Thread: Climate Change/Global Warming

Oh brother.

what? you think co2 causes warming?...

This is a delicated topic, but I do agree with you that CO2 is not the (sole?) responsible for global warming. What happens is that global awareness is a fact, and some bitches are using it in political propaganda.

Don't let yourselves be fooled by a politician that seems good and responsible.

Finally, I want to say that CO2 is not the only product of human activity: it consists of many things, such as deforestation, ground impermeabilisation, other more toxic chemicals in the air, and such.

Any sources?

Originally Posted by Grod

Any sources?

well, these 2 very very notable scientists had a conference in new york city weeks ago talking EXACTLY about what i stated, and no media showed up to cover the conference.

but when al gore shows up with his propaganda co2 SHIT, every reporter and their neighbor shows up..

think that through.


the republicans try to scare us with terror

the democrats scare us with enviromentalism

they both lie, and fear-monger, and they won't ever stop coming up with dragons to slay or demons to fight...they always need a fear inducing event to have their political power, to remove your civil liberties, in the name of one world government

Ok, first of all, this topic has been posted at least three times before on this board. But ok, I'll bite (for now).

Since you are going against the trend, why not show some supportive numbers... perhaps some that aren't supplied by those tied to big oil?

Conventional wisdom goes with the below percentages for contribution to the "greenhouse effect":

Water Vapor : 36-70%
C02 : 9-26%
Methane : 4-9%
Ozone : 3-7%

So yes, C02 contributes.

So where do you get your 3% from? Here is the conventional wisdom:

C02 has risen 35% since the beginning of the age of industrialization.

If not from man, from where?

And last of all, why does everyone who wants to deny our part in Global Warming have to talk about Al Gore as if he were the only one concerned with it? Some of us were concerned long before his movie came out. Throwing hatred his way does nothing to counter any science presented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Not to mention: the National Science Academies of the G8+5 nations, the Committee on the Science of Climate Change of the National Research Council, the American Meteorological Society, UK's Royal Meteorological Society, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), The American Geophysical Union, the American Institute of Physics, the American Astronomical Society, the Network of African Science Academies, the American Physical Society, the National Center for Atmospheric Research, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, Geological Society of America, the Federation of American Scientists, the Canadian and Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Societies, the European Geosciences Union, the International Union of Geological Sciences, the American Chemical Society, the Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London, and even Bush's Federal Climate Change Science Program, among others... all of whom agree.

But of course you have two scientists, so all of those must be wrong.

I mean sources as in do you have anything to back up what you stated, like reliable sources for links or articles as to why CO2 isn't a big threat, or how the levels have risen only 3%.

Edit: This is to Guerilla.

nature makes much more co2 then we even could dream of competing with.


co2 isn't the major cause, its such a small contribution, that is useless to suggest that carbon caused the warming..

Like i said earlier, from 1900-1940 the co2 and temp rose
from 1940-1980 the co2 went up but the temp WENT DOWN.

also i brought up al gore because he is brainwashing the world into wasting money on "green tech" funneling more of our declining dollar's to the elite pricks who run the show.

and most of these scientists who believe co2 is the cause are FULL OF SHIT. They are intimidated into lying.



my sources, are those 2 scientists who were ignored in NYC for speaking the TRUTH, Ron Paul has spoken up about global warming being used as a political tool for 1 world government.

for me, ron paul is enough of a source, because i dont believe a fucking word liberals or neo-conservatives say anymore.

and honestly, im not going to even debate this topic, why? because Gore and others like him are LIARS and WRONG, simple fact. done.

i will not even attempt to convince anyone, why? because if your too entrenched into the propaganda then im sorry you have to pull your own head out of your own ass, im not going to do it for you, if you do not want to believe me, DON'T...i dont care!, if you want to believe fairy tales about co2 causing 90% of the warming go ahead.

the purpose of my threads are to put information out there...not to debate it


Take it, or Leave it...thats my policy

Believe it, or not....the rest is up to you to decide, i can't make your mind up for you guys, its not my responsibility to wake you guys up, its your own responsibility.

Originally Posted by guerilla

co2 isn't the major cause, its such a small contribution, that is useless to suggest that carbon caused the warming..

9-26% seems a pretty large cause to me, that could be over a quarter of the effect.

Originally Posted by guerilla

and most of these scientists who believe co2 is the cause are FULL OF SHIT.

Why?

Originally Posted by guerilla

my sources, are those 2 scientists who were ignored in NYC for speaking the TRUTH.

Well if you can't even remember their names, they can't have been that important, can they?

Or if you can dig up the names, please be so kind as to post them so we can see whom we're talking about. Otherwise, for all we know, they were Beanie and Cecil.

Originally Posted by Grod

9-26% seems a pretty large cause to me, that could be over a quarter of the effect.

Why?

most of those scientists are full of shit because they are intimidated by governments to lie to the public.

Originally Posted by skysaw

Well if you can't even remember their names, they can't have been that important, can they?

Or if you can dig up the names, please be so kind as to post them so we can see whom we're talking about. Otherwise, for all we know, they were Beanie and Cecil.

im searching hold on.

Originally Posted by guerilla

most of those scientists are full of shit because they are intimidated by governments to lie to the public.

I wonder if you can back that up, too..

Originally Posted by Grod

I wonder if you can back that up, too..

theres no reason to back it up, Grod, you seem to trust government too much, socialist much?

In my mind, i NEVER trust government, EVER...i don't give a crap what official reports they spew out from their 'elite' asses.

NASA has hidden information from the public after being 'advised' by the government, believe it or not, scientists are weak, you think they're going to stand up to a government?



my point is, don't believe every 'official' government report, and don't trust fear-mongers, like al gore, and george bush.

You're telling me to not blindly trust something, but I don't know why you expect me to believe this.

Guerrilla the government is made of dragons wants to kill you if you don't offer thousands of radishes to them and take off your left shoe whenever you approach a stop sign. If you don't believe me you're a government trusting socialist.

Basically why should I believe what you're saying, etc.

and most of these scientists who believe co2 is the cause are FULL OF SHIT. They are intimidated into lying.

i dont believe a fucking word liberals or neo-conservatives say anymore.

i NEVER trust government, EVER

because Gore and others like him are LIARS and WRONG, simple fact. done.

Want to know what’s so ridiculously funny about goofball conspiracy theorists like you? All one has to do is suggest one thing, and you’ll automatically asume the opposite is true. Be careful… armed with this knowledge, just about anyone could completely run your life.

Originally Posted by Grod

Think about it for a second. You're basically telling me to not blindly trust something, but you're doing the exact same thing.

Guerrilla the government who's a dragon wants to kill you if you don't offer thousands of radishes to them and take off your left shoe whenever you approach a stop sign. If you don't believe me you're a government trusting socialist.

you read wrong, i said don't trust the GOVERNMENT...my information did not come from any government.

Originally Posted by skysaw

Want to know what’s so ridiculously funny about goofball conspiracy theorists like you? All one has to do is suggest one thing, and you’ll automatically asume the opposite is true. Be careful… armed with this knowledge, just about anyone could completely run your life.

this isn't a conspiracy theory, its fact, and co2 being the main cause of warming is the real conspiracy.

I don't theorize conspiracies anyways.


But i really don't care what anyone says about me on here, because in the end when the oceans rise 6 inches and not 20 feet like gore suggests, I'll be the one laughing my ass off at all of you guys dishing out money to go 'green' and 'save the earth'

sorry to burst your bubble but global warming isn't going to do much if ANYTHING at all.

so all in all, at the end of the day, your succumbing to fear, and im going with logic, and that my friends, is quite logical.


your criticizing me for believing one source too closely, while at the same time your doing the identical thing, your believing this international commision of LIARS established to make climate change by co2 look more legit.

The point is you can't make a claim, however ridiculous, without backing it up.

Oh, and another thing, I wonder if you could clarify a point for me?

If the NeoCons deny Global Warming…

And you thing everything they say is a lie…

Shouldn’t you be on our side for this one?

Originally Posted by skysaw

Oh, and another thing, I wonder if you could clarify a point for me?

If the NeoCons deny Global Warming…

And you thing everything they say is a lie…

Shouldn’t you be on our side for this one?

no, they don't deny global warming actually, mccain is a neo-con and he's pushing for a carbon tax and he's in bed with feingold and gore with global warming.

Nice try though.

At the end of the day, the liberals, and the neo-cons and many others are just plain liars who lie for personal gain.

do you honestly think al gore cares about climate change?, he flies around on his private jet, throws a climate change concert that uses TONS of electricity and other equipment which creates co2 which he claims we should reduce, yet he doesn't follow his own advice, why? BECAUSE ITS ALL BULLSHIT THATS WHY....


anyways, im outta here, time to go home from work soon.



and lastly, say what you want to say, whine, moan, complain, bitch as much as you want because when the smoke is cleared, I don't care, i really do not care what more 'obstacles' you want to toss at my feet.

Until you can back up anything I'm going to ignore everything you say.

At the end of the day, the liberals, and the neo-cons and many others are just plain liars who lie for personal gain.

Thank god for a thread that doesn't have any political bias at all [/sarcasm]

Originally Posted by Grod

Until you can back up anything I'm going to ignore everything you say.

well good, cause im tired of trying to explain the truth to a propaganda brain-washed society.

good day

So you just give us a bunch of statistics without any sources and expect us to believe you?