Discuss your thoughts without arguing.

pretty similar isn't it. The orb picture seems more defined and integrated and less cut and paste though. When you look closely. It's vastly different. One seems very harsh with not much detail and close to the lense. The other is entirely integrated into the picture with proper contrast that indicates the presence from the spaces proportions in the photo. If that fake picture is the best attempts of reproducing the mistake. Then it does not succeed in duplicating the effect to the full quality of the original orb picture.

The two photos look much the same except for the maximum brightness of the faked ones, which could be because they're at night.

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here is one of the assumed fake pics.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2341/...bf9495.jpg?v=0

Here is one of what is suppose to be an orb pic.

http://www.midsouthparanormal.com/EgyptOrbs2.JPG

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Known fake...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2284/...78e75d.jpg?v=0

Presented as real.
http://www.lacarte.org/health/chemtr...39;masorbs.jpg

They don't look too different, and considering that they are from different places, it doesn't surprise me that since the physical reasons would have to be different they look slightly different. Similarities include, little holes in the circles, and while there are more in the known fake, there are condensed ones and large ones, and ones that are more and are less transparent.

The talcum powder one looked even closer, despite the fact that it was from a different source. (I don't know why the picture wont show up so here is the link http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/ma...9/113ce340.jpg it is lighter though.

As for the movies, the one from the "undisclosed" farm area, I saw a show years ago that made a circle like it, with video producing the same thing, I thought it was mythbusters but apparently not.

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If that fake picture is the best attempts of reproducing the mistake.

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There is a gallery you know...

In the fake example all the round circles are white and in front of everything. In the orb photo they show a multitude of degrees of proportion with a much better quality hue in and behind things. While the fake one is fuzzy daggered transparency with no indication of proportion present.

The one presented as real in this photo is most likely just snow. There is snow on the ground. That is not really a credible example because of the conditions in the photo. real or not.

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In the fake example all the round circles are white and in front of everything. In the orb photo they show a multitude of degrees of proportion with a much better quality hue in and behind things. While the fake one is fuzzy daggered transparency with no indication of proportion present.

The one presented as real in this photo is most likely just snow. There is snow on the ground. That is not really a credible example because of the conditions in the photo. real or not.

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Dismissing someone else...
NOT ALLOWED!

video 1: satellites - they are extremely bright when reflected by the sun. also could be two helicopters.

video 2: haven't found an explanation for it. would love to hear yours - i guess the spirit orbs are using spirit power to vaporise grass from afar.

video 3: it's a butterfly. a white one!

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The one presented as real in this photo is most likely just snow. There is snow on the ground. That is not really a credible example because of the conditions in the photo. real or not.

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I only picked it because you put it there. I'll not try and use it anymore if you like. But if you'll notice the structure of many of the photos in the gallery, they are structured similiar to most of the pictures in the photos you've presented. In the photos where he made them purposefully faked he probably didn't feel like wasting too much of the time making them "proportioned" accurately in the photo. But if the structure is the same (and by this I mean not only the shape, but what is inside the shape) there is no reason to think that the photos presented as "real" are anything more than particles that are in the correct places vs. faked ones where they put the particles there themselves, or go to a place where they know they will find particles.

For example, the talcum powder photo was the best looking one, why should I assume that there aren't substances outside that can create the same appearance?

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Dismissing someone else...
NOT ALLOWED!

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Even more not allowed she dismissed herself.

Because it was the spirit orbs.

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video 1: satellites - they are extremely bright when reflected by the sun. also could be two helicopters.

video 2: haven't found an explanation for it. would love to hear yours - i guess the spirit orbs are using spirit power to vaporise grass from afar.

video 3: it's a butterfly. a white one!

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Actually, this was something put to rest a long time ago. I saw a video when I was like 10 or 11 that had the same results. It was these two men who had like lights on them, and then used a board and pieces of string with them to use their feet to bend the crops. It looks so fast because the camera that was filming it filmed at intervals of a specific set of seconds.

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Actually, this was something put to rest a long time ago. I saw a video when I was like 10 or 11 that had the same results. It was these two men who had like lights on them, and then used a board and pieces of string with them to use their feet to bend the crops. It looks so fast because the camera that was filming it filmed at intervals of a specific set of seconds.

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Nice :)
That does explain why the transitions were so unclear as well.

There, three videos explained. bam.

Now I'm going to cry, because it's my thread and I make up the rules and I want to.

I think this is what happened...

"sad to say it but the guy who filmed this in england told authorites and telivision news that it was fake. he was a pro photogragher and edited some clips into one and sold to some news agency. but sum people say the government forced to lie so dont jump to any conclusions "

I think I messed up the details on what I saw on t.v. at age 11 hehe. I may have been remembering a different show.

yeah I know I put the one of the snow there because I randomly searched for orbs and they were suppose to be the genuine ones. The photos there are not very useful for us novice interpreters. That's not where the bulk of the evidence is you know. I was just being nice by giving you a chance. Giving you an even playing field so to speak. Like I said. This is not just about photography. but the photography in itself isn't fully explainable.

Mmm. Well i'm just gonna leave this thread then. I don't really have anything to say about orbs other than I don't think they are real so....Pop I'm gone.

That isn't to say they don't exist under normal circumstances, it is just that I think people are misinterpreting them.

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I saw a video when I was like 10 or 11 that had the same results. It was these two men who had like lights on them, and then used a board and pieces of string with them to use their feet to bend the crops.

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You really don't know much about this subject do you.

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You really don't know much about this subject do you.

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What subject would that be?
About crop circles and faking orbs making them?

I was refuting the crop circle B.S. with that one, not the orbs :roll:

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You really don't know much about this subject do you.

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OMFG Orbs!
I mean, rule breakages!
I don't know what I'm talking about!

Holy shit. I think Minerva has taken over my account as well. Time to get some sleep.

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OMFG Orbs!
I mean, rule breakages!
I don't know what I'm talking about!

Holy shit. I think Minerva has taken over my account as well. Time to get some sleep.

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QFT.

yes but crop circles cannot be made from boards and people's feet or string. If your suggestion was they were trying to imitate the orbs creating the event. That is very funny but a pale cartoon like attempt to explain something superior. Even if they somehow could manifest all the effects in a proper crop circle. They would still lack the geometrical wisdom to create the amazingly complex designs. Hence my comment about your lack of awareness on the entire subject.

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Even more not allowed she dismissed herself.

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QFT.

Wow I completely missed that in my masturbation self glorification.
Maybe I should get my head out of the sand and accept that you have opinions as well.
That are correct.

Phew, I'm not possessed by Minerva anymore.
This game is getting a little of though...

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I am retarded.
Mentally retarded.
It's pretty severe.
I'm not sure if it's beyond help.

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QFT.

and for humour.

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amazingly complex designs.

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..intelligent designs, even.

I thought I was locked out of this thread for moment. God forbid I couldn't post more useless crap in here.

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yes but crop circles cannot be made from boards and people's feet or string. If your suggestion was they were trying to imitate the orbs creating the event. That is very funny but a pale cartoon like attempt to explain something superior. Even if they somehow could manifest all the effects in a proper crop circle. They would still lack the geometrical wisdom to create the amazingly complex designs. Hence my comment about your lack of awareness on the entire subject.

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yes but crop circles cannot be made from boards and people's feet or string.

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Maybe not individually but put them all together and what do you get?

A light plank (4-6 feet in length) with a rope (10-12 feet) knotted through holes in each end. Alternatively, you may prefer to buy a light garden roller from a garden centre.
A big ball of rope or nylon string (pre-stretched)
Marking pole
Protractor for measuring angles
Measuring tape (100 ft)
Night-vision goggles (optional)
Laser-pointer to assist placing markers (optional)

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-C..._You.27ll_Need

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Even if they somehow could manifest all the effects in a proper crop circle. They would still lack the geometrical wisdom to create the amazingly complex designs.

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First off, why would they lack the wisdom? and if they did...Interent and technology ftw.

Create your design on computer, and make amendments until you have the design you can be proud of. Use inspiration from state-of-the-art designs as seen on the internet.

Such a lack of knowledge I must have.

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yes but crop circles cannot be made from boards and people's feet or string.

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Hahaha. You are severely misinformed if you are genuinely thinking that.

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Create your design on computer

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It's not that easy. You need to appreciate geometry before you can comment on these designs.
Whoever did them deserves a nobel prize. Everyone knows that. Yet you think it's pranksters with boards on their feet.

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Hahaha. You are severely misinformed if you are genuinely thinking that.



It's not that easy.

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"The Great Orbs Of Wisdom haven't yet passed their knowledge onto you"
"...."
"... oh that's right"
"i forgot i was breaking my own rules on dissent"
"shit"
"i'm either not going to acknowledge it..."
"or actually believe i'm not doing anything wrong by the rules"

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Hahaha. You are severely misinformed if you are genuinely thinking that.



It's not that easy. You need to appreciate geometry before you can comment on these designs.
Whoever did them deserves a nobel prize. Everyone knows that. Yet you think it's pranksters with boards on their feet.

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But...But...videos...

Really which ones? And why? And are these geometrical things never seen before? Are they really so complicated that you can't use programs to create it? Or are you just buying into the idea that they are to complicated? Which ones are these that are too complicated?

In the 80's fractal geometry was what was new, and then in the early 90's guess where they started showing up, and why do crop circles get more advanced over time?