Thread: 9/11 Truth

Originally Posted by innerspacecadet

After watching "Zeitgeist," I'm inclined to believe the conspiracy theorists. Or at the very least, if the government didn't do it, they sure as hell let it happen on purpose despite knowing about it, so that they could advance war in the Middle East. Just like FDR with Pearl Harbor.

Zeitgeist is pretty good, but contains too much erroneous speculation. A better one, made by one of the largest groups of 9/11 families is Improbable Collapse: The Demolition of Our Republic

Originally Posted by memeticverb

Zeitgeist is pretty good, but contains too much erroneous speculation. A better one, made by one of the largest groups of 9/11 families is Improbable Collapse: The Demolition of Our Republic

Another good one that was actually made by conservatives is : 9/11 Mysteries

we are kicking ass in the poll. So why does the media try and ignore it all. They are losing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2bGfoio9M <---- that's why criminals get away with things.

Starting the debate anew is too tempting! Here are a couple of videos that can help make a point: Do we know as much as we think we know?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QftXf2I6pE0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2uOn3u4kXr0

If you watch carefully, you'll see a clear puff of concrete dust ejected when the sword hits it. If the dust was examined under a microscope, you'd find that the dust is made of very fine grains. Where did the energy to pulverize this small amount of concrete come from?

When the sword breaks the concrete, more dust is ejected, but in the opposite direction. Why is this?

Even non-reinforced concrete can withstand hundreds of pounds of force without breaking. Why did the concrete break so easily?

In the concrete stress test, the only force was vertical, and yet concrete was clearly ejected from the sample sideways. How did this happen, and why didn't the concrete simply break into pieces(as in the sword video) instead of being partially pulverized?

Originally Posted by Mystic7

we are kicking ass in the poll. So why does the media try and ignore it all. They are losing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2bGfoio9M <---- that's why criminals get away with things.

The thing about these videos is they receive wrong answers AND lots of right answers. I'm sure they probably received 70% right answers and 30% wrong answers (but I can't verify that) but they will only show you the wrong answers to verify their case.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm sure if I walked up to a new yorker and asked them about 9/11 that I won't get a ridiculous answer. Could be wrong though.

Occasion 1:
President Bush Holds Town Hall Meeting
[CNN, Aired December 4, 2001]

QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?

BUSH: Well... (APPLAUSE)

Thank you, Jordan (ph).

Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."

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Occasion 2:
President Holds Town Hall Forum on Economy in California
[whitehouse.gov, January 5, 2002]

"I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on..." [whitehouse.gov]

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There is a problem with the above statements. There was no live video coverage of the first plane hitting the tower. There couldn't be. Video of the first plane hitting the tower did not surface until AFTER the second plane had hit World Trade Center 2.

This Washington Times Article states that he didn't see the impact at the school...

If Bush really did see an airplane on TV hitting the World Trade Center then he saw that the aircraft was under control at the time, and he saw it before arriving at Booker Elementary because he was en route to the school when the first plane struck WTC 1 - a closed-circuit live feed to his limo is the only way he could have seen this impact on TV. It must also be remembered that even after Andrew Card informed Bush of the second impact, by his own admission Bush knew America was being attacked, but he continued listening to the reading skills of a classroom full of children.

Just think about that for a while.

Jeff I understand what your saying but even one person who can't remember 911 is something absurd. We can't afford to have those kinds of people walking around the street randomly.

I agree. Let's kill them.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

If Bush really did see an airplane on TV hitting the World Trade Center then he saw that the aircraft was under control at the time, and he saw it before arriving at Booker Elementary because he was en route to the school when the first plane struck WTC 1 - a closed-circuit live feed to his limo is the only way he could have seen this impact on TV. It must also be remembered that even after Andrew Card informed Bush of the second impact, by his own admission Bush knew America was being attacked, but he continued listening to the reading skills of a classroom full of children.

Just think about that for a while.

That's an interesting point Jeff has.

Can anyone counter this?

Wouldn't he have seen it on TV anyway? The video was repeatedly broadcast that day, so Bush could have seen it after his trip to the school.

Bush's minutes of hesitation were a travesty, for sure, but they don't point to any sort of conspiracy. If he had planned the events in any way, wouldn't he have made every effort to appear as if he was doing his job?