Ecstasy on the Rise...What's your take? :D

Check out the ABC documentary HERE

At first, I thought this documentary would've been done with a right-ist slant, but was surprised to see it was actually done from an impartial perspective. Laying out all the myths and facts out clearly, and indisputable. My question is; With all the facts out there on this wonderful drug, WHY is it still considered a class 1 drug by the DEA, up there with cocaine and heroine. I honestly fail to see the need to ban a drug that causes people to enact postitive changes into their life long after they've stopped using it. Not to mention, with all the government propagandized lies surrounding this, and many other drugs, how can anyone take what the government has to say about their anti-drug campaign even the slightest bit seriously?

Perfect example; Had I not taken it, I most likely wouldn't have taken the time to understand the music I now love so much and wouldn't have ever been motivated enough to go out and buy my first set of turntables which has now led me down the route of music production and sound engineering. I don't actively use the drug to the level I used to, since it is nearly impossible to find for a decent price in Japan, but still have good memories and experiences with this drug. Ones that I can recall upon and get chills from by simply listening to a good tune.

Also, please don't bother commenting unless you've watched the documentary, or at the very least, can separate the actual facts from the government propaganda.

I havnt seen the show, but i rolled for my first time last night it was one of the best experiances iv ever felt and been through, if you havnt ever tried it please dont bash it like crazy!

We cant talk about this..... But I voted the first option.

EDIT: I find this strange, because I wathced this video last night.... freaky...

Huh? We can't talk about this? I wasn't aware this was Fight Club...*shrugs*

Considering this documentary was broadcast on primetime television I really don't see why we can't talk about it. Just because certain mods don't want lucid dreamers to be cast in the same light as drug users isn't a valid enough reason to ban talk of drugs outright on the forum. Drug use, just like lucid dreaming is about exploring and pushing the boundries of perception. Whether you participate in drug use or not, to sit there and try and hide or deny it being in the same realm as lucid dreaming is just plain ignorant. Especially, considering dreams are actually the byproduct of a highly powerful psychotropic drug (DMT) being released in the pineal gland during REM sleep. Let's see someone try and argue that. hehe. :chuckle:

If we cant talk about drugs that dont have to do with lucid dreaming, why can we talk about this? If this thread doesnt get deleted like all the other drug ones did, That's bullshit. The other ones were better, and didn't have to do with MDMA... much more dangerous than what we were talking about.

Actually we CAN talk about drugs, and as the mods continue to delete our threads we will continue to replace them until they realize a forum for lucid dreaming is perfectly suitable for drug discussion. Some of us don't want to go to drug forums where we don't know what kind of people we're talking to. Here we can understand going in most likely the drug users are people in it for exploratory purposes. I doubt if icedawg would ever ban drug discussion in all forms, he may limit it which is acceptable but banning it is... for lack of a better word, completely fucktarded.

I haven't done ecstacy, I might do it once, perhaps with someone I'm deeply in love with but I voted that I think the potential harm outweighs the benefits. My mind might change when I try it but it seems dangerous to me at this point and I would just want to use it to bond with someone I already love. Frankly as someone who's done LSD and mushrooms multiple times I'm also very skeptical of the benefits of drugs. It seems like the revelations you come up with are total BS and their truth wears off rapidly after you come down. Ecstacy may be different since it enhances your awareness of life you may be able to notice things you didn't before, just as LSD allows you to see the world from different perspectives than your used to. I don't know, actually LSD did sort of change my life, I guess.

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With much reservation, we're unlocking the thread again so that the discussion about the documentary can go on.

However,
- I'm removing the poll, as it's likely to drag this thread in the wrong direction
- If this thread degenerates into discussions of how cool ecstacy is, etc (which I feel it will) we'll have to stop it

Please remember this guideline:
"Drugs and drug use may only be discussed in context with dreaming. Discussion involving recipes or encouraging illicit drug use is not permitted."

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Considering this documentary was broadcast on primetime television I really don't see why we can't talk about it. Just because certain mods don't want lucid dreamers to be cast in the same light as drug users isn't a valid enough reason to ban talk of drugs outright on the forum. Drug use, just like lucid dreaming is about exploring and pushing the boundries of perception. Whether you participate in drug use or not, to sit there and try and hide or deny it being in the same realm as lucid dreaming is just plain ignorant. Especially, considering dreams are actually the byproduct of a highly powerful psychotropic drug (DMT) being released in the pineal gland during REM sleep. Let's see someone try and argue that. hehe. :chuckle:

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Good point.

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Never done Ecstasy. Personally, I really don't see why it is mostly used at parties with crappy music. If I would ever do it, I would do it in a peaceful place, with some decent music. Research also show it isn't all that harmful, nor addictive. (That doesn't change the facts that there are idiots that take to much to often.)

I'll watch the docu some other day. DAMN YOU BBC, for making so many good/interesting documentaries.

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Good point.

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Never done Ecstasy. Personally, I really don't see why it is mostly used at parties with crappy music. If I would ever do it, I would do it in a peaceful place, with some decent music. Research also show it isn't all that harmful, nor addictive. (That doesn't change the facts that there are idiots that take to much to often.)

I'll watch the docu some other day. DAMN YOU BBC, for making so many good/interesting documentaries.

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Those people listening to the techno n rave shit are gay... Whenever I do it I listen to rock/rap... only with occasional techno to go nuts with. Subwoofers fuckin own when your rolling and techno has a gay ass bassline, its so repetitive and boring. Rap has the best bass and rock has some crazy ass bass.

it's not that addictive but it will leave you wanting more so It can be if you are stupid. and you could be in a peaceful place or a party.. either way its a blast.

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Actually we CAN talk about drugs, and as the mods continue to delete our threads we will continue to replace them until they realize a forum for lucid dreaming is perfectly suitable for drug discussion.

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I'm sorry, that will accomplish nothing. Durg=one_thing, LD=something_else.

Discussion of the documentary is one thing. When people begin posting about their experiences as has already been done in this thread, then the thread will e locked or deleted.

It is my wish along with that of the rest of admin team that drug discussion be taken elsewhere. There are plenty of sites on the internet that welcome that type of discussion.

No, I'm not a drug-o-phobe as some have hinted at already. I am however unwilling to accept the potential liability that comes from encouraging drug experimentatiobn and use on a forum that is open to members below the age of 18.

All it takes is one parent who's kid gets messed up after following a suggestion found here and we are gone.

I'd like to hand it to the admins for being reasonable in this matter though. I understand your opinions and your concerns about this website's reputation and I would not want to hurt this websites reputation but I just think taking a strong stance of censorship against something considered deviant is a bit hypocritical for a site focused on a subject considered by many to be satanic. Obviously we know lucid dreaming is not satanic, but just because we've explored what it is and is not and have looked at the evidence. Substances like ecstacy could be looked at in the same light and while discussion should be relevant to lucid dreaming in the bulk of the forum I don't think that's the correct way to go about moderating Extended Discussion.

About techno/trance music; it really depends on the artist and songs made. If you have ever heard of BT, Chicane, Andy Moor, or many other progressive electronic musicians you would know the construction of their music and beats are hardly repetitive. Just because at times it has a 4/4 beat, a melody which the tune is based around, a restatement of that melody, and reinterpretation of that melody, that actually is following more of classical music theory model. And, nearly all famous electronic musicians are classically trained in some instrument. (BT= Piano, Guitar, Bass, and Vocals; Chicane=Spanish, and Classical Guitar; Andy Moor= Piano)

If you still remain in doubt, just click on BT's profile and listen to, 'Remember'. It's a 10 year old track but still doesn't get old.

The actual construction of the sounds on electronic music are actually really difficult to make and quite experimental, so they are literally on the front lines of music production. So really, without artists like BT, Chicane, and Andy Moor, certain modern music just wouldn't have had the level of sounds to draw from. Also, in actuality BT contracts out his stutter edit and beat warping techniques to rock musicians and other artists in completely different genres.

Just because you haven't had the epiphany to understand the complexity of the realm of electronica don't bash it or act in a biased manner. Unfortunately, all that succeeds in doing is showing your level of ignorance. I know this is kind of off-topic but I take criticism of electronic music seriously.
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Back on topic, my hope from this topic was to separate the facts from the fiction. Many people think it puts permanent holes in your brain or you can easily die from one dose, when actually more recent studies show the damage is reparable after 2 months of non-use, and another study found the drug attributed itself to only 3 deaths in a 3 year time period in New York City where millions upon millions of pills were consumed. The truth is, more deaths occur from prescription meds, so why is it banned and put so high up on the list of bad drugs? Why penalize people for wanting to feel good? I never understood why the DEA feels it's their prerogative to forcefeed their version of life down other people's throats. Especially when no adverse side effects have been found and plenty of applicable medicinal purposes exist.

My objective in presenting this thread wasn't to recruit people into the cult of Ecstasy or Electronic music but to allow them to see the truth surrounding this phenomenon which sprang up in the past 10-20years. I don't want to see this locked so I hope no one here will be trying to directly encourage or discourage it's use...just post your take on this.

Well after watching the documentary I was very impressed! It presents every side, in an unbiased way! I like to be givin the facts. I agree with your entire post solskye, literally the entire thing, people tend to bash elctro-music without even realizing the effort and complexity of the genre and sub genres. Over all AMAZING post really great job!

I have said what I think about both sides of the drug discussion issue, so I will just add that it is unbelievable that the U.S. government is repeating alcohol prohibition except with tons of drugs instead of just one. Alcohol prohibition was such a disaster that a constitutional amendment was repealed by another amendment to end it, but the nightmare is back, and this time it is on steroids. It is the most extreme example of not learning from history I have ever seen. But alcohol is legal now because it's ;) different ;) ;). Yeah. And tobacco kills 1/3 of its users, 11 thousand Americans per day, but no need for a war on that. Let's go berzerk on ecstasy instead because it kills three people per year because warning labels don't come on illegal market packages. And mushrooms and marijuana, GET 'EM!!!! They kill zero people per... ever. It baffles me out of my mind.

I agree with you completely, Universal Mind. what the fuck is up with that. seriously, what the HEYLL.

so, anyways, about how cool ecstasy is. (haha)

no really it doesn't matter that it's cool, it's illegal, and lots of cool things are illegal, like gay marriage. my point here is, and before I say anything else, is that it is an illegal drug and no matter how "cool" I or anyone else thinks it is, it's illegal and by saying it's cool I DO NOT mean I recommend going out and trying it. on the contrary I recommend that you don't.

okay, now that that's clear.

I can't watch the documentary, or I can but I don't currently have speakers so I couldn't hear it. I think ecstasy has potential to be a good drug, but there are conditions. (one is that it's illegal, of course). another is that because it's illegal, it is sold illegitimately and has a higher chance of being laced with something very toxic (I think?), or "watered down" considerably, or not even ecstasy (MDMA) at all but something like caffiene or ephedrine or some other combination of non-MDMA stuff.

I think I should be able to relate my experience with it, it is in the past, and just telling people about it doesn't mean I recommend it. I can tell people about a time when I got drunk and drove my car into a ditch, but no one would recommend that would they? (I never did that by the way, it was just for example's sake.) I will actually say right now, before I talk about this experience, that I don't recommend anyone taking it, seriously. (unless it were to become legal, therefore safer).

I took it once, and although I would describe this as a positive experience, I STILL DO NOT RECOMMEND TRYING IT. I took one whole pill, and it hit me about 30 minutes later. I mean it HIT me. I was leaning back in a chair, and I sat up (I guess too fast), and suddenly felt like I was going to pass out. this really scared me, because of a traumatic experience I had involving marijuanna, in which I had a serious panic attack after taking about 4 hits and really believed I was going to die. (it was not because of the marijuanna itself, but because I had worked 87 hours that week, on little sleep, little food, lots of coffee. not a good time to take 4 hits of weed. also I do not advise the use of marijuanna either.) anyway, it had been quite awhile since the attack and over time I gradually got better at keeping myself calm if I suspected I was about to have another attack. after a few minutes, when I fully calmed myself, I felt...very open. it felt, in a way, like everything, absolutely everything, was a warm cozy blanket. everything was a wonderous work of art, every sense I focused on was a thousand times clearer. I felt "open" because I could absorb everything with every one of my senses so much better. it also felt like time slowed down. everything seemed a little slower. the first thing I noticed was my own voice, I talked to the two people I was with and I was hyper-aware of my voice. I spoke a lot slower.

my sense of touch was incredible, we were all massaging each others hands and feet, which felt absolutely amazing. (and we were all tripping.) in the duration of this whole experience nothing sexual happened, this was a completely non-sexual experience for all of us, but I can totally understand why people take e and fuck, HA. anyway, something I noticed was that my rubbing one of their hands or feet felt just as good as getting a massage myself. usually when you're the one giving the massage, you feel like you're doing work, and the only pleasure in it is knowing that the person you're massaging is getting pleasure from it. NOT THIS TIME. I rubbed their hands and feet for HOURS, and it felt just as good as (if not better than!) getting a massage myself. imagine that.

and I talked. A LOT. I talked the entire fucking time. I talked for 6 or 7 hours straight. up until just around the time I took the x, I had never been one to talk. I had just started opening up and talking to people more. I think x makes people more talkative anyway, but since I never talked before that, I think it made me talk double because I was letting it all out. I talked about everything, but the thing I kept wanting to talk about most was my childhood. before, I never felt good about my childhood. I didn't like remembering it. for some reason, it all seemed disgusting to me, I wished it had been totally different. it wasn't bad or anything, it just didn't appeal to me for some reason. but now, it was so beautiful. I could remember so many things, I remember a lot from my childhood anyway, but now each memory was much clearer. and as I talked, if someone brought something else up and we went off topic, I could always come right back to what I was talking about. my memory was hyperactive.

I have Grapheme → color synesthesia, the most common form of it, I see a different colour for every letter of the alphabet and every number (except for the letter "O" and the number 0, understandably). I don't SEE the colour, I am just sort of aware of it. so these letters I'm typing now are black, I see them as black, but I'm aware each has it's own colour, and so they sort of "appear" colourful. anyway, while I was tripping, it was a lot clearer, which was very cool.

after the 6 or 7 hours, when it mostly wore off, I felt terribly restless. I could NOT sleep. I kept thinking, and I kept rubbing- my own hands mostly. I couldn't stop for a long time. I was still rubbing my hands and other things nervously, off and on, for several days. also a few times in the days that followed I had these nervous attacks, I felt way too open, like I was absorbing every little thing I saw and could not tune anything out.

while I regard this as a positive experience (despite the restless days that followed), as it did help me to be more open to people and things, and the sensations involved were intense and wonderful, I do not recommend anyone trying it themselves. it is not safe. it is not legal. it could be laced with something, you never know. just don't do it.

I hope that sharing my experience was at least somewhat enlightening as to the effects of ecstasy, even though it was just one experience. if anyone has any questions, please ask, I'd be happy to answer. and God, I hope this does not get deleted, especially since I've clearly spelled out many times that I don't recommend the use of ecstasy or any illegal drug.

hey look at this, I found a huge list of slang terms for it and combinations of it with other drugs: http://www.mdma.net/ecstasy-mdma.html

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All it takes is one parent who's kid gets messed up after following a suggestion found here and we are gone.

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Solskye I didnt mean to bash electro-music, It's just not my type of music. I know its difficult to produce and I actually like a lot of it, just occasionaly though. It isnt something I listen to everyday. Mainly when I'm doing stuff that I cant talk about on here heh. I like Dj Tiesto and some baby anne n pendulum... and that "bubbles" german shit is funky in my car. I have like 100 techno cds man.

A lot more people die from ecstasy each year than 3... BUT, only 3 in that 3 year period actually died DIRECTLY from it. Hundreds die each year indirectly, mostly from dehydration. My cousin being one of those stats.

Also, some ecstasy producers put PMA or MDA in the pillz instead of MDMA. This could cause some problems because the lethal dose is lower in these.PMA takes longer to kick in (1 hour or longer). 4-5 pillz with mdma could be perfectly safe, but with PMA 2 might be fatal. If you're going to do it, know what you're getting. MDMA only takes 15-30mins to kick in.

Another thing is, there are so many chemicals put into rolls these days. Some even have acid (candyflip in a pill!), so the user never knows what to expect unless they have a reliable source. One batch had heroin in them from personal experience.

some make you laugh, some make you cry (tears of joy), some make you wanna dance, some make you wanna chill, some make you jittery, some make you chew on everything, some are like damn truth serims... ALL of em make you happy. :)

so, I'd like your personal opinion, if you were in good health, and you were sure to stay hydrated, and you only took ONE pill, your odds should be pretty damn good right?

There were three ecstasy deaths in 1997 and other numbers in the single digits each year of the 90's except 42 in 1999. It looks like the death rate went up at the beginning of this decade. Still, compare it to alcohol and tobacco.

http://thedea.org/statistics.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/

http://uimc.discoveryhospital.com/ma...isease_smoking

Ya, ecstasy didn't start booming until 2000. I remember exactly when it was becomming popular and the raves started. 2001-2004 were definatly the biggest years for america. The pills were only like 2-5 bucks each. Now they are like 5-10 each unless you buy a lot. But I think it is still becomming more and more popular in Britain and they are like under a dollar there.

And to answer your question paperdoll, my guess is you would have a 99% chance of living. Just not 100% because there's always a possibility...

Only time I only took 1 pill was my first time. Then it went to 2... then 3... then 4... lol
I dont recommend that shit though, the comedown blows so bad... and cuz drugs are bad mmkay lol

ever hear bout that guy that tooko 40,000 pills? he is perma-fucked from it and cant even concentrate on anything. They cant even interview him because he cant think straight for long enough.

The documentary explains that the chances of death off of one pill are slim to none. You'd have to treat yourself pretty damn bad in order to let yourself get carried away to the point of death. Considering I've had nothing but utter clarity and control while on Ecstasy, I simply don't understand how people let themselves go that far. Although, I have seen people at clubs dancing and sweating so hard that it didn't seem like they realized the toll they were putting on their bodies. I offered them water and they'd come back and have a lucid moment and end up drinking the entire bottle in a matter of seconds. The only time I personally ran a risk of problems was when I let my guard down and did other harder substances in conjunction with it (smoking crystal meth).

i drank so much water the one time i took it. but i wasn't in a rave or club and wasn't dancing or anything, just sitting and talking with a couple of friends who were also tripping. i talked the entire time though, which i'm sure made my mouth dry. but i didn't have to stop and think "oh, i need to drink some water and stay hydrated" because my mouth kept getting dry and i was naturally thirsty. i probably drank like 15 glasses of water that night.

So Im going to go ahead and ask the taboo question.

Before anyone gets upset note I did mention I do plan to try it once already, but just once.

What kind of setting do you guys recommend for ecstacy? One close friend, or several? A rave or a basement? I know it depends on the person and what you're into. I'm moderately social, I like good raves but find myself stuck in bad ones with heinous girls a lot which makes me think I should try to control the setting a bit more for e, but then I hear you're much more clear headed than any other psychedelic substance so I'm thinking maybe that control isn't even necessary,

One thing I kind of thought would be cool is like taking a girl to a theme park on e or something.

They don't mention this in the documentary but I've heard that it shuts off the part of the pituitary gland that has to do with appetite since it was initially engineered as a diet formula, and one of the other things it ends up affecting is what makes you want to go to the bathroom so that you end up retaining water. So I've heard some people have been hospitalized for drinking too much water where they end up reprocessing the water so that it desalinizes the blood. I don't know if that's just another urban myth, but I sure do know that I don't take too many trips to the bathroom while I'm on it even though I know I definitely need to go. I would highly recommend to take it easy on drinking so many liquids, and know your body well enough to know how long you normally process water, then give yourself time to let it out before putting more in. Especially, if you are just sitting around.

I would say 15 glasses throughout the night isn't too bad because you were most likely sweating hardcore, anyway. I'd still be aware of your intake, though. As it is, on a daily basis, people don't usually drink enough water. They say, you should have at least 8 glasses of water a day.

About your question to setting; If you have any more questions like that please take it up in a PM since we aren't supposed to be encouraging it. Personally, I prefer the private setting at home with optimum music that I control so I don't waste my experience on someone else's taste in music. There are exceptions for certain famous DJ's, and a guarantee from promoters to have a spot in VIP where I have a place to relax. If you aren't familiar with the music that is amplified by it, then I would leave it up to someone you trust who does. It really is a waste to do it without music since it heightens your senses to such an unbelievable degree. And, believe me, I've done it pretty much anywhere imaginable, including, plane flights and while working as a teller at a major bank. Absolutely nothing can compare to the peaking experience brought on from the long build ups and swells found in electronic music (mostly melodic trance). The best thing I can equate it to is hour long full body and mind orgasms to sound.

Achieving ecstasy through meditation is more powerful than the drug can can achieve, without possible physical side effects.

You're right, but it takes a lot of effort. Given the instant gratification society, I can understand E people.

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I've done it pretty much anywhere imaginable, including, plane flights and while working as a teller at a major bank.

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Achieving ecstasy through meditation is more powerful than the drug can can achieve, without possible physical side effects.

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are you serious? how?

It takes time but eventually ecstacy is almost a natural side-effect to meditation. Granted, not the same type of ecstacy high but a much cleaner, wholesome one that gets more potent the better you get. The way I hear ecstacy and enlightenment being described, it seems like enlightenment is almost a permanent ecstacy trip because your awareness of the world is increased so much you can enjoy the beauty of it to the maximum.

I think I feel that, it's not exactly like that trip I had but...ever since I had this "epiphany", I haven't had a moment of suffering or stress. everything is nicer. it isn't exactly like the trip but, yeah I can see that. maybe I've acheived enlightenment, I think I have. I would like to ask a buddhist though.

any setting on E will cause you to have one of the best possible experiences for those settings, unless ppl are sketch and ask about you pupils and why your rubbing your hair and moaning OMG OMG haha. other drugs can def cause better feelings, but maybe not for everyone. dont go to a theme park if its super hot, or anywhere that its super hot.. thats prolly the number 1 buzzkill. Just be with people you can get along with, no matter how many people that is. sex is the main purpose of taking that drug for me (beat that shit up for hours... lol), or dancing, and music is a must. you are definatly much more clear headed on e than other psychedelics but I dont really consider e psychedelic, ecxept for a few pills. mainly the pills that have DPT,LSD, or DMT in em (super rare)


green clovers (LSD based), plain white rectangular pill (dunno WTF this was, fun tho), big fat pink C(total tweekage/dance), orange smilies (laughed for 8 hours), yellow butterflies (made colors so intense/spiritual),and red shields (DMT/DPT based, size of a quarter) ... are the only psychedelic ones ive come across most of the other ones just feel like a minor version of meth or something.

Ps: when people say single stack, double stack, or triple stack, just disregard that shit.... theres all diff sizes and some lil ones can pack a more powerful punch than big ones. Those people jus try to sell "Triple stacks" for more... total BS

No, but you did reach a new stage. There are several steps that you climb on the way to enlightenment and it sounds like you managed to hit the top of your first plateau. Have you ever had a spiritual epiphany before? They are described as moments when you have a complete loss of memory for a short period of time because your spirit went on to experience something very great which you cannot recollect and while it was doing that your body went on autopilot. I haven't had one yet though I've had many intellectual epiphanies that have put me more at ease in the world.

Eventually there's a stage of inner peace you can reach, though this is still only like a quarter of the way to enlightenment. And ignore my fractions, the process of obtaining enlightenment is not conceptual, and can't really be understood though it can be felt, realized and integrated.

And I'd be wary about just asking any old buddhist because the vast majority of buddhists follow a false religon like the vast majority of Christians that interpret John 3:16 literally instead of practicing One Love. Buddhists that act like real masters get the credit when they only have a conceptual understanding of the Beyond, which is retarded because you can't conceptually grasp the Beyond. Truly enlightened masters act nothing like the typical ones going around thinking they're enlightened just because they know a bunch of useless, symbolic facts about the afterlife.

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I'd like to hand it to the admins for being reasonable in this matter though. I understand your opinions and your concerns about this website's reputation and I would not want to hurt this websites reputation but I just think taking a strong stance of censorship against something considered deviant is a bit hypocritical for a site focused on a subject considered by many to be satanic..

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Thanks Omnius. One thing to consider, Satanism is not illegal, nor are most forms of deviant behaviour. I enjoy and celebrate deviance, it adds spice and excitement to life!

Now, that said, I still cannot in good concience allow postings advocating the use of illegal substances or the misuse of legal substances, especially by minors. If even one person is harmed, legal issues or not, I would carry that burden with me for many years.....

Now, let's get back on track, the documentary.....?

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Have you ever had a spiritual epiphany before? They are described as moments when you have a complete loss of memory for a short period of time because your spirit went on to experience something very great which you cannot recollect and while it was doing that your body went on autopilot. I haven't had one yet though I've had many intellectual epiphanies that have put me more at ease in the world.

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If you can't recollect a spiritual epiphany, what good is it? I've had a few epiphanies, the first one I remember had me crying (in happiness). but not one like that. and I don't see any use in one like that, either.

The documentary intrigues me, because it isn't some bullshit filled horror story about why drugs are all bad, for any reason. I don't think it glorified it necessarily, as it had criticism of it as well. But, it's awesome that not all news stories are influenced by the what the government wants us to hear.

Memory is overrated, your spirit collects the information and it reflects how you see the world. Knowing and understanding are not the same thing, with a spiritual epiphany you can better know about your universe even if you don't understand it.

yeah, I understand that now, after our conversation last night. thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Thanks Omnius. One thing to consider, Satanism is not illegal, nor are most forms of deviant behaviour. I enjoy and celebrate deviance, it adds spice and excitement to life!

Now, that said, I still cannot in good concience allow postings advocating the use of illegal substances or the misuse of legal substances, especially by minors. If even one person is harmed, legal issues or not, I would carry that burden with me for many years.....

Now, let's get back on track, the documentary.....?

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I feel that, if someone under 13 got the idea that it was cool they might just be that 1 in 500 that can't take it.

I have to admit though, the only under 13 year old that visits extended discussion that I've seen is Michael, and if he went that way it wouldn't be the worst thing.

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I feel that, if someone under 13 got the idea that it was cool they might just be that 1 in 500 that can't take it.

I have to admit though, the only under 13 year old that visits extended discussion that I've seen is Michael, and if he went that way it wouldn't be the worst thing.

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You know I love you, right?

I was just poking fun.

What if somebody's kid reads about sex or alcohol then drinks alcohol or has sex and they or their girlfriend gets pregnant? What happens to DV then?

DV is legally safe (I think), but from an ethical point of view, we don't want to feel like we are encouraging that kind of thing.
Not that it's our fault exactly, but we'd be a major contributing factor in ruining his life.
IMHO.

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DV is legally safe (I think), but from an ethical point of view, we don't want to feel like we are encouraging that kind of thing.
Not that it's our fault exactly, but we'd be a major contributing factor in ruining his life.
IMHO.

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Then, just to understand your view, what do you think of the "HEY YOU DRUNK!!! POST HERE!!!" thread in Senseless Banter?

I was targetting mostly the 'getting a girl pregnant' part - I should have mentioned that I suppose.

As for the drunk thread, I have mixed feelings. I don't mind that people get a little enebriated and have fun letting go.
What I have a problem with is underage drinking (because things can REALLY get out of hand), and drinking+driving (for obvious reasons), etc.

Now, that thread isn't encouraging any of that. But it could be enticing to a kid.
The tricky bit here is that by saying 'Don't do underage drinking' or 'Dont drink and drive', like a ponce, you wouldn't be discouraging them anyway.

I just mean that people should think about the effects that threads might have on others in other situations.

A thread about how cool it is to have sex with a 14 year old, regardless of legality, would be an obvious no no for me.

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Absolutely. There is a guaranteed victim when that situation ends up happening.

No one has anything substantive to add after watching this?

personally I think all substances can have negative effects on your whole being, spiritually speaking. that includes sugar :banana:

legally though, laws and drugs are confusing. alcohol is still the worst to me

Agreed.

Rule of thumb: Everything in moderation. ;)

The link isn't working anymore. I tried to check it out.

I have, however, been exposed to the ecstasy community (a friend used to sell the shit). I've tried it 4 times, 2 of which it was laced with meth-amphetamine and 1 time it was laced with heroin. The other time I think it might have been strait MDMA, but I'm not sure. You can never be sure.

I disagree with ecstasy use. It has been proven to be neurotoxic, and is very addicting. My friend went through the whole rave thing and ended up in rehab. He loved ecstasy with a passion, and even though he quits he still admits it was and is one of his favorite highs. Personally I don't see it as terribly interesting. It is extremely fun but I don't find it to have any enlightening effects. Most people just do it to party, and then realize that they totally fucked up their brains.

My friend has some fucked up emotional issues because of his ecstasy abuse. I think MDMA is worth experimenting with once or twice, but any more is pushing your chances for brain damage an addiction. To anyone who loves rolling or plans to roll: BE CAREFUL. Check out Erowids MDMA Vault and learn about what your putting into your body, and always remember that most ecstasy pills are cut with all kinds of crap. On night I faced a pill cut with heroin and ate another half, and didn't learn until months later when some one did a pill test for them.

http://erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml

HERE Is the link to the documentary again...


The government is so stupid...as soon as they silence one account another will just put it back up... you can't stop public opinion :chuckle:

Not to mention this was on ABC which airs it's shows free last time I checked...

There was a recent bust of tons of beans not too long ago. They were found in computer monitors. Anyone hear about that?

Not too long before that, the biggest bust of beans ever in the U.S. was found. I think it was close to a billion of them.

That pisses me off. :(

It's exactly like the alcohol prohibition of the 1920's...You can't keep a dam from breaking by putting your hands over every massive crack it has...eventually it topples from the pressure

Doesn't anyone learn from history? I guess not...

Again...governments are only around to control your mind...to keep you from thinking for yourself

Once upon time you needed a prescription for alcohol..LOLZ
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tion_front.jpg

...Just imagine the ridiculous doctor's excuse for that prescription...

Doctor: "Stick out your tongue and say Ahhh...hmm I see... well... drink 4 shots of tequila, and call me in the morning..."

(Next day patient calls the doctor)

Patient: "Doctor, I have a pounding headache and I feel queezy..."

Doctor: "I see...well... 2 glasses of gin and tonic before bed should do the trick"
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I got into this thread a few months ago to talk about the general topic of ecstasy and drug illegality, but I did not take 43 minutes to watch the video first. However, just then I did. I watched the entire video. I think I am more baffled than ever over the U.S. government's drug policies and, even more than that, the propaganda they use in conjunction with them. There is no doubt that the government made up some off the wall insanity about ecstasy. I suspected it all along, but now I am convinced of it. They got some scientist to make claims so outrageous they would make me fall out of my chair laughing if the situation were not so disturbing. When called out on it, he claimed he accidentally used meth in his study. What??????? The guy refused to be interviewed about it.

I am almost speechless. I can't believe this shit. I have majorly disagreed with the war on drugs my entire life, and I always knew the government exaggerated and showed strange biases with it, but I did not realize just how big many of their whoppers are. This is one of the most outrageous things I have ever come across.

Man, I just watched this. This is like... the worst. This is worse to watch than 2girls1cup. I mean, I can understand why you would take a dump in a cup and share this with your partner only to vomit into each other's mouth, if that's what turns you on. But why would you ban MDMA?

Governments are so fucked up. They seem to attract mostly just incompetent assholes and idiots. All the decent people are out there enjoying life instead of trying to impose their shitty agenda on society. Fuck. Governments need to be way smaller.

The worst is that the United Nations endorse this sort of nonsense, so basically I can't go anywhere in the world to just do whatever the fuck I want and enjoy life. Damn monopolists. The United Nations are a sack of shit. (I'm just kidding)

I just finished watching this and I have to say that it was the best news report I have ever seen. It was so informing, intelligent. I weel properly educated; empowered with knowledge. This is what journalism needs to be like, I weep for the what the media could be.

Drugs like MDMA when used sensibly can help strengthen relationships, this is something I have personal experience of. One night on MDMA with your best mates is worth months spent sober, stoned or pissed.

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Never done Ecstasy. Personally, I really don't see why it is mostly used at parties with crappy music. If I would ever do it, I would do it in a peaceful place, with some decent music. Research also show it isn't all that harmful, nor addictive. (That doesn't change the facts that there are idiots that take to much to often.)

I'll watch the docu some other day. DAMN YOU BBC, for making so many good/interesting documentaries.

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Crappy music as in trance/techno? If you listen to it while on methyldioxmethaphetamine(ecstasy) you can feel the sounds, the highs and the lows if you close your eyes you can feel the music envelop your body.. All sorts of music are stimulating, but trance music in general has a different feel that makes you orgasmic while on them.

Their are idiots that eat too much food, people can't be stopped from over-consumption till they solve some inner problems.

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I'm sorry, that will accomplish nothing. Durg=one_thing, LD=something_else.

Discussion of the documentary is one thing. When people begin posting about their experiences as has already been done in this thread, then the thread will e locked or deleted.

It is my wish along with that of the rest of admin team that drug discussion be taken elsewhere. There are plenty of sites on the internet that welcome that type of discussion.

No, I'm not a drug-o-phobe as some have hinted at already. I am however unwilling to accept the potential liability that comes from encouraging drug experimentatiobn and use on a forum that is open to members below the age of 18.

All it takes is one parent who's kid gets messed up after following a suggestion found here and we are gone.

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Suggestion. Add a Drug sub forum that only 18 + have access and have some sort of agreement page that you must accept to access that page. That the following is not the views of the admins or the forums and any discussion is merely for academia and experience. Please do not try anything discussed, etc.. (I'm sure you can find a better way to word it..)

My only beef lies with dealers of ecstasy, not MDMA itself.

I don't use it any more, mainly for that reason [although there are others].

Because of the way ecstasy is advertised [being that it is restricted the black market, I mean], it makes it easy for someone without any common sense to take whatever a dealer puts in their hands. Eat it is the motto, know about what your eating is sometimes not even an afterthough. And that's where I think things go wrong.

Granted, that's the users fault for not being educated, but it's also the dealers fault for not being honest.

As with a number of other drugs [but not all], there is potential for MDMA to be beneficial, in my humble opinion. However, there is a large window for risk involved in ecstasy as well [like most drugs].

Personally, I wish there were still a testing center available. I look at it the same way I look at abstinence; if it's known that people will put themselves at risk over something despite the possible consequences, the least that can be done is provide accurate information to those who insist on taking said risk.

Keep in mind, in saying this I don't judge anyone who takes it, I'm just putting in my two cents.

What is the actual motivation for governments prohibiting drug use?

I feel like that's a multi-faceted question...

For starters it's a form of entertainment/education that they receive no benefits from.
Also it promotes a general worldview that does not support governmental authority, in most cases [because drug-use by definition disregards such authority].
It also provides a useful scapegoat for the government; one in which they can assume moral authority over, and also find a multi-demographic enemy with which people can relate to.

There are more, but I suppose those are the first three that spring to mind.

What do you mean by recieve no benefits? If it were legal they could tax it...

I would guess that actually the majority of voters have used drugs at some point.

Good ideas though. I asked the question because I really have no clue...

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But it's not. So at this point they don't. That second sentence hit it on the head.

Unless you count the fact that certain civil-service authority organizations receive/spend tons of money on "fighting" drugs.

Which is a matter of perspective, I suppose.

Uh think about it for a bit. The question is 'why do governments make it illegal'.

The answer isn't 'because they can't tax it because it's illegal because they can't tax it because it's illegal because'...

If it were legal, which is whole point of the question, they could tax it, so there's an incentive.

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Uh think about it for a bit. The question is 'why do governments make it illegal'.

The answer isn't 'because they can't tax it because it's illegal because they can't tax it because it's illegal because'...

If it were legal, which is whole point of the question, they could tax it, so there's an incentive.

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I'd say there's only psychological reasons at this point. Like inground societal bias against marijuana. Also, a lot of folk think drug use and drug-related crime would go up if legalized.

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Uh think about it for a bit. The question is 'why do governments make it illegal'.

The answer isn't 'because they can't tax it because it's illegal because they can't tax it because it's illegal because'...

If it were legal, which is whole point of the question, they could tax it, so there's an incentive.

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I'm sorry, it appears I misunderstood/incorrectly answered your question. Oops. Please disregard what I said there; I hope I wouldn't give an answer using such poor reasoning unless I missed something.

You're definately correct, there are quite a few incentives to legalizing many drugs. So why persist on keeping it illegal, is what you're asking?

You know, that's a damn good question. One I wish I had an answer to myself.

I knew Cyclic was a drug-head

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Uh think about it for a bit. The question is 'why do governments make it illegal'.

The answer isn't 'because they can't tax it because it's illegal because they can't tax it because it's illegal because'...

If it were legal, which is whole point of the question, they could tax it, so there's an incentive.

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The answer? To appear "tough on crime." If there are three words more corrosive to a free society, I don't know what they are. All it takes is one parent to spearhead a movement to outlaw drug X because it lead their previously golden child into a deviant lifestyle consistent with the criminal element, and the politicians will line up at their door, with the AARP and The 700 Club trailing behind.

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Pretty ignorant and arrogant of you.

Even though acatelophobic misunderstood your question "It also provides a useful scapegoat for the government; one in which they can assume moral authority over, and also find a multi-demographic enemy with which people can relate to."
That sums it up.
It was started for monetary reasons. Hemp = awesome paper, clothing, rope etc. crop. Forests = quick, destructive, but very profitable paper. I'm sure you know the story by now. But to sum up quickly, William Randolph Herst was a "yellow journalist" (meaning he printed outright lies, just off the top of his head, to sell papers and his own opinion). He owned a newspaper company and they used tree paper, Hemp was taking off because some Hemp farmers invented the decorticator, which made Hemp farming profitable. Hearst didn't like this so he printed bullshit stories about "blacks smoking this drug Marihuana and raping white women", "people going crazy after one hit" etc. You know all the Reefer Madness stories.
The Gov banned it without realising they were also banning Hemp.

So that's the REAL reason. Money. It was covered up as racism because of the fears of that time (1930's).

Now though, it is because the government has something they can appeal to every demographic on. Except for young kids now, which are progressively loving drugs and/or hating the government and their drug war.
But with everyone besides this generation of kids (who get reliable information on the internet, untainted by government bullshit), being "tough on drugs" wins instant votes.

Also they can say that "oh all this murder, rape and theft isn't OUR fault, it's all these drugs!"
If only people would realise that drug related crime is directly the governments fault....

Anyway. I feel like saying something about MDMA now but I'm in such a shit mood from talking about the drug war. Thanks guys :lol: :(

the video isn't playing for me - is there another version of it somewhere?


(here's what i have to say aside from the actual video content)

wait, are we differentiating 'ecstasy' from pure MDMA?? there's a difference between the two.

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Even though acatelophobic misunderstood your question "It also provides a useful scapegoat for the government; one in which they can assume moral authority over, and also find a multi-demographic enemy with which people can relate to."
That sums it up.
It was started for monetary reasons. Hemp = awesome paper, clothing, rope etc. crop. Forests = quick, destructive, but very profitable paper. I'm sure you know the story by now. But to sum up quickly, William Randolph Herst was a "yellow journalist" (meaning he printed outright lies, just off the top of his head, to sell papers and his own opinion). He owned a newspaper company and they used tree paper, Hemp was taking off because some Hemp farmers invented the decorticator, which made Hemp farming profitable. Hearst didn't like this so he printed bullshit stories about "blacks smoking this drug Marihuana and raping white women", "people going crazy after one hit" etc. You know all the Reefer Madness stories.
The Gov banned it without realising they were also banning Hemp.

So that's the REAL reason. Money. It was covered up as racism because of the fears of that time (1930's).

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Hrmm, that's not entirely accurate. Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon, who founded the Bureau of Narcotics under the auspices of the Treasury (wtf?!), had every incentive to see hemp outlawed as well, because of his majority interest in Dupont, which had several pending patents for processes related to woodpulp paper and nylon fibers, for which hemp products were poised to become a strong competitor. It was that Bureau, headed by Mellon's nephew-in-law, that commissioned "Reefer Madness" and other propaganda films, and pushed cannabis prohibition through congress, using Hearst's articles and his term "marihuana" to keep legislators in the dark as to what they were actually prohibiting.

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Close enough. I was trying to give a short version. I can never remember all the details though so thanks for that.

Cygnus - I assume we're talking MDMA, and ecstasy meaning/assuming a person has pure MDMA. Even though most people have never even tried pure MDMA. Even the people who have taken 1000's of pills. Especially the people just starting out in the last few years though. Pills are shit everywhere except for certain states in America (Cali etc.) and certain places in Europe.
Australia is basically MDMA free tbh (for average person, I'm sure rich people can get it). We haven't had a good pill in a year or more.

I have done esctasy twice now. It is amazing, but I am done for now. I will most likely do it again in the Summer. But for now I am sticking to finding some Molly (pure MDMA)

In my opinion, virtually harmless drugs like MDMA are illegal so that the Government has a scapegoat upon which they can point the finger of blame for all of our "problems." If that makes sense. It's not even that, really, it's almost like, we need another thing to declare "war" on, so that we can overcome whatever invisible "enemy" there is next.

Perhaps it's that they do know the potential that drugs hold for expanding one's mind. Maybe they're trying to suppress that. I would not be surprised. A dumb, afraid population such as USA's, is an easily controlled population.

I have taken ecstacy once. Though I never intend to do it again, it was one of the most eye-opening and amazing experiences of my life, coupled with one of the most depressing and hurtful, due to a 5 minute bad trip session, and then a 3 day crash of severe depression. Drugs aren't for everyone. That said, I don't regret it.

It's nice to see an even, unbiased news report. I can't believe that it was factual. What's this? Factual reporting? Maybe there is some hope for the fate of society. Afterall, news and media controls pretty much everything we do.

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In my opinion, virtually harmless drugs like MDMA are illegal so that the Government has a scapegoat upon which they can point the finger of blame for all of our "problems." If that makes sense. It's not even that, really, it's almost like, we need another thing to declare "war" on, so that we can overcome whatever invisible "enemy" there is next.

Perhaps it's that they do know the potential that drugs hold for expanding one's mind. Maybe they're trying to suppress that. I would not be surprised. A dumb, afraid population such as USA's, is an easily controlled population.

I have taken ecstacy once. Though I never intend to do it again, it was one of the most eye-opening and amazing experiences of my life, coupled with one of the most depressing and hurtful, due to a 5 minute bad trip session, and then a 3 day crash of severe depression. Drugs aren't for everyone. That said, I don't regret it.

It's nice to see an even, unbiased news report. I can't believe that it was factual. What's this? Factual reporting? Maybe there is some hope for the fate of society. Afterall, news and media controls pretty much everything we do.

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Couldn't of said it better! And that sucks about your bad come down, just smoke on the way down, it makes it perfect! :D

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I have taken ecstacy once. Though I never intend to do it again, it was one of the most eye-opening and amazing experiences of my life, coupled with one of the most depressing and hurtful, due to a 5 minute bad trip session, and then a 3 day crash of severe depression. Drugs aren't for everyone. That said, I don't regret it.

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5 minute bad trip? Was that due the the ecstasy or did you take something else afterward?
Afaik it's impossible to have a bad trip on pure MDMA.
I'm not doubting you, just curious.

There's no real rational argument for the continued criminalisation of various drugs. Anyone sensible can see it's purely arbitrary in many cases. There's very little evidence supporting the idea of gateway drugs, and there is plenty of evidence that many are less harmful than alcohol and tobacco, and that's not even considering the impurity of street products with no regulation.

The only reason alcohol is not banned is likely because societies have been consuming it en mass for a very long time now, and any government who tried would have no success whatsoever; see what happened in the US during the prohibition era where it encouraged more crime and had many negative effects. Though of course, idiotic politicians and the ignorant masses fail to learn from this.

As for why so many governments are against drugs, ironically causing the illegal drug trade to flourish in the process, with all the evils it creates... who knows? Perhaps they believe their own propaganda on drugs, or perhaps they want to try to force their beliefs on overs? Perhaps they believe that legalisation is a slippery slope that will lead to everyone being a crack addict? The fact that the latter has little basis in reality doesn't seem to stop most governments.

I didn't take anything afterwards, and no, it's not impossible to have a bad trip on anything that alters your brain chemistry. I suppose it depends on what your idea of a bad trip is.

I wasn't using pure MDMA anyway, it was that plus who knows what else in this particular dose. It only lasted maybe 5 or ten minutes, but I was freaking out, I thought everyone hated me, and I had this incredibly strong feeling that everything was meaningless, and that I had no home, and just a whole bunch of horrible things.

But then I snapped out of it and was chattering away and smiling, and loving everyone again. Heh.

If you take ecstasy and have a "bad trip" per se, I would in the future avoid all hallucigens. Really, you are obviously not made for this kind of experience.(A general statement) I've only met one person who I saw have a bad time and they were kind of simpleminded... not to be overtly rude..

Rainman sounds like you got a dose of something else, 5 - 10 minutes is not MDMA.

Because I'm not sure how anyone could actually have a bad trip.. even the worst time on E.. isn't that bad.. You'll probably more likely to be mad that what you got wasn't real MDMA or was short acting in bursts..

I fell in love with E. It was such a spiritual bonding experience. Then it turned on me. I wouldn't get the blissful feeling but instead scary energy rushes where I would feel like I was going to have a heart attack or faint. I stopped using it.

I think that it can be used responsibly once or a few times. But it is a false coin. The love you feel is really inside you and it should be teaching you to find the love inside yourself and to not depend on a synthetic chemical that alters your brain chemsitry.

A lot of people get hooked on it. But then it doesn't deliver the spiritual bliss anymore and it leaves them depressed with all their seratonin used up. It can take the brain a long time to recover, not to mention the liver and the kidneys and the nervous system. That is why E heads tend to have tight shoulders and a slight hunch in their back with their head hanging forward instead of on top of their shoulders.

But used very responsibly it can show you the possibilties of sensativity and positivity and bliss possible. So I don't thin that it should be illegal, but somehow controlled, because it is powerful. Maybe it could be by prescription?

Yes, you can feel that ecstasy naturally with meditation and breathing and yoga. And it is permanent! The love is inside you, the bliss is inside you, the drug is a finger pointing at the moon. Look at the moon, not the finger!

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If it were prescription, it would be much much safer to use :) Maybe they would even sell like Molly, instead of Ex. In small amounts of course.

I've had exstacy before, but it was bunk shit. White naked lady. Had me shivering even though it was hot out. Probally cut with some bullshit. Most drugs these days are cut to hell anyway. All of it is garbage lol, unless you get lucky.

I had a friend though that used to drive out of town to get ex-pills, he had all kinds. Purple aliens and yellow pikachus and shit. I never had any of those before, i only had the bunk naked lady pill. Exstacy is fucking expensive. $15 to $25 for a hit.

Hey and since we're on this subject...for educational purposes only: I know MDMA/MDA is made from safrole, an oil found in certain plants ( sassafras root bark ). How much safrole does the root bark contain? And what would you do if you wanted to extract the safrole from the root bark? I imagine you have to be a damn good chemist to do this. Maybe steam distillation would work? I mean would a couple of grams of sassasfra root bark be enough to make say a hit of MDA/MDMA.

Again, this is for EDUCATIONAL purposes only. Sassafras root bark IS legal in the U.S.

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Yea, guy from my neighborhood self-destructed on that ex. Armed Robbery, ran into someone's house and shot someone. I tell people you have to use these type of things in moderation, give your brain time to produce more seratonin. People that get addicted to ex, arn't addicted to the drug, the feeling they GET from the drug is what is addicting. Not being scared. You have to learn to overcome fear WITHOUT drugs. This is the most liberating.

To the OP, i've never gotten a "spiritual bliss" trip from ex. I have gotten bliss from Percocet. That's about it. Bliss is definitely something else.

Anyone remember Obama's answer on "did you inhale the marijuana", he like "yea, that was the POINT"

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Yes, I loved that answer Obama gave!

I never did Ecstasy pills, just powder. I had some really good shit where I was watching an eagle fly in the sky and I could see the thermals he was riding, it was like he was surfing. I was giggling and drooling.
Not being able to have a negative thought or feeling. I also had some stuff that was cut with speed and heroin. That is the thing with chemicals.
Now I stick with the good old fungi!!!

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Hey and since we're on this subject...for educational purposes only: I know MDMA/MDA is made from safrole, an oil found in certain plants ( sassafras root bark ). How much safrole does the root bark contain? And what would you do if you wanted to extract the safrole from the root bark? I imagine you have to be a damn good chemist to do this. Maybe steam distillation would work? I mean would a couple of grams of sassasfra root bark be enough to make say a hit of MDA/MDMA.

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Heh, I've been thinking the same thing myself, even saw some Sassafras seeds for sale on a reputable site. It is VERY easy to extract it, just look up guides online, it's not hard but to actually then SYNTHESISE the MDMA from the Safrole is quite difficult. It's not hard for someone who's not stupid, basically anyone above the intelligence of the average person could get it perfect after a few tried. But the equipment also costs about $800 US.

But I've definitely been contemplating trying it. Also another way to reduce possible harm is to buy testing kits. Go on pillreports.com and check to see which ones are good. The most recent ones in your area. Get those, test them to make sure they're the same (some dealers reproduce shit ones with the same logo after they get a good rep, so this is why you get them early). And then you can clean the pills with 100% isopropyl alcohol. Just chuck em in there, mix up, filter and the crystals will be in the filter coz they don't dissolve in isopropyl alcohol, all the other crap like binders and whatever else should be gone.
Goggle cleaning ecstasy and it should be on bluelight forums for a more complete, clear step by step process guide.

That's probably the easiest and cheapest way to get pure-ish MDMA.

Note: This is to reduce harm, I recommend not to take it anyway, buy if you're going to, this is the best way to minimise your chances of contaminated pills.

Just for your information, not that I am advocating making Ecstasy, it is more dangerous to make it than to buy it on the street. Unless you learn from a chemist who knows how to make it and you use a laboratory. There is an easy way to make it and a hard way. The easy way isn't very clean and is not the good stuff.

Also, the ingredients that you need are watched by the DEA so that if you order them or buy them the DEA will start watching you. Then you have to test out what you made, that is the most risky part. You know all those stories of scientists testing out what they made? Like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and the invisible man, and Albert Hoffman?

Yea I wouldn't recommend making it either. Especially something as shady as Ecstasy. Just find some Molly.. :)

Naked ladies??

All white with a G on one side and a woman on the other? Hoes up, G's down?

They were bomb two years ago. If your a good chemist perhaps you should make it, otherwise I wouldn't suggest it..

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Yeah, that's all well and good if you live in Amsterdam or California (I hate you if you do lol).

Also, I disagree that making MDMA is hard. there's literally step by step instructions on the internet. It's just the cost and time involved is probably not worth it. Unless you get a biological chemistry student to steal all the equipment and make it for you.
So yeah, probably better to meet some open minded bio-chemists. But it really isn't impossible if you're not a dimwit.

Seems like Aus is finally getting some good pure MDMA pills so I might have something more to contribute to this soon.

Well there's a very high demand for Extacy AND it's illegal. Off course alot of people are gunna make a serious buck out of that.
And to increase their profits theý're going to impurify Extacy tablets with Speed, MDA, Ratpoison, Scopolamine..etc

Without the proper information being spread about extacy I foresee alot of overdoses, serious dehydrations and hyperthermia cases. People better improve the drug education so the public is better informed of the risks.

Here in Holland we have drug testing labs where you can admit a variety of commonly used drugs and have them tested for purity and a chemical analysis of the contents. This without the risk of being prosecuted (otherwise people wouldn't dare test there drug there off course)

Those kinds of drug policies, rather than total prohibition, is what I hope to see more and more in the near future.

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Well there's a very high demand for Extacy AND it's illegal. Off course alot of people are gunna make a serious buck out of that.
And to increase their profits theý're going to impurify Extacy tablets with Speed, MDA, Ratpoison, Scopolamine..etc

Without the proper information being spread about extacy I foresee alot of overdoses, serious dehydrations and hyperthermia cases. People better improve the drug education so the public is better informed of the risks.

Here in Holland we have drug testing labs where you can admit a variety of commonly used drugs and have them tested for purity and a chemical analysis of the contents. This without the risk of being prosecuted (otherwise people wouldn't dare test there drug there off course)

Those kinds of drug policies, rather than total prohibition, is what I hope to see more and more in the near future.

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Wow that is so awesome.
I think I remember reading that coz on the pill reports website, Netherlands actually have like 90% pure MDMA, or 70% MDMA 20% Amphetamine or something.
Every other country just has, MDMA and no actual knowledge of the purity.
How much does it cost to test pills like that? I'm guessing it's GC/MS?

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Naked ladies??

All white with a G on one side and a woman on the other? Hoes up, G's down?

They were bomb two years ago. If your a good chemist perhaps you should make it, otherwise I wouldn't suggest it..

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Yes that is exactly it. I think Ex-makers are putting caffeine or something in ex pills now.

They say you can get high off of the safrole if you smoke enough of the sassafras root bark. I'm not sure how much, probably about 2 grams. I've read experience reports on the sassafras root bark.

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Yes that is exactly it. I think Ex-makers are putting caffeine or something in ex pills now.

They say you can get high off of the safrole if you smoke enough of the sassafras root bark. I'm not sure how much, probably about 2 grams. I've read experience reports on the sassafras root bark.

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It's also quite toxic I think.

They say thujone is toxic, the stuff in wormwood and mugwort. But i think stuff like this is only toxic at extremely high doses....as with anything

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They say thujone is toxic, the stuff in wormwood and mugwort. But i think stuff like this is only toxic at extremely high doses....as with anything

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Yeah that's true. I've drunk wormwood and mugwort heaps too.
Ok I just read wiki and it says carcinogenic for rats. But then a study in humans revealed it probably isn't.
Most likely a ploy by the government so they could help stop the horrible (sarcasm!) MDMA being manufactured.

tommo, have you had any effects from wormwood?

I actually have dried wormwood, I ordered online. Was thinking about making absinthe some day.

It's pretty hard to make Absinthe I think. Good luck with that lol
I have noticed effects but nothing really great.
I made some shitty Absinthe once when I was a novice.
I thought Absinthe was just wormwood soaked in alcohol.
I used methylated spirits (lol) and soaked wormwood in it for a few weeks.
Tasted so bad but it did the trick. The only thing I've noticed is that it's the same as being drunk but your head is much clearer.
I've smoked it too, just dried wormwood, and I've noticed a slight clear headedness, but I'm not sure if it's just placebo or not.
Same with wormwood tea.

Apparently it acts on the GABA receptors, so it's like Xanax/Valium but it has an accumulative effect. I'm not sure if this is true though, afaik it's not substantiated by significant evidence.

Wow. Being drunk with a clear head...i wonder what's that like lol

I'd like to try E sometime, but I'm a bit wary given how common problems are with bunk pills/pills cut with some nasty shit. And given that I live about 5 minutes outside of Camden, I imagine I'd have a he'll of a time getting clean pills.

Supernova - Go on pillreports.com and click on your area on the left. Use that as a guide to good pills. IT'S NOT 100% FOOL PROOF! Dealers sometimes press more than one type of the same logo pill so just use it as a guide.

Just took 2 tabs on Friday night. The cleanest roll ever! I fucking love ecstasy so much!

Best and funnest night, ever! :banana:

Lucky bastard....

Haha... but uh, I forgot. What's the safe number of times to do ex again?

Like once a week? Once a month?

Cause I might go on a "road trip" again this weekend, and we are ganna roll the whole way there n back (a night and a partial day) So I'm just wondering if it's "safe" or not?

I probably will anyways, but I'd like to know for future references. Cause after next week, I will proably settle down with the ex.

Probably once a month. It's okay to have a little binge. Like for a whole weekend. But you'll feel like shit afterward most likely. I would not do it for a few months after that.

Of course that is just so it feels good the next time you do it.
Doing it every weekend for years on end doesn't even produce any noticeable harm if you're getting pure MDMA.

I do the same thing with percocets. They are cheap and the high is great.

But if I have like 9 pills, I'd stretch them out so i can continuously get the maximum high from 3 or 4 pills. And cut my supply off, so i when I run out of the 9 that's it.

Of course, I'm recreational with it, I usually only take percocets , or binge on them every month or so. Enough for my tolerance to go back down so i can get a good high off 3 pills. I think it takes like a week or two for percocet to leave your system completely.

There's no comedown from percocets...well at least from my experience.

What's the high like from an "official" ex-pill? Is it anything like percs? I know the ex-pills down here are cut with different shit, caffeine, speed etc. It's hard to trust what's in them these days. That's why if I could, i would make my own pills.

No I don't think they're similar at all. Percocet is ocycodone which releases dopamine. Proper ecstasy is MDMA which releases serotonin. Mostly, that is, I'm sure they both release a certain amount of both.

Opiates are more stoning whereas MDMA is like clearing your mind completely, but still relaxing.
However the only opiate I've done is Codeine and I must say it does have a head clearing feel, I get so creative on it. But from what I've heard MDMA is a different head clearing feeling. Sort of like all your society based conceptions are blown away and you are your true self (That just made me wonder whether it would be good to MILD with MDMA. Of course not just before sleep, but just take it and get it really ingrained in to your subconscious that you can LD very night). Opiates more just make you comfortable with yourself if you know what I mean.

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No I don't think they're similar at all. Percocet is ocycodone which releases dopamine. Proper ecstasy is MDMA which releases serotonin. Mostly, that is, I'm sure they both release a certain amount of both.

Opiates are more stoning whereas MDMA is like clearing your mind completely, but still relaxing.
However the only opiate I've done is Codeine and I must say it does have a head clearing feel, I get so creative on it. But from what I've heard MDMA is a different head clearing feeling. Sort of like all your society based conceptions are blown away and you are your true self (That just made me wonder whether it would be good to MILD with MDMA. Of course not just before sleep, but just take it and get it really ingrained in to your subconscious that you can LD very night). Opiates more just make you comfortable with yourself if you know what I mean.

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Yea, so I'm guessing there is a big difference between Ex cut with speed, and pure MDMA? Because mine was 'cut' with speed, or speed based.

But yea, I only plan on taking Ex MAYBE once a month. Probably not even that, so I'm safe. But if my friends are doing it again this weekend, then I'll bend my rule just once.. :banana:

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No I don't think they're similar at all. Percocet is ocycodone which releases dopamine. Proper ecstasy is MDMA which releases serotonin. Mostly, that is, I'm sure they both release a certain amount of both.

Opiates are more stoning whereas MDMA is like clearing your mind completely, but still relaxing.
However the only opiate I've done is Codeine and I must say it does have a head clearing feel, I get so creative on it. But from what I've heard MDMA is a different head clearing feeling. Sort of like all your society based conceptions are blown away and you are your true self (That just made me wonder whether it would be good to MILD with MDMA. Of course not just before sleep, but just take it and get it really ingrained in to your subconscious that you can LD very night). Opiates more just make you comfortable with yourself if you know what I mean.

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Opiates = Slow movements, little conversation, sick stomach, more like a drunk feeling.
Methyldioxmethamphetamine - Not similar whatsover, music envelopes you, you feel extremely happy, sensations are amplified for instance carpet, hair will feel so smooth, sweaty palms, your mind will buzz around thinking about things you may find yourself saying how everything is the best.. (this is more similar to a Trip than opiates..)

I think there can be conversations with opiates ( talking only percs here ). That is if your social person. They do kinda make you nod out, but i never fall asleep with percocets. The high is too great lol. I don't think opiates make you drunk, being drunk kinda "amps" you up.

I just like the bliss from them. It gives you that feeling where you are completely happy with yourself. It's always good to get this feeling WITHOUT percs, but it's just that much better.

With weed it's something different about it. It puts you in that "zone" where you completely forget about the past and the future, and makes you focus on the "here and now". Everything looks dreamy and "new" and takes you straight to the subconscious. But since weed is a psychedelic it works on emotions. Taking any psychedelic while in a bad mood, is a guaranteed fucked up high. Unless of course you are in control of your own emotions.

Weed causes a 4,000% increase in melatonin which is why it make you lethargic. I think it can be beneficial to lucid dreaming if taking right. Maybe taking a certain amount at the same time every night before you go to sleep.

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I think there can be conversations with opiates ( talking only percs here ). That is if your social person. They do kinda make you nod out, but i never fall asleep with percocets. The high is too great lol. I don't think opiates make you drunk, being drunk kinda "amps" you up.

I just like the bliss from them. It gives you that feeling where you are completely happy with yourself. It's always good to get this feeling WITHOUT percs, but it's just that much better.

With weed it's something different about it. It puts you in that "zone" where you completely forget about the past and the future, and makes you focus on the "here and now". Everything looks dreamy and "new" and takes you straight to the subconscious. But since weed is a psychedelic it works on emotions. Taking any psychedelic while in a bad mood, is a guaranteed fucked up high. Unless of course you are in control of your own emotions.

Weed causes a 4,000% increase in melatonin which is why it make you lethargic. I think it can be beneficial to lucid dreaming if taking right. Maybe taking a certain amount at the same time every night before you go to sleep.

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I agree completely.

I sometimes take percocets, or other opiates, and smoke weed to achieve the same trippy ass high, I got when I first smoked. That was very intense. I actually thought I was in a dream. I could only focus on the present. And I was hallucinating off my ass.. :lol:

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Opiates = Slow movements, little conversation, sick stomach, more like a drunk feeling.
Methyldioxmethamphetamine - Not similar whatsover, music envelopes you, you feel extremely happy, sensations are amplified for instance carpet, hair will feel so smooth, sweaty palms, your mind will buzz around thinking about things you may find yourself saying how everything is the best.. (this is more similar to a Trip than opiates..)

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I don't agree 100% It's hard to explain though, my post probably didn't make a lot of sense.
Opiates aren't like being drunk for me at least. Being drunk I get more amped up as hardwired said. Unless you mean really drunk, but even then I don't agree. On opiates I don't feel tired at all. I could also talk a lot although I usually take them by myself because it's so relaxing. Drunkeness, including the day after, completely fucks my creativity to shit. I can't play piano, draw, nothing. Opiates I can, it makes all that MORE enjoyable and makes me want to do it more afterward (probably that's the dopamine which does that, thinking the reward is from drawing or playing piano). On the other hand I can just relax on my bed with music and totally zone out for a couple of hours and wake up automatically when it starts to wear off.

Touch and music also feels great on opiates, similar to MDMA. I don't know if the actual feeling is the same, but things feel and sound a lot better on opiates.

It probably depends on the person.

But I'd say hard wired that you'd notice some similarities.

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I just like the bliss from them. It gives you that feeling where you are completely happy with yourself. It's always good to get this feeling WITHOUT percs, but it's just that much better.

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Yeah I agree. MDMA does this, but just in a different way. I didn't explain that very well in my last post. Maybe think of it as opiates wrapping you in a nice warm blanket, and MDMA ripping the blanket off and making you feel comfortable without it. Possibly, when I take MDMA, shouldn't be too long now, I'll let you know if I was right lol

So tommo, have you never taken Ex? If not, take 2 haha, for your first. It's awesome :banana: Get ready to dance your ass off!

And listen to REALLY fast moving techno. It's amazing.

Nah I've never taken it but I plan on taking half a pill the first time lol And listening to trance music. I'm not as much interested in dancing as I am expanding my mind. Although I hope to do both and I never dance in public so doing so would mean I've lost a lot of my inhibitions, ready for some mind expanding. But yeah I've researched a lot and decided on half a pill first time, maybe the other half later if I feel like I can handle it.

You know,.. dancing is a superb way of expanding ones mind.

My cousin and two of his friends' drinks were spiked with E.

They ended up in hospital.

Szenario 1:
You consume a drink and there is a substance in there, which you
are not aware of. So you can't possibly know what's going on, can't
properly react to said substance and are a lot more likely to misread
symptoms or go into a full blown panic attack. This case is rather
scary, but there is no real risk to ones health - if you don't take a
walk on the highway or something similar.

Szenario 2:
A problem you could link to their illegality, many street drugs are
laced with other chemicals, which could pose a health risk. This in
my opinion actually is a problem, because those substances are
in most cases a lot worse than the drug itself.

My point is that even though this might appear to be a case of
'hospitalized because of ecstacy', I find it rather unlikely that
there are no other factors, like alcohol consumption that night,
that would have contributed to the outcome.
Another point is that if the pill is clean and the person consuming
it knows what he or she is doing, there really is no real risk.

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Nah I've never taken it but I plan on taking half a pill the first time lol And listening to trance music. I'm not as much interested in dancing as I am expanding my mind. Although I hope to do both and I never dance in public so doing so would mean I've lost a lot of my inhibitions, ready for some mind expanding. But yeah I've researched a lot and decided on half a pill first time, maybe the other half later if I feel like I can handle it.

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No man. Take a whole. I promise you can handle it. You will like it so much better.

Also, you can't say "I won't dance". You can't control your dancing on ex, sorry. You will dance regardless. Unless there is no music, which sucks.

Just put some nice trance music on (you won't dance hardcore, more like a hippie trance dance with your hands), and that is how you will explore your mind, I promise. But doing nothing, will get you nothing. It's almost like music and dancing on ex is the key to opening your mind. That's how it is for me anyways.


- Don't do it in public.
- Have someone else who is rolling as well.
- Drink lots of water, as you probably already know.
- Do it at night.
- And if possible, have a near-by park you can chill at.

I found parks extremely relaxing. Especially getting on a swing, listening to calm music, and thinking.


And also, techno, trance, house, ect is my genre of choice. Or hip hop and rap. Anything with a good beat that flows through your body. But we tried metal, and absolutely hated it. Same with country and rock. Maybe SOME rock we liked, but very few.

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My cousin and two of his friends' drinks were spiked with E.

They ended up in hospital.

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Than it absolutely wasn't E. They wouldn't of gone to the hospital. AND, they would of tasted it. Ecstasy ground up taste like metal. It's horrid, and I guarantee you they would of threw their drinks our if E was in it.

So no, your friends didn't go to the hospital for Ecstasy. Sorry, you were lied to.


Or like Dajo said, they had a panic attack. But I stand by what I said, that they did not consume E. They would of tasted the shit.

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Than it absolutely wasn't E. They wouldn't of gone to the hospital. AND, they would of tasted it. Ecstasy ground up taste like metal. It's horrid, and I guarantee you they would of threw their drinks our if E was in it.

So no, your friends didn't go to the hospital for Ecstasy. Sorry, you were lied to.


Or like Dajo said, they had a panic attack. But I stand by what I said, that they did not consume E. They would of tasted the shit.

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People like these guys don't give a shit about the taste of it, they just drink it fast as possible for the purpose of getting drunk ASAP.

heard that shit is really bad for you.

I took E before, but I didn't like my trip...I had all the symptoms (sweating, dilated pupils) and I was told to take orange juice with it to enhance the effect, so I did...it wasn't all that great, lol.

weed is better.

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heard that shit is really bad for you.

I took E before, but I didn't like my trip...I had all the symptoms (sweating, dilated pupils) and I was told to take orange juice with it to enhance the effect, so I did...it wasn't all that great, lol.

weed is better.

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Then it wasn't E. It was probably peperzine. But yes, weed is better. If I had to choose, I'd choose weed. There are just way to many perks and pros about weed than there are about Ex.

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People like these guys don't give a shit about the taste of it, they just drink it fast as possible for the purpose of getting drunk ASAP.

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LOL! Than that's their fuckin' fault.. :roll:

I'm not saying it's completely their fault.. but still. I don't really have any pitty for the assholes who always ruin the party by throwing up or being a douche-bag drunk to everyone, because they drank to much... on purpose.

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tommo, have you had any effects from wormwood?

I actually have dried wormwood, I ordered online. Was thinking about making absinthe some day.

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Wormwood is not psychoactive. And there is no thujone in absinthe, even good absinthe. The psychoactive quality of absinthe is from the alcohol and all the herbs combined. It is like taking a depressant with a stimulant; it has opposite reactions in your body that alter your consciousness.

If you are all concerned with the purity of synthetic drugs, you all should just stick with good old organics like MUSHROOMS! MUSHROOMS are our friends! They won't hurt us! And lucid dreaming and kundalini yoga! You can feel as good doing kundalini yoga and meditating as with taking ecstacy. But you need discipline :(

In my humble opinion, synthetic drugs aren't worth it. Maybe when you are young and you are experimenting and exploring and curious. Just be careful, don't get hooked on anything physically, mentally, emotionally, or spiritually. It is all inside you, not the drugs. That is why I recommend mushrrooms. Eat as much as you want as often as you want.

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No man. Take a whole. I promise you can handle it. You will like it so much better.

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Maybe lol Depends on the strength. I check pillreports so I will know the general strength of it.

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Also, you can't say "I won't dance".

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Well, I CAN, but I didn't say that anyway lol
I said I don't usually dance in public so dancing on ex for me would probably be a good sort of pedestal for some mind expansion if you know what I mean.

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Just put some nice trance music on (you won't dance hardcore, more like a hippie trance dance with your hands), and that is how you will explore your mind, I promise. But doing nothing, will get you nothing. It's almost like music and dancing on ex is the key to opening your mind. That's how it is for me anyways.

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Yeah that's what I meant.

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- Don't do it in public.

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Why not?
I was planning on going to a trance club.

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- Have someone else who is rolling as well.

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Done. Already planned lol
And yeh I know about the water, chilling for a bit, talking etc.

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Than it absolutely wasn't E. They wouldn't of gone to the hospital. AND, they would of tasted it. Ecstasy ground up taste like metal. It's horrid, and I guarantee you they would of threw their drinks our if E was in it.

So no, your friends didn't go to the hospital for Ecstasy. Sorry, you were lied to.

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First thing I thought.
Or maybe they thought something else was happening and so took themselves to the hospital.

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People like these guys don't give a shit about the taste of it, they just drink it fast as possible for the purpose of getting drunk ASAP.

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Then they probably got too drunk, or what I said above.

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heard that shit is really bad for you.

I took E before, but I didn't like my trip...I had all the symptoms (sweating, dilated pupils) and I was told to take orange juice with it to enhance the effect, so I did...it wasn't all that great, lol.

weed is better.

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Symptoms aren't sweating and dilated pupils lol, that's two of them but the main one would be extreme elevation of happiness. I agree with motumz it was probably piperazine or BZP or any number of other things.

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Wormwood is not psychoactive. And there is no thujone in absinthe, even good absinthe.

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Wrong. When you buy it in the shop, that legal one it even says 10ppm thujone.

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The psychoactive quality of absinthe is from the alcohol and all the herbs combined. It is like taking a depressant with a stimulant; it has opposite reactions in your body that alter your consciousness.

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Maybe. But wormwood still plays a part. The other herbs are like Aniseed and Fennel and some others which I don't think have any psychoactive effects at all, unless the taste elicits some neuro-activity.

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If you are all concerned with the purity of synthetic drugs, you all should just stick with good old organics like MUSHROOMS! MUSHROOMS are our friends! They won't hurt us!

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Yeah, unless you pick the wrong ones, then you're fucked.

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In my humble opinion, synthetic drugs aren't worth it. Maybe when you are young and you are experimenting and exploring and curious. Just be careful, don't get hooked on anything physically, mentally, emotionally, or spiritually. It is all inside you, not the drugs. That is why I recommend mushrrooms.

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LSD is synthetic, are you against that? Synthetic drugs have just as much merit as non-synthetic ones. It's stupid to draw an arbitrary line and say these are good and these are bad. And you can easily get addicted mentally, emotionally and spiritually to mushrooms too.

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Eat as much as you want as often as you want.

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That's it. You're a moron. Do you know what could happen if someone took your 'advice'?
It could send them insane if they aren't prepared for it.
Think before you speak. Mushrooms are a powerful psychedelic and a powerful tool, not something to eat "as much as you want as often as you want".

Please gtfo or smarten up.

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I think there can be conversations with opiates ( talking only percs here ). That is if your social person. They do kinda make you nod out, but i never fall asleep with percocets. The high is too great lol. I don't think opiates make you drunk, being drunk kinda "amps" you up.

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Low mg percocets, stronger opiates put you out. It's similiar to a drunk feeling, when you've drank too much.

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I just like the bliss from them. It gives you that feeling where you are completely happy with yourself. It's always good to get this feeling WITHOUT percs, but it's just that much better.

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I know plenty of pill heads, addicts, you are better off not taking them. First it's percs, than it's oxy, than it's addict.

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With weed it's something different about it. It puts you in that "zone" where you completely forget about the past and the future, and makes you focus on the "here and now". Everything looks dreamy and "new" and takes you straight to the subconscious. But since weed is a psychedelic it works on emotions. Taking any psychedelic while in a bad mood, is a guaranteed fucked up high. Unless of course you are in control of your own emotions.

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Yeah, I smoke when I'm pissed.. I wouldn't shroom or take acid if I was in a bad mood.. Weed always uplifts my spirits.


Honestly I don't understand how anyone could compare opiates and ecstasy.. When they are so different, their is little to no similarity other than the fact that their both drugs.. Between andupper and what you could consider a downer.. If you take a bunch of opiates(percs, etc..) Your movements slow, and many people will fall asleep, not so much at a low dose.. If you take ecstasy, you are not falling asleep till the pill has had its effect.


You guys must be taking real low doses of percs to even get anything but a sick stomach, or you do so many pills that it makes you feel comfortable because your body is begging for more..

When you start popping OCs you might as well just get some heroin. Opiate class drugs are by far the worst addiction, the worst to come off, and expensive to boot..

My advice lay off the opiates, their are much safer and less addictive drugs you can do.


Dannon..

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Wormwood, Since antiquity Artemisia absinthium is well known for its psychotropic effects. The name of this species is derived from the ancient Greek goddess, Artemis. The relation between the Greek goddess and the psycho-active plant is unfortunately not known.
In the late nineteenth century Absinthe, an alcoholic beverage made from wormwood, was valued by European artists for its fantasy enhancing properties. Many works of Vincent van Gogh, Edouard Manet, Paul Gauguin, Charles Baudelair and H.P. Lovecraft were inspired by Absinthe.

Effects
Fantasy enhancing-, anaesthetic- and aphrodisiastic effects, euphoria, hallucinations and a pleasant stimulation. In some aspects, the effects appear to be similar to the Cannabis intoxication.

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Where did you get your misinformation?

http://www.erowid.org/cgi-bin/search...=11&Search.y=5

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I know plenty of pill heads, addicts, you are better off not taking them. First it's percs, than it's oxy, than it's addict.

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Do you know how long I have been taking percocets recreationally lol. Like 2 or 3 years now, and no I don't have the slightest need for them right now.

My guess is that you just KNOW pillheads, and you never actually have done percs. Yes they are addicting if you chase the first high without letting your tolerance go back down.

And by the way oxy ARE percocets. Oxycodone is the drug in percocets.

Even if you do get addicted to percocets, the withdrawal symptoms I've read only last like 2 or 3 days, depending on your dosage. The higher the dose, the worse the withdrawal symptoms. That is why i said I only take 3 or 3 1/2 to get high. If i can't get high off of 3 or 4 then I stop to let me tolerance go back down.

It's simple, all you need is discipline. You don't think doctors and lawyers do hard drugs? You just have to be smart about it and do your research. I know you've seen "Nurse Jackie" with her pill snorting ass. You can't chase that feeling though because that's where the addiction comes in.

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You guys must be taking real low doses of percs to even get anything but a sick stomach, or you do so many pills that it makes you feel comfortable because your body is begging for more..

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And while we're on the subject. Does anyone know the best drug to enhance creativity? I read that Edgar Allen Poe used to drink wormwood to broaden his imagination or something. I'm actually thinking about making absinthe, just have to get a bottle of vodka and figure out how to make it.

Can't you just buy absinthe? Every supermarket carries it here...

I think it's illegal in america? so no.

weed helps creativity it's just the lethargy makes me not even want to do my art.

Where do you find Psilocybin mushrooms? And what are their legal status in virginia.

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I think it's illegal in america? so no.

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Hm, it's not as wormwood intense as it was a 100 years ago, but it's
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On March 5, 2007, the French Lucid brand became the first genuine absinthe to receive a COLA (Certificate of Label Approval) for legal importation into the United States since 1912,[39][40] following independent efforts by representatives from Lucid and Kübler to topple the long-standing U.S. ban.[41] In December 2007, St. George Absinthe Verte, produced by St. George Spirits of Alameda, California, became the first brand of American-made absinthe to be legally produced in the United States since the enactment of the ban.[42][43] Since that time, other micro-distilleries have started making small batches of high-quality absinthe in the U.S.

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Originally Posted by tommo

Why not?
I was planning on going to a trance club.

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Yeah, unless you pick the wrong ones, then you're fucked.

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Exactly! :panic:



But yea tommo, I think you have it all down and are ready to roll. But if you are already at a trance club, go wild and dance haha. Either way I'm sure you will have a great time :D

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Where do you find Psilocybin mushrooms? And what are their legal status in virginia.

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Dealers. Look pictures up online. Look for blue 'blood' running thru the shrooms. That's a good sign. I highly dis-advise you to pick them yourself.

And as far as legality goes for shrooms, I haven't heard of anyone getting arrested for them. I doubt cops would care, unless you get a major prick cop searching you. There is almost no chance of getting caught with shrooms. Unless you're tripping in public, with shrooms in your pocket..

Don't take momutz advice, if you are caught they will arrest you. It's that simple, their status makes them illegal, and their are certainly no decriminalization of Psyclobin Mushrooms in any state. I doubt you would be given any leeway, you can enjoy your probation, or whatever they give you.

Moral, don't get caught.

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Do you know how long I have been taking percocets recreationally lol. Like 2 or 3 years now, and no I don't have the slightest need for them right now.

My guess is that you just KNOW pillheads, and you never actually have done percs. Yes they are addicting if you chase the first high without letting your tolerance go back down.

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You'll be a pillhead as well, it's that simple. Everyone that does them recreationally ends up starting with low doses of percocets and graduating to OC 80's by the end.

Percocets and Oxycontin are not the same, Oxycontin/Oxycodone is just one drug, while percocets have Oxycodone and Acetaminophen. The fact that you do percs as a recreation for 2 to 3 years is ruining the effect that these drugs could have if you were in actual pain. Why would you waste your time with a drug that does anything but expand your mind, opiates are great for medicine but Marijuana and so many other drugs you can have far more meaningful experiences on.

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And by the way oxy ARE percocets. Oxycodone is the drug in percocets.

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Even if you do get addicted to percocets, the withdrawal symptoms I've read only last like 2 or 3 days, depending on your dosage. The higher the dose, the worse the withdrawal symptoms. That is why i said I only take 3 or 3 1/2 to get high. If i can't get high off of 3 or 4 then I stop to let me tolerance go back down.

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That's because percs are low doses of the drug that is in oxycodone/oxycontin. You are risking your liver every time you take too much acetaminophen, do you know how many mgs your taking and are you going over? You should be searching for low doses of OC and cutting them into pieces. Taking 3 or 4, depending on the mg doses on these... you could be creating a dangerous situation. More so for the Acetaminophen than the Oxycodone in the lower dose pills.. They usually have a TON of acetaminophen..

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It's simple, all you need is discipline. You don't think doctors and lawyers do hard drugs?

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That's not my point, my point is their are safer and more fun drugs, than something that is chemically similar to heroin... Opium... Which has been the downfall of many civilizations and I've seen it slowly affect the majority of the people I graduated with.. You think you have self-control, but the drug can easily control you.

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You just have to be smart about it and do your research.

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Some peoples minds are naturally addicted... Anyway.. no amount of research can change that.

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I know you've seen "Nurse Jackie" with her pill snorting ass. You can't chase that feeling though because that's where the addiction comes in.

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3 or 4 pills is not a sick stomach, are you serious? oxycodone is PAINKILLER, so it's going to give you the opposite of a sick stomach lol

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Actually... you obviously take ridiciliously small doses, to not understand what a sick stomach off of too much painkiller is.. Look at heroin users, look at real OC users..









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I think it's illegal in america? so no.

weed helps creativity it's just the lethargy makes me not even want to do my art.

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Wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/ar...ng&oref=slogin

LOL.

You have no idea what opiates are like. Just because "your friends" fucked up their life doing too much, or overdosing or some shit does NOT mean everyone ends up like that. That's typical drug propaganda.

How in the hell are you going to tell me that I'M going to get addicted. lol

I've done my research and for 2/3 years I'm still fine. Don't judge me. I do my research and I know what I'm doing ffs. If I didn't i would be exactly like "your friends" now, probably snorting heroin or OC or some shit. But enough of this. Because this is really starting to piss me off, it's that typical drugs are bad mmkaayy. Opiate ABUSE is bad. Like I said if i DID NOT know what I was doing after 2/3 years, I'd be just like your junkie-ass friends lol


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You keep saying there are better drugs out there, but you've yet to recommend something. And please don't mention salvia divinorum, I'm not going anywhere near that shit after the stories I've read on it.

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LOL.

You have no idea what opiates are like. Just because "your friends" fucked up their life doing too much, or overdosing or some shit does NOT mean everyone ends up like that. That's typical drug propaganda.

How in the hell are you going to tell me that I'M going to get addicted. lol

I've done my research and for 2/3 years I'm still fine. Don't judge me. I do my research and I know what I'm doing ffs. If I didn't i would be exactly like "your friends" now, probably snorting heroin or OC or some shit. But enough of this. Because this is really starting to piss me off, it's that typical drugs are bad mmkaayy. Opiate ABUSE is bad. Like I said if i DID NOT know what I was doing after 2/3 years, I'd be just like your junkie-ass friends lol


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You keep saying there are better drugs out there, but you've yet to recommend something. And please don't mention salvia divinorum, I'm not going anywhere near that shit after the stories I've read on it.

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Your a child. Drugs are not bad, opiates are bad. I've done some before, not for me. Taking 3 or 4 is excessive, go grab a 50 bag of some coke, some lsd. some shrooms, something that makes you think(though coke is more of jabber talk than hard thinking) and isn't in a class of drugs that make you isolated from everyone. How old are you honestly? No amount of research will prevent what that drug always does, it's like nicotine, you will be addicted. Maybe not to the level of being sick and puking when you don't have them, but perhaps desire them.. You've given little detail about your use, how often.

Ain't my friends, my friends smoke pot as well as myself.

Anyone here that knows me, knows I'm anything but someone to buy into government drug propaganda.

If you've done your research why are you endangering your liver with acetaminophen, that is not propaganda. At least be smart and get real oc, low doses could be cheap.

P.S. I've probably done more drugs than you can name..

No MY dick is bigger!

Seriously guys.

DeathCell - Oxy/Acet combo usually contains 325, 500 or 650mg of acetaminophen. Taking 3 or 4 is not a "ridiculously large amount of acetaminophen". It takes about 4-5 grams to even possibly box your liver. Although if I were you HardWired I'd do a CWE anyway so you get pure OC.
It's a better high.

DeathCell, recommending for him to take coke is just as stupid as him continuing to take Oxy.

And no, not everyone gets addicted. That's tripe. (That's the first time I've used that word lol).
Even nicotine, the most addictive drug we know of, some people just smoke every now and again, and are not addicted.

I think it's clear you don't buy into gov propaganda but you still might, without knowing it. I thought I didn't either for a while. For instance I was like yeah every drug should be legal except ice coz it's just fucked up. Coz I'd researched every drug and realised they're not as bad or addictive as I've been made out to believe. But with all the media hype over ice I forgot to do any proper research. Turns out, it's not really that bad either. Especially if you have ADHD it's actually good! And people are fucking prescribed it by doctors!!!! lol

So my point is, maybe you think you don't buy in to it, but brainwashing is a powerful thing. Opiates aren't as addictive as you might think.
There ARE CASUAL Heroin users. It's not one hit and you're addicted.
Most people do have addictive personalities though and since the feeling is so good they want it again and again, and that's where the actual addiction starts to set in, over time, maybe a few weeks.

OC is weaker and less addictive, much less. So if he can stop for months at a time, and just have them once in a while for a week or whatever, he's not addicted and has proven he can control himself. Respect for that imo.

But Deathcell I do agree about your advice on motumz advice. Cops will fuck you over for shrooms. Don't go to popular places hardwired, find your own place, just go walking in the woods. And Motumz advice about blue veins is completely and utterly wrong. There are shrooms that turn blue when you squeeze or cut them but there are also poisonous mushrooms which do that same. Go on http://www.shroomery.org I think it is, when you pick them, take heaps of pictures, top, below, side, close-up etc. and people there will identify them for you.

Opiates are as addictive as you think, I've seen many people fall out of everyones lives and into the habit of getting pills and that's it. Anyone that smokes a cigarette once in awhile is full of shit. Their trying to quit, Nicotine and Opiates are the most addictive drugs around, some people can probably use them sparingly.. but they still hold a grip on your body at least physically. Casual heroin users is an oxymoron, I've never heard or seen anyone that occasionally sticks a needle in their arm. Drugs are not bad, but some are worse than others.. and some have the addiction potentials a lot higher, and their relative safety factor is lower.. Stick with something else, I'd hate to see any more people fall into this pitfall.



My advice to give coke is simply, it's a better party drug. It makes conversation flow, I wouldn't suggest it for an eye-opening experience. And if done sparingly and not in crack or freebase form.. generally not that addictive to your body.. unless you are an everyday user.

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Opiates are as addictive as you think, I've seen many people fall out of everyones lives and into the habit of getting pills and that's it. Anyone that smokes a cigarette once in awhile is full of shit. Their trying to quit, Nicotine and Opiates are the most addictive drugs around, some people can probably use them sparingly.. but they still hold a grip on your body at least physically. Casual heroin users is an oxymoron, I've never heard or seen anyone that occasionally sticks a needle in their arm. Drugs are not bad, but some are worse than others.. and some have the addiction potentials a lot higher, and their relative safety factor is lower.. Stick with something else, I'd hate to see any more people fall into this pitfall.



My advice to give coke is simply, it's a better party drug. It makes conversation flow, I wouldn't suggest it for an eye-opening experience. And if done sparingly and not in crack or freebase form.. generally not that addictive to your body.. unless you are an everyday user.

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If you don't snort or smoke the coke, than how are you supposed to get the cocaine into your body?

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Nicotine and Opiates are the most addictive drugs around, some people can probably use them sparingly.. but they still hold a grip on your body at least physically.

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no they don't...now i DEFINITELY know you you don't know wtf your talking about lol

And your seriously suggesting snorting cocaine lol. You gon end up with that nose drip.

If I'm going to do any upper, it'll probably be extasy or adderall. The highs last much longer. I sniffed dope before, and I generally don't like sniffing shit up my nose. I need to breathe through it. Plus cocaine is way too damn expensive.

Anybody have any experience with the new legal high, mepehdrone? Its absolutely boomed over here in the UK, just wondering if its hit the US as hard.

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If you don't snort or smoke the coke, than how are you supposed to get the cocaine into your body?

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WTF? Freebase is a more pure way of smoking cocaine..

Snorting would be the only way I'd suggest.

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no they don't...now i DEFINITELY know you you don't know wtf your talking about lol

And your seriously suggesting snorting cocaine lol. You gon end up with that nose drip.

If I'm going to do any upper, it'll probably be extasy or adderall. The highs last much longer. I sniffed dope before, and I generally don't like sniffing shit up my nose. I need to breathe through it. Plus cocaine is way too damn expensive

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Tolerance on opiates are much higher than tolerance from the majority of drugs, this leaves users needing more to get the same feeling. Generally speaking this isn't an issue that many other drugs have, you can barely notice any tolerance. Cocaine as well has a tolerance problem, but the withdrawal symptoms are not nearly as serious. Ranking withdrawal opiates like heroin high doses of OC are on top with most scientists agreeing that only Alcohol beats it in withdrawal symptoms.

The ones that ranked highest in dependence was Nicotine than heroin.

Though its an ever going debate.

If you look at any list of the most addictive substances.
1. Nicotine
2. Heroin

So it's exactly as I've said.

http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/.../basicfax5.htm

Don't really want to make a thread for it so I'll just reiterate the question.
Anybody have any experience with mephedrone?

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Don't really want to make a thread for it so I'll just reiterate the question.
Anybody have any experience with mephedrone?

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Heard of it either on the internet or by some of my friends.

Price? How you get it in your system? What it does? Please tell us! :D

Its really cheap, if you order it off the net its as cheap as 7 quid a gram.
The best way to take it is to snort it. The first few times you do it its amazing, sort of like MDMA without that magical feeling, You get all the empathy and the openess with people, lots of hugging, chatting, gurning, also get some effects more associated with cocaine, nice amount of euphoria, lots of energy. Negative side effects are, if there's a pretty heavy emotional comedown, anxiety over the next day or two.

The reason I'm asking about it is we've been messing around with it for the last few months, mainly on the weekends because its a rally cheap night, plus MDMA is really hard to come by and this is the next best thing; and a mate of mine has over the last few sessions developed extreme paranoia when we come off it. Starts accusing people of conspiring against him. Every little sentence he analyses and somehow draws meaning to him, not sure if this is a common reaction or something that needs medical advice. Tbh when he's in this mental frame he seems a completely different person to the one we know.
Anybody have any idea about this? Or generally any experiences with mephedrone?

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Its really cheap, if you order it off the net its as cheap as 7 quid a gram.
The best way to take it is to snort it. The first few times you do it its amazing, sort of like MDMA without that magical feeling, You get all the empathy and the openess with people, lots of hugging, chatting, gurning, also get some effects more associated with cocaine, nice amount of euphoria, lots of energy. Negative side effects are, if you binge it there's a pretty heavy emotional comedown, lots of dehydration, destroys appetite, anxiety over the next day or two.

The reason I'm asking about it is we've been messing around with it for the last few months, mainly on the weekends because its a rally cheap night, plus MDMA is really hard to come by and this is the next best thing; and a mate of mine has over the last few sessions developed extreme paranoia when we come off it. Starts accusing people of conspiring against him. Every little sentence he analyses and somehow draws meaning to him, not sure if this is a common reaction or something that needs medical advice. Tbh when he's in this mental frame he seems a completely different person to the one we know.
Anybody have any idea about this? Or generally any experiences with mephedrone?

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LOLIMLYING!

This thread is about Ecstasy. And yes, I will call you an idiot one more time.

You completely hijacked this thread and turned it into a cocaine snorting thread. I know the difference, do I care? No. I don't do cocaine, don't want to. It doesn't sound fun other than it being highly illegal. I'd rather do ECSTASY.. ya know, what the topic is about? Or, if I want to be sped up, I'll take speed (Adderall)

Jackass.

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No one hijacked anything, you are running into your defense mode and insulting me because you realized that you replied to my post and than lied and said you weren't. Grow up please. Discussion of drugs can vary from ecstasy, someone else was talking about opiates.. Maybe you should re-read the thread, or control your issue.

The best part is after this post you go into discussion about a completely unrelated drug, yet you didn't accuse him of hijacking and you even replied..

Odd how much of a hypocrite you are.

And all drugs effect your body.. and is thus related.. You can't have your cake and eat it to.

If anyone is derailing the thread it is the children posting who act as if they know what they are talking about when they don't.

No attacks.

All drugs can have similarity and differences. So it's either you talk about just MDMA or you allow the conversation to go.. As I was replying to someone elses mention of opiates anyway..

But really you are a waste of my time, so enjoy yourself. In fact block me, as you said. I'm a troll? A troll with more posts and having been a member longer than you. Sure.

Maybe you should try accepting responsibility for your actions.

Go run up to a cop and hand them your mushrooms. Maybe they'll let you go.


http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retri...24977X09000066
"MDMA reinstates cocaine-seeking behaviour in mice"

http://www.mdma.net/discriminative-s...a-cocaine.html

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Evidence suggests that (+/-)3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) and psychostimulants produce similar but non-identical stimulus effects in animals. To examine this hypothesis, groups of rats were trained to discriminate either MDMA (1.5mg/kg) or cocaine (8mg/kg) from saline vehicle using a two-lever operant procedure under a variable interval (VI) 15s schedule of reinforcement. Once the animals were trained, tests of stimulus generalization were conducted with (+/-)MDMA, cocaine, S(+)MDMA, and R(-)MDMA. As previously demonstrated, both S(+)MDMA and R(-)MDMA ( [Formula: see text] and 1.2mg/kg, respectively) substituted for (+/-)MDMA. Stimulus generalization also occurred upon administration of cocaine ( [Formula: see text] mg/kg) to the (+/-)MDMA-trained animals. In the cocaine-trained animals, however, stimulus generalization did not occur to (+/-)MDMA, S(+)MDMA nor R(-)MDMA. Receptor binding profiles for MDMA and cocaine were compared in an effort to identify any novel and common receptor-based mechanism(s) to explain stimulus generalization of MDMA-trained animals to the effects of cocaine, but only their actions on neurotransmitter transporters seem applicable. Taken together, the results indicate that stimulus substitution between MDMA and cocaine is asymmetric and suggest that although similarities exist between the stimulus actions of MDMA and cocaine, differences might be explained by their differential effects on increasing synaptic concentrations of serotonin (5-HT), dopamine (DA), and/or norepinephrine (NE).

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Don't really want to make a thread for it so I'll just reiterate the question.
Anybody have any experience with mephedrone?

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I was basically gonna say just what you said happens to your friend.
Apparently it's like cocaine and ecstasy together, without the infamous magic. I haven't taken it, it's illegal in Australia and the dealers just sell it as ecstasy. Wankers.

Anyway yeah, apparently snorting isn't a great idea. Mainly because the effects go away so quickly. And thus it has that nitrous kind of addiction. It's not addiction but you just want to take it again and again over the night because it wears off quickly and you want that feeling again. Some people suggest only getting a small amount otherwise the temptation is way too great to just keep going.

It's also well documented, anecdotally, that the more you have it over a short period of time, the less the good effects show and the more the bad effects show. Paranoia, anxiety. 'Spose it's like speed in that aspect.

Oh yeah and even though I said snorting isn't a good route, eating it also is not because it isn't tolerated well if I remember correctly. The bad effects are more prominent, allergies etc. Don't take my word on that though, I'm going from memory on that one.

IMO slow down your use and tell your mates to as well. I know it sucks that pure MDMA is so rare nowadays, but believe me, it's making a comeback. Just check pillreports.com.

Stay safe and keep mephedrone use to a minimum! It would be safer to smoke some bud or a couple beers if you really need something. Or ADHD meds some people like too for partying.

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I was basically gonna say just what you said happens to your friend.
Apparently it's like cocaine and ecstasy together, without the infamous magic. I haven't taken it, it's illegal in Australia and the dealers just sell it as ecstasy. Wankers.

Anyway yeah, apparently snorting isn't a great idea. Mainly because the effects go away so quickly. And thus it has that nitrous kind of addiction. It's not addiction but you just want to take it again and again over the night because it wears off quickly and you want that feeling again. Some people suggest only getting a small amount otherwise the temptation is way too great to just keep going.

It's also well documented, anecdotally, that the more you have it over a short period of time, the less the good effects show and the more the bad effects show. Paranoia, anxiety. 'Spose it's like speed in that aspect.

Oh yeah and even though I said snorting isn't a good route, eating it also is not because it isn't tolerated well if I remember correctly. The bad effects are more prominent, allergies etc. Don't take my word on that though, I'm going from memory on that one.

IMO slow down your use and tell your mates to as well. I know it sucks that pure MDMA is so rare nowadays, but believe me, it's making a comeback. Just check pillreports.com.

Stay safe and keep mephedrone use to a minimum! It would be safer to smoke some bud or a couple beers if you really need something. Or ADHD meds some people like too for partying.

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Yea, I'm seeing more and more reports of mephedrone being some bad stuff. On here, friends, and 420chan.

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Originally Posted by tommo

I was basically gonna say just what you said happens to your friend.
Apparently it's like cocaine and ecstasy together, without the infamous magic. I haven't taken it, it's illegal in Australia and the dealers just sell it as ecstasy. Wankers.

Anyway yeah, apparently snorting isn't a great idea. Mainly because the effects go away so quickly. And thus it has that nitrous kind of addiction. It's not addiction but you just want to take it again and again over the night because it wears off quickly and you want that feeling again. Some people suggest only getting a small amount otherwise the temptation is way too great to just keep going.

It's also well documented, anecdotally, that the more you have it over a short period of time, the less the good effects show and the more the bad effects show. Paranoia, anxiety. 'Spose it's like speed in that aspect.

Oh yeah and even though I said snorting isn't a good route, eating it also is not because it isn't tolerated well if I remember correctly. The bad effects are more prominent, allergies etc. Don't take my word on that though, I'm going from memory on that one.

IMO slow down your use and tell your mates to as well. I know it sucks that pure MDMA is so rare nowadays, but believe me, it's making a comeback. Just check pillreports.com.

Stay safe and keep mephedrone use to a minimum! It would be safer to smoke some bud or a couple beers if you really need something. Or ADHD meds some people like too for partying.

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Cheers for the advice mate. Just a word about the last paragraph, its not really that I need something, its just a new drug so we thought we'd so how it was. I'm not suing it any more due to my friends reaction and reports of it causing auto immune reactions in some people; added to this, over the last few months I've developed mild psoriasis, a skin disease, apparently its an auto immune disease, so I'm drawing a link here.

the only reason I was drawn to it the first place was the appreciation of music and all the empathy. Damn I wish I could get some MDMA somewhere.