Debunking The "End Of Days." (2012)

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Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

The problem is I didn't say that you made it up. It becomes self evident 'me' is not a reason. Funnily enough that was the excuse you gave to dismiss the info. That is why I said you have no real justification.

Play word games if you want. Go ahead and did a deeper grave. We can create another better saint.

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He stated an opinion about you, and that's "you make no sense." He comes to that conclusion from reading what you type, and that's his reason for believing that you make no sense.

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Originally Posted by Alextanium

Internet tough guy detected.



I'm yet to see this from her.

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Then that's you. What I said I still stand by. I don't know what law you abide by that states we must agree on everything but it's a law I'm not aware of nor do I care to learn of it.

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Originally Posted by nitsuJ

He stated an opinion about you, and that's "you make no sense." He comes to that conclusion from reading what you type, and that's his reason for believing that you make no sense.

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That's coming to a conclusion based on your conclusion. What I type...You are yet to define it. So you can't have a conclusion until you define what didn't make sense. 'What I typed' is not a reason for why it doesn't make sense.

How you manage to avoid such a basic common sense thing is amazing. Especially when you are saying at the same time I am without sense. I assume you are now his representative and clarifying for me, what he thinks. So I'll assume you have the same opinion with the same unique invalid reasoning if you're not a multiple account.

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Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

That's coming to a conclusion based on your conclusion. What I type...You are yet to define it. So you can't have a conclusion until you define what didn't make sense. 'What I typed' is not a reason for why it doesn't make sense.

How you manage to avoid such a basic common sense thing is amazing. Especially when you are saying at the same time I am without sense. I assume you are now his representative and clarifying for me, what he thinks. So I'll assume you have the same opinion with the unique same invalid reasoning if you're not a multiple account.

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No, it's an observation. Some of your statements don't make sense at all.

If it's an observation it's a poor one. You're going around in circles. I don't think you understand the problem here. I may as well say you don't make sense because of what you posted. Yet it doesn't get us anywhere different. It's easy to say 'you don't make sense' but it doesn't mean anything if that statement is by itself it has nothing to support itself with. School should have made you realize.

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Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

...vast and generalized inaccurate statements against us...

While it tends to make you look worse unfortunately, that is not overall what is important to us. Nothing personal but rather the ignorance becomes the problem to face, together with getting the information out there. Exposing that ignorance is what we need so it's nothing personal.

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I agree that there are vast and generalized inaccurate statements against people, I just want to thank you for helping point such things out, and for providing the information for people who wish to come to their own conclusions about things.

Seriously, since I have became a member of this site, I have grown in so many ways, and I would definitely consider myself a better person. Most of it is because of posts like yours and others like you.

I happen to be interested in the possibilities in store for us in the future, while none of them are certain, it can't hurt to consider them. Obviously not everyone has the same interests, and people often say I'm weird, so it doesn't bother me when people don't share similar interests. Just because something has been "debunked" doesn't mean anything to me. There is so much fake debunking going on in the world today (at least enough in the US to go around) that it is hard to believe the debunking. People can debunk all they want, but all they are doing is giving their opinions. I do listen to them, but more often than not, I disagree with what is said. I don't believe anything I don't agree with.

I also want to say, Minervas Phoenix, you rarely if ever do not make sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Do you have any idea what that statement says about you?

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What does the statement say about him? :?

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Originally Posted by Schmaven

since I have became a member of this site, I have grown in so many ways, and I would definitely consider myself a better person. Most of it is because of posts like yours and others like you.

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Besides an overall interest in lucid dreams. That's the only reason I am even at the site, and maybe to practice some articulation. To hear someone say exactly what you want to complete makes you feel like you at least effected something that helped. Even if it was just one person who you would never get to meet.

We aren't here to put people down or throw negativity at them. There is no purpose in responding to someone if that is your main goal.

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Originally Posted by Dreamworld

What does the statement say about him? :?

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What doesn't it say? When 2012 brings to mind the stock market you're not exactly getting the purpose of it. People at wall street are not known for their selfless service or compassion. They are not particularly liked 'out there'. I didn't want to have to explain myself the point is to reflect on what kind of person you are. The subject of 2012 to any conscientious person holds more significance that a possible profit on the stock market. The truth is the stock market will probably be the least important thing by then if it hasn't completely unraveled and burst in it's fragile fraudulent bubble.

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Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

What doesn't it say? When 2012 brings to mind the stock market you're not exactly getting the purpose of it. I don't want to have to explain myself the point is to reflect on what kind of person you are. The subject of 2012 to any conscientious person holds more significance that a possible profit on the stock market. The truth is the stock market will probably be the least important thing by then if it hasn't completely unraveled and burst it it's fragile fraudulent bubble.

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Looking back on it...I don't think 2012 will have much effect on the stock market at all. I wouldn't think most people who "play the stock market" are the types to believe in such things.

They will believe it when the illusion finally crashes on top of their head though. That day is more near than you think. The stock market is not something that is genuine or real it's always being something fraudulent. It's always being a tool of manipulation economically.

Once again I wouldn't quote me if I'm online. By the time you do my post will have changed.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

Looking back on it...I don't think 2012 will have much effect on the stock market at all. I wouldn't think most people who "play the stock market" are the types to believe in such things.

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Naive impressionable people sink money into the stock market every day. They are the people who are cold-called by stock broker companies and bamboozled into 'getting in on this hot stock'. Then there are people like my mother, who think they know what they are doing, and they tell you about their good trades, but they forget to mention they are about 20,000 dollars DOWN since they started trading a year earlier. Thankfully I'm from a well off family that won't miss that amount of money, because it IS a problem for her, but she doesn't see it. These people are common.

But that isn't my point. My point is that there are plenty of people out there that will eat this tripe hand over fist, and have more money than sense. I'm not saying the market will crash, but I'm fairly confident that there will be a noticeable downturn due to the impressionability of the general public. At the very least, it can't hurt to be prepared.

I will be holding an 'End of the World' party on Dec 21st 2012, and I'll happily post the pictures here on Dec 22nd. Like the other countless predictions that came before it, nothing is going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Alextanium

I will be holding an 'End of the World' party on Dec 21st 2012, and I'll happily post the pictures here on Dec 22nd.

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I had that idea too... Lemme check what day dec 21 2012 is on...

Ok... Friday 21. of december 2012 is now officially a party-day.

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Originally Posted by Alextanium

Naive impressionable people sink money into the stock market every day. They are the people who are cold-called by stock broker companies and bamboozled into 'getting in on this hot stock'. Then there are people like my mother, who think they know what they are doing, and they tell you about their good trades, but they forget to mention they are about 20,000 dollars DOWN since they started trading a year earlier. Thankfully I'm from a well off family that won't miss that amount of money, because it IS a problem for her, but she doesn't see it. These people are common.

But that isn't my point. My point is that there are plenty of people out there that will eat this tripe hand over fist, and have more money than sense. I'm not saying the market will crash, but I'm fairly confident that there will be a noticeable downturn due to the impressionability of the general public. At the very least, it can't hurt to be prepared.

I will be holding an 'End of the World' party on Dec 21st 2012, and I'll happily post the pictures here on Dec 22nd. Like the other countless predictions that came before it, nothing is going to happen.

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I'm sorry to hear that about your mother. What saddens me even more is that her case is unoriginal. However, I don't think people who play the stock market should be painted in such a bad light. It is NOT like going to Las Vegas. Of course some treat it as such and that's where they get screwed, probably like your mother. I on the other hand do not play the stock market (yet)...but Warren Buffet and countless others do and they stress the importance of intrinsic value, and buying not to buy fast and sell but holding onto stock because of its intrinsic value. I'd like to think Warren Buffet is correct...after all...he owns many shares in Coca Cola and as of 2008 was declared by Forbes magazine as the richest man in the world with Bill Gates trailing in 3rd place. My point is this...if you don't take the time to invest in your education, and learn/take advice from people who are at the position that you're wanting to be at...you shouldn't risk the venture.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

How are they interesting to consider? Personally, I find things interesting when they're grounded in reality. For example, I find it more interesting to contemplate the implications of Moore's Law than to try to imagine what would happen if there was suddenly a computer invented that was millions of times more advanced than everything else. Fairy tales like 2012 aren't interesting at all, at least not going by my definition. Hell, 2012 isn't even a fairy tale. Fairy tales at least had lessons to teach. The 2012 crap is just fluff that serves to keep people's minds off their boring lives.

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We are on a Dream View site, and what about keeping peoples minds off of thier boring lives.

Minervas Phoenix, the last time I checked, someone doesn't have to do scientific experiments to show you don't make sense. Some people can read your shit and not make sense from it, do you not comprehend that? You don't need "proof" for it, it's a person not understanding what point you're trying to come across with. An observation. You can keep assing around trying to run this arguement in circles all you want, but the truth is the truth.

K, BAI

For all you people know Dec 21 2012 could be the birthdate of the Antichrist. The world doesn't necessarily have to fall into blackness on that day.

On the other hand, I am not a superstitious man, so I don't believe in a Mayan calendar predicting the end of time.

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Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

For all you people know Dec 21 2012 could be the birthdate of the Antichrist. The world doesn't necessarily have to fall into blackness on that day.

On the other hand, I am not a superstitious man, so I don't believe in a Mayan calendar predicting the end of time.

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...But yet the birthing of the Antichrist sounds more plausible...:rolllaugh:

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

...But yet the birthing of the Antichrist sounds more plausible...:rolllaugh:

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.....I missed the punchline......

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Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

.....I missed the punchline......

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Don't worry, it's just because you're a moron.

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Don't worry, it's just because you're a moron.

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Is that necessary? Have we sunk to insults that fast? I'm not supporting his or anyone else's rudeness but this is equally uncalled for what is the point of it?

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Originally Posted by NitsuJ

Minervas Phoenix, the last time I checked, someone doesn't have to do scientific experiments to show you don't make sense. Some people can read your shit and not make sense from it, do you not comprehend that? You don't need "proof" for it, it's a person not understanding what point you're trying to come across with. An observation. You can keep assing around trying to run this arguement in circles all you want, but the truth is the truth.

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NitsuJ I didn't ask for evidence I asked why to a particular person which could be you in disguise. Why I didn't make sense. Not to everyone. A reason why I didn't make sense to them and why it was their observation. See how that is different from me asking for a scientific experiment?

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Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Is that necessary? Have we sunk to insults that fast?

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It was faster than that.


Anyway, what's the deal with saying the Mayan calendar is based on a 26,000 years cycle? Apparently it's even shorter than that. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayan_l..._Count_periods)

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Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Is that necessary? Have we sunk to insults that fast? I'm not supporting his or anyone else's rudeness but this is equally uncalled for what is the point of it?



NitsuJ I didn't ask for evidence I asked why to a particular person which could be you in disguise. Why I didn't make sense. Not to everyone. A reason why I didn't make sense to them and why it was their observation. See how that is different from me asking for a scientific experiment?

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not me in disguise.