does NOT mean everyone ends up like that. That's typical drug propaganda.

How in the hell are you going to tell me that I'M going to get addicted. lol

I've done my research and for 2/3 years I'm still fine. Don't judge me. I do my research and I know what I'm doing ffs. If I didn't i would be exactly like "your friends" now, probably snorting heroin or OC or some shit. But enough of this. Because this is really starting to piss me off, it's that typical drugs are bad mmkaayy. Opiate ABUSE is bad. Like I said if i DID NOT know what I was doing after 2/3 years, I'd be just like your junkie-ass friends lol


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You keep saying there are better drugs out there, but you've yet to recommend something. And please don't mention salvia divinorum, I'm not going anywhere near that shit after the stories I've read on it.

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Your a child. Drugs are not bad, opiates are bad. I've done some before, not for me. Taking 3 or 4 is excessive, go grab a 50 bag of some coke, some lsd. some shrooms, something that makes you think(though coke is more of jabber talk than hard thinking) and isn't in a class of drugs that make you isolated from everyone. How old are you honestly? No amount of research will prevent what that drug always does, it's like nicotine, you will be addicted. Maybe not to the level of being sick and puking when you don't have them, but perhaps desire them.. You've given little detail about your use, how often.

Ain't my friends, my friends smoke pot as well as myself.

Anyone here that knows me, knows I'm anything but someone to buy into government drug propaganda.

If you've done your research why are you endangering your liver with acetaminophen, that is not propaganda. At least be smart and get real oc, low doses could be cheap.

P.S. I've probably done more drugs than you can name..

No MY dick is bigger!

Seriously guys.

DeathCell - Oxy/Acet combo usually contains 325, 500 or 650mg of acetaminophen. Taking 3 or 4 is not a "ridiculously large amount of acetaminophen". It takes about 4-5 grams to even possibly box your liver. Although if I were you HardWired I'd do a CWE anyway so you get pure OC.
It's a better high.

DeathCell, recommending for him to take coke is just as stupid as him continuing to take Oxy.

And no, not everyone gets addicted. That's tripe. (That's the first time I've used that word lol).
Even nicotine, the most addictive drug we know of, some people just smoke every now and again, and are not addicted.

I think it's clear you don't buy into gov propaganda but you still might, without knowing it. I thought I didn't either for a while. For instance I was like yeah every drug should be legal except ice coz it's just fucked up. Coz I'd researched every drug and realised they're not as bad or addictive as I've been made out to believe. But with all the media hype over ice I forgot to do any proper research. Turns out, it's not really that bad either. Especially if you have ADHD it's actually good! And people are fucking prescribed it by doctors!!!! lol

So my point is, maybe you think you don't buy in to it, but brainwashing is a powerful thing. Opiates aren't as addictive as you might think.
There ARE CASUAL Heroin users. It's not one hit and you're addicted.
Most people do have addictive personalities though and since the feeling is so good they want it again and again, and that's where the actual addiction starts to set in, over time, maybe a few weeks.

OC is weaker and less addictive, much less. So if he can stop for months at a time, and just have them once in a while for a week or whatever, he's not addicted and has proven he can control himself. Respect for that imo.

But Deathcell I do agree about your advice on motumz advice. Cops will fuck you over for shrooms. Don't go to popular places hardwired, find your own place, just go walking in the woods. And Motumz advice about blue veins is completely and utterly wrong. There are shrooms that turn blue when you squeeze or cut them but there are also poisonous mushrooms which do that same. Go on http://www.shroomery.org I think it is, when you pick them, take heaps of pictures, top, below, side, close-up etc. and people there will identify them for you.

Opiates are as addictive as you think, I've seen many people fall out of everyones lives and into the habit of getting pills and that's it. Anyone that smokes a cigarette once in awhile is full of shit. Their trying to quit, Nicotine and Opiates are the most addictive drugs around, some people can probably use them sparingly.. but they still hold a grip on your body at least physically. Casual heroin users is an oxymoron, I've never heard or seen anyone that occasionally sticks a needle in their arm. Drugs are not bad, but some are worse than others.. and some have the addiction potentials a lot higher, and their relative safety factor is lower.. Stick with something else, I'd hate to see any more people fall into this pitfall.



My advice to give coke is simply, it's a better party drug. It makes conversation flow, I wouldn't suggest it for an eye-opening experience. And if done sparingly and not in crack or freebase form.. generally not that addictive to your body.. unless you are an everyday user.

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Originally Posted by DeathCell

Opiates are as addictive as you think, I've seen many people fall out of everyones lives and into the habit of getting pills and that's it. Anyone that smokes a cigarette once in awhile is full of shit. Their trying to quit, Nicotine and Opiates are the most addictive drugs around, some people can probably use them sparingly.. but they still hold a grip on your body at least physically. Casual heroin users is an oxymoron, I've never heard or seen anyone that occasionally sticks a needle in their arm. Drugs are not bad, but some are worse than others.. and some have the addiction potentials a lot higher, and their relative safety factor is lower.. Stick with something else, I'd hate to see any more people fall into this pitfall.



My advice to give coke is simply, it's a better party drug. It makes conversation flow, I wouldn't suggest it for an eye-opening experience. And if done sparingly and not in crack or freebase form.. generally not that addictive to your body.. unless you are an everyday user.

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If you don't snort or smoke the coke, than how are you supposed to get the cocaine into your body?

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Originally Posted by DeathCell

Nicotine and Opiates are the most addictive drugs around, some people can probably use them sparingly.. but they still hold a grip on your body at least physically.

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no they don't...now i DEFINITELY know you you don't know wtf your talking about lol

And your seriously suggesting snorting cocaine lol. You gon end up with that nose drip.

If I'm going to do any upper, it'll probably be extasy or adderall. The highs last much longer. I sniffed dope before, and I generally don't like sniffing shit up my nose. I need to breathe through it. Plus cocaine is way too damn expensive.

Anybody have any experience with the new legal high, mepehdrone? Its absolutely boomed over here in the UK, just wondering if its hit the US as hard.

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Originally Posted by Motumz

If you don't snort or smoke the coke, than how are you supposed to get the cocaine into your body?

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WTF? Freebase is a more pure way of smoking cocaine..

Snorting would be the only way I'd suggest.

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no they don't...now i DEFINITELY know you you don't know wtf your talking about lol

And your seriously suggesting snorting cocaine lol. You gon end up with that nose drip.

If I'm going to do any upper, it'll probably be extasy or adderall. The highs last much longer. I sniffed dope before, and I generally don't like sniffing shit up my nose. I need to breathe through it. Plus cocaine is way too damn expensive

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Tolerance on opiates are much higher than tolerance from the majority of drugs, this leaves users needing more to get the same feeling. Generally speaking this isn't an issue that many other drugs have, you can barely notice any tolerance. Cocaine as well has a tolerance problem, but the withdrawal symptoms are not nearly as serious. Ranking withdrawal opiates like heroin high doses of OC are on top with most scientists agreeing that only Alcohol beats it in withdrawal symptoms.

The ones that ranked highest in dependence was Nicotine than heroin.

Though its an ever going debate.

If you look at any list of the most addictive substances.
1. Nicotine
2. Heroin

So it's exactly as I've said.

http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/.../basicfax5.htm

Don't really want to make a thread for it so I'll just reiterate the question.
Anybody have any experience with mephedrone?

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Originally Posted by imran_p

Don't really want to make a thread for it so I'll just reiterate the question.
Anybody have any experience with mephedrone?

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Heard of it either on the internet or by some of my friends.

Price? How you get it in your system? What it does? Please tell us! :D

Its really cheap, if you order it off the net its as cheap as 7 quid a gram.
The best way to take it is to snort it. The first few times you do it its amazing, sort of like MDMA without that magical feeling, You get all the empathy and the openess with people, lots of hugging, chatting, gurning, also get some effects more associated with cocaine, nice amount of euphoria, lots of energy. Negative side effects are, if there's a pretty heavy emotional comedown, anxiety over the next day or two.

The reason I'm asking about it is we've been messing around with it for the last few months, mainly on the weekends because its a rally cheap night, plus MDMA is really hard to come by and this is the next best thing; and a mate of mine has over the last few sessions developed extreme paranoia when we come off it. Starts accusing people of conspiring against him. Every little sentence he analyses and somehow draws meaning to him, not sure if this is a common reaction or something that needs medical advice. Tbh when he's in this mental frame he seems a completely different person to the one we know.
Anybody have any idea about this? Or generally any experiences with mephedrone?

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Originally Posted by imran_p

Its really cheap, if you order it off the net its as cheap as 7 quid a gram.
The best way to take it is to snort it. The first few times you do it its amazing, sort of like MDMA without that magical feeling, You get all the empathy and the openess with people, lots of hugging, chatting, gurning, also get some effects more associated with cocaine, nice amount of euphoria, lots of energy. Negative side effects are, if you binge it there's a pretty heavy emotional comedown, lots of dehydration, destroys appetite, anxiety over the next day or two.

The reason I'm asking about it is we've been messing around with it for the last few months, mainly on the weekends because its a rally cheap night, plus MDMA is really hard to come by and this is the next best thing; and a mate of mine has over the last few sessions developed extreme paranoia when we come off it. Starts accusing people of conspiring against him. Every little sentence he analyses and somehow draws meaning to him, not sure if this is a common reaction or something that needs medical advice. Tbh when he's in this mental frame he seems a completely different person to the one we know.
Anybody have any idea about this? Or generally any experiences with mephedrone?

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Well I certainly won't try mephedrone.. :shock: I'll just stick with MDMA. But that just sounds like a normal drug comedown. Just stop doing it every weekend. Instead do it like once a month? Then smoke on the comedown. Or just sleep on the comedown.

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Originally Posted by Motumz

LOLIMLYING!

This thread is about Ecstasy. And yes, I will call you an idiot one more time.

You completely hijacked this thread and turned it into a cocaine snorting thread. I know the difference, do I care? No. I don't do cocaine, don't want to. It doesn't sound fun other than it being highly illegal. I'd rather do ECSTASY.. ya know, what the topic is about? Or, if I want to be sped up, I'll take speed (Adderall)

Jackass.

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No one hijacked anything, you are running into your defense mode and insulting me because you realized that you replied to my post and than lied and said you weren't. Grow up please. Discussion of drugs can vary from ecstasy, someone else was talking about opiates.. Maybe you should re-read the thread, or control your issue.

The best part is after this post you go into discussion about a completely unrelated drug, yet you didn't accuse him of hijacking and you even replied..

Odd how much of a hypocrite you are.

And all drugs effect your body.. and is thus related.. You can't have your cake and eat it to.

If anyone is derailing the thread it is the children posting who act as if they know what they are talking about when they don't.

No attacks.

All drugs can have similarity and differences. So it's either you talk about just MDMA or you allow the conversation to go.. As I was replying to someone elses mention of opiates anyway..

But really you are a waste of my time, so enjoy yourself. In fact block me, as you said. I'm a troll? A troll with more posts and having been a member longer than you. Sure.

Maybe you should try accepting responsibility for your actions.

Go run up to a cop and hand them your mushrooms. Maybe they'll let you go.


http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retri...24977X09000066
"MDMA reinstates cocaine-seeking behaviour in mice"

http://www.mdma.net/discriminative-s...a-cocaine.html

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Evidence suggests that (+/-)3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) and psychostimulants produce similar but non-identical stimulus effects in animals. To examine this hypothesis, groups of rats were trained to discriminate either MDMA (1.5mg/kg) or cocaine (8mg/kg) from saline vehicle using a two-lever operant procedure under a variable interval (VI) 15s schedule of reinforcement. Once the animals were trained, tests of stimulus generalization were conducted with (+/-)MDMA, cocaine, S(+)MDMA, and R(-)MDMA. As previously demonstrated, both S(+)MDMA and R(-)MDMA ( [Formula: see text] and 1.2mg/kg, respectively) substituted for (+/-)MDMA. Stimulus generalization also occurred upon administration of cocaine ( [Formula: see text] mg/kg) to the (+/-)MDMA-trained animals. In the cocaine-trained animals, however, stimulus generalization did not occur to (+/-)MDMA, S(+)MDMA nor R(-)MDMA. Receptor binding profiles for MDMA and cocaine were compared in an effort to identify any novel and common receptor-based mechanism(s) to explain stimulus generalization of MDMA-trained animals to the effects of cocaine, but only their actions on neurotransmitter transporters seem applicable. Taken together, the results indicate that stimulus substitution between MDMA and cocaine is asymmetric and suggest that although similarities exist between the stimulus actions of MDMA and cocaine, differences might be explained by their differential effects on increasing synaptic concentrations of serotonin (5-HT), dopamine (DA), and/or norepinephrine (NE).

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But Cocaine and Ecstasy aren't similar at all.. just as Dr. Momitz

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Originally Posted by imran_p

Don't really want to make a thread for it so I'll just reiterate the question.
Anybody have any experience with mephedrone?

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I was basically gonna say just what you said happens to your friend.
Apparently it's like cocaine and ecstasy together, without the infamous magic. I haven't taken it, it's illegal in Australia and the dealers just sell it as ecstasy. Wankers.

Anyway yeah, apparently snorting isn't a great idea. Mainly because the effects go away so quickly. And thus it has that nitrous kind of addiction. It's not addiction but you just want to take it again and again over the night because it wears off quickly and you want that feeling again. Some people suggest only getting a small amount otherwise the temptation is way too great to just keep going.

It's also well documented, anecdotally, that the more you have it over a short period of time, the less the good effects show and the more the bad effects show. Paranoia, anxiety. 'Spose it's like speed in that aspect.

Oh yeah and even though I said snorting isn't a good route, eating it also is not because it isn't tolerated well if I remember correctly. The bad effects are more prominent, allergies etc. Don't take my word on that though, I'm going from memory on that one.

IMO slow down your use and tell your mates to as well. I know it sucks that pure MDMA is so rare nowadays, but believe me, it's making a comeback. Just check pillreports.com.

Stay safe and keep mephedrone use to a minimum! It would be safer to smoke some bud or a couple beers if you really need something. Or ADHD meds some people like too for partying.

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Originally Posted by tommo

I was basically gonna say just what you said happens to your friend.
Apparently it's like cocaine and ecstasy together, without the infamous magic. I haven't taken it, it's illegal in Australia and the dealers just sell it as ecstasy. Wankers.

Anyway yeah, apparently snorting isn't a great idea. Mainly because the effects go away so quickly. And thus it has that nitrous kind of addiction. It's not addiction but you just want to take it again and again over the night because it wears off quickly and you want that feeling again. Some people suggest only getting a small amount otherwise the temptation is way too great to just keep going.

It's also well documented, anecdotally, that the more you have it over a short period of time, the less the good effects show and the more the bad effects show. Paranoia, anxiety. 'Spose it's like speed in that aspect.

Oh yeah and even though I said snorting isn't a good route, eating it also is not because it isn't tolerated well if I remember correctly. The bad effects are more prominent, allergies etc. Don't take my word on that though, I'm going from memory on that one.

IMO slow down your use and tell your mates to as well. I know it sucks that pure MDMA is so rare nowadays, but believe me, it's making a comeback. Just check pillreports.com.

Stay safe and keep mephedrone use to a minimum! It would be safer to smoke some bud or a couple beers if you really need something. Or ADHD meds some people like too for partying.

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Yea, I'm seeing more and more reports of mephedrone being some bad stuff. On here, friends, and 420chan.

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Originally Posted by tommo

I was basically gonna say just what you said happens to your friend.
Apparently it's like cocaine and ecstasy together, without the infamous magic. I haven't taken it, it's illegal in Australia and the dealers just sell it as ecstasy. Wankers.

Anyway yeah, apparently snorting isn't a great idea. Mainly because the effects go away so quickly. And thus it has that nitrous kind of addiction. It's not addiction but you just want to take it again and again over the night because it wears off quickly and you want that feeling again. Some people suggest only getting a small amount otherwise the temptation is way too great to just keep going.

It's also well documented, anecdotally, that the more you have it over a short period of time, the less the good effects show and the more the bad effects show. Paranoia, anxiety. 'Spose it's like speed in that aspect.

Oh yeah and even though I said snorting isn't a good route, eating it also is not because it isn't tolerated well if I remember correctly. The bad effects are more prominent, allergies etc. Don't take my word on that though, I'm going from memory on that one.

IMO slow down your use and tell your mates to as well. I know it sucks that pure MDMA is so rare nowadays, but believe me, it's making a comeback. Just check pillreports.com.

Stay safe and keep mephedrone use to a minimum! It would be safer to smoke some bud or a couple beers if you really need something. Or ADHD meds some people like too for partying.

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Cheers for the advice mate. Just a word about the last paragraph, its not really that I need something, its just a new drug so we thought we'd so how it was. I'm not suing it any more due to my friends reaction and reports of it causing auto immune reactions in some people; added to this, over the last few months I've developed mild psoriasis, a skin disease, apparently its an auto immune disease, so I'm drawing a link here.

the only reason I was drawn to it the first place was the appreciation of music and all the empathy. Damn I wish I could get some MDMA somewhere.