Thread: Ecstasy on the Rise...What's your take? :D

Originally Posted by tommo

Even though acatelophobic misunderstood your question "It also provides a useful scapegoat for the government; one in which they can assume moral authority over, and also find a multi-demographic enemy with which people can relate to."
That sums it up.
It was started for monetary reasons. Hemp = awesome paper, clothing, rope etc. crop. Forests = quick, destructive, but very profitable paper. I'm sure you know the story by now. But to sum up quickly, William Randolph Herst was a "yellow journalist" (meaning he printed outright lies, just off the top of his head, to sell papers and his own opinion). He owned a newspaper company and they used tree paper, Hemp was taking off because some Hemp farmers invented the decorticator, which made Hemp farming profitable. Hearst didn't like this so he printed bullshit stories about "blacks smoking this drug Marihuana and raping white women", "people going crazy after one hit" etc. You know all the Reefer Madness stories.
The Gov banned it without realising they were also banning Hemp.

So that's the REAL reason. Money. It was covered up as racism because of the fears of that time (1930's).

Hrmm, that's not entirely accurate. Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon, who founded the Bureau of Narcotics under the auspices of the Treasury (wtf?!), had every incentive to see hemp outlawed as well, because of his majority interest in Dupont, which had several pending patents for processes related to woodpulp paper and nylon fibers, for which hemp products were poised to become a strong competitor. It was that Bureau, headed by Mellon's nephew-in-law, that commissioned "Reefer Madness" and other propaganda films, and pushed cannabis prohibition through congress, using Hearst's articles and his term "marihuana" to keep legislators in the dark as to what they were actually prohibiting.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

Hrmm, that's not entirely accurate. Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon, who founded the....

Close enough. I was trying to give a short version. I can never remember all the details though so thanks for that.

Cygnus - I assume we're talking MDMA, and ecstasy meaning/assuming a person has pure MDMA. Even though most people have never even tried pure MDMA. Even the people who have taken 1000's of pills. Especially the people just starting out in the last few years though. Pills are shit everywhere except for certain states in America (Cali etc.) and certain places in Europe.
Australia is basically MDMA free tbh (for average person, I'm sure rich people can get it). We haven't had a good pill in a year or more.

I have done esctasy twice now. It is amazing, but I am done for now. I will most likely do it again in the Summer. But for now I am sticking to finding some Molly (pure MDMA)

In my opinion, virtually harmless drugs like MDMA are illegal so that the Government has a scapegoat upon which they can point the finger of blame for all of our "problems." If that makes sense. It's not even that, really, it's almost like, we need another thing to declare "war" on, so that we can overcome whatever invisible "enemy" there is next.

Perhaps it's that they do know the potential that drugs hold for expanding one's mind. Maybe they're trying to suppress that. I would not be surprised. A dumb, afraid population such as USA's, is an easily controlled population.

I have taken ecstacy once. Though I never intend to do it again, it was one of the most eye-opening and amazing experiences of my life, coupled with one of the most depressing and hurtful, due to a 5 minute bad trip session, and then a 3 day crash of severe depression. Drugs aren't for everyone. That said, I don't regret it.

It's nice to see an even, unbiased news report. I can't believe that it was factual. What's this? Factual reporting? Maybe there is some hope for the fate of society. Afterall, news and media controls pretty much everything we do.

Originally Posted by Rainman

In my opinion, virtually harmless drugs like MDMA are illegal so that the Government has a scapegoat upon which they can point the finger of blame for all of our "problems." If that makes sense. It's not even that, really, it's almost like, we need another thing to declare "war" on, so that we can overcome whatever invisible "enemy" there is next.

Perhaps it's that they do know the potential that drugs hold for expanding one's mind. Maybe they're trying to suppress that. I would not be surprised. A dumb, afraid population such as USA's, is an easily controlled population.

I have taken ecstacy once. Though I never intend to do it again, it was one of the most eye-opening and amazing experiences of my life, coupled with one of the most depressing and hurtful, due to a 5 minute bad trip session, and then a 3 day crash of severe depression. Drugs aren't for everyone. That said, I don't regret it.

It's nice to see an even, unbiased news report. I can't believe that it was factual. What's this? Factual reporting? Maybe there is some hope for the fate of society. Afterall, news and media controls pretty much everything we do.

Couldn't of said it better! And that sucks about your bad come down, just smoke on the way down, it makes it perfect!

Originally Posted by Rainman

I have taken ecstacy once. Though I never intend to do it again, it was one of the most eye-opening and amazing experiences of my life, coupled with one of the most depressing and hurtful, due to a 5 minute bad trip session, and then a 3 day crash of severe depression. Drugs aren't for everyone. That said, I don't regret it.

5 minute bad trip? Was that due the the ecstasy or did you take something else afterward?
Afaik it's impossible to have a bad trip on pure MDMA.
I'm not doubting you, just curious.

There's no real rational argument for the continued criminalisation of various drugs. Anyone sensible can see it's purely arbitrary in many cases. There's very little evidence supporting the idea of gateway drugs, and there is plenty of evidence that many are less harmful than alcohol and tobacco, and that's not even considering the impurity of street products with no regulation.

The only reason alcohol is not banned is likely because societies have been consuming it en mass for a very long time now, and any government who tried would have no success whatsoever; see what happened in the US during the prohibition era where it encouraged more crime and had many negative effects. Though of course, idiotic politicians and the ignorant masses fail to learn from this.

As for why so many governments are against drugs, ironically causing the illegal drug trade to flourish in the process, with all the evils it creates... who knows? Perhaps they believe their own propaganda on drugs, or perhaps they want to try to force their beliefs on overs? Perhaps they believe that legalisation is a slippery slope that will lead to everyone being a crack addict? The fact that the latter has little basis in reality doesn't seem to stop most governments.

I didn't take anything afterwards, and no, it's not impossible to have a bad trip on anything that alters your brain chemistry. I suppose it depends on what your idea of a bad trip is.

I wasn't using pure MDMA anyway, it was that plus who knows what else in this particular dose. It only lasted maybe 5 or ten minutes, but I was freaking out, I thought everyone hated me, and I had this incredibly strong feeling that everything was meaningless, and that I had no home, and just a whole bunch of horrible things.

But then I snapped out of it and was chattering away and smiling, and loving everyone again. Heh.

If you take ecstasy and have a "bad trip" per se, I would in the future avoid all hallucigens. Really, you are obviously not made for this kind of experience.(A general statement) I've only met one person who I saw have a bad time and they were kind of simpleminded... not to be overtly rude..

Rainman sounds like you got a dose of something else, 5 - 10 minutes is not MDMA.

Because I'm not sure how anyone could actually have a bad trip.. even the worst time on E.. isn't that bad.. You'll probably more likely to be mad that what you got wasn't real MDMA or was short acting in bursts..