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Originally Posted by stonedape

Does anyone else think that crime rates have more to do with morality and intelligence of the average person than availibility of guns? Of course guns play a role in the amount of crime, but it doesn't create or eliminate crime. MOst people who legally own guns in the US don't use them for crimes. If you ban guns, don't plan on criminals deciding to just turn their guns in.

Maybe a better way to reduce crime would be to fix the school system and work to reduce poverty.

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I agree. We need to EDUCATE!
*ahem*
Cause of Crime:
Reasons for committing a crime include greed, anger, jealously, revenge, or pride. Some people decide to commit a crime and carefully plan everything in advance to increase gain and decrease risk. These people are making choices about their behavior; some even consider a life of crime better than a regular job—believing crime brings in greater rewards, admiration, and excitement—at least until they are caught. Others get an adrenaline rush when successfully carrying out a dangerous crime. Others commit crimes on impulse, out of rage or fear.

The desire for material gain (money or expensive belongings) leads to property crimes such as robberies, burglaries, white-collar crimes, and auto thefts. The desire for control, revenge, or power leads to violent crimes such as murders, assaults, and rapes. These violent crimes usually occur on impulse or the spur of the moment when emotions run high. Property crimes are usually planned in advance.

http://law.jrank.org/pages/12004/Causes-Crime.html

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Originally Posted by NonDualistic

I just googled "World Crime Statistics" and found a load of information on all sorts of crime categories, general and per/capita as well.

Goebbels would be proud of you and your misinformation and propaganda.


You should take you jack boots off and let some of the blood circulate back into your head,,,,,,

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I have a Goebbels lunch box.

Also, America has 3 times more people in prison, per citizen, than European countries. Also far more than Russian and China.

It's fun if you want to pay a lot of tax money, but it really makes you wonder about America's way of dealing with, (and creating of,) crime.

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Originally Posted by Neruo

I have a Goebbels lunch box.

Also, America has 3 times more people in prison, per citizen, than European countries. Also far more than Russian and China.

It's fun if you want to pay a lot of tax money, but it really makes you wonder about America's way of dealing with, (and creating of,) crime.

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The amount of crime in this country has much more to do with our hotshot attitudes, money chasing, money obsessed, supremist attitude. If you haven't noticed, Americans like to stand out a lot. Well, for the most part. Our crime levels have nothing to do with our laws about guns. They have to do with our obsession with money.

...and hence selfishness and lack of social responsibility. I completely agree. Parents do nothing to teach their children otherwise, nor do their friends, teachers, or the unlimited capitalist system.

This policy divides us more than anything else ever could. "It's not personal, it's just business".

That's the problem. Nothing is personal.

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Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

The amount of crime in this country has much more to do with our hotshot attitudes, money chasing, money obsessed, supremist attitude. If you haven't noticed, Americans like to stand out a lot. Well, for the most part. Our crime levels have nothing to do with our laws about guns. They have to do with our obsession with money.

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Getting shot in the face does have somthing to do with guns, right?

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Getting shot in the face does have somthing to do with guns, right?

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I'm trying to prove a point that abolishing our right to weapons won't have much of an effect on crime. Criminals will keep their illegal guns and the good people will have to turn in all their registered guns.

But, I suppose you think that little bit of difference it would make is worth it? I mean, if abolishing gun rights could save one human life, it must be worth it right?

What happens if some V for Vendetta shit happens and our government goes wack and the American population wants to rebell? The government will laugh at our pitchforks and shovels as their soldiers come in our homes. And don't say it could never happen. I seriously doubt the pot you smoke lets you see into the future.

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Originally Posted by ninja9578

Certain guns are for hunting, certain guns are for self defense. Some guns have no purpose other than killing people. No one needs a machine gun except for the military or swat team. High rate of fires weapons should be banned, guns for hunting and self defense should require extensive background checks and be heavily moderated.

Less guns = less gun violence. NYC has outlawed guns and there is far less violence, very few countries have large problems with weapons, the US is one of them because guns are largely unregulated compared to other countries.

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What if you need to defend yourself against the military or swat team?

Any place that has outlawed guns may have less gun violence(duh), but often times they have higher levels of other kinds of violence. Just look at the UK. Their violent crime rate is 5 times what it in the U.S. The only difference is, people are stabbing and bludgeoning each other instead of shooting each other.

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Originally Posted by Neruo

Also, America has 3 times more people in prison, per citizen, than European countries. Also far more than Russian and China.

It's fun if you want to pay a lot of tax money, but it really makes you wonder about America's way of dealing with, (and creating of,) crime.

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I believe I recently read that over 1/3 of all US convicts are actually in there for second/third strike drug possession. This is what the highly unsuccessful 'War on Drugs' has given the US - an overcrowded prison system full of people who shouldn't be in there in the first place. On the inside they mix with the harder criminals and can potentially come out a lot worse than they went in.

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Originally Posted by Xaqaria

What if you need to defend yourself against the military or swat team?

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What average citizen has a hope in hell of defending themselves against a fully armed and trained SWAT team even WITH automatic weapons?

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Originally Posted by Alextanium

What average citizen has a hope in hell of defending themselves against a fully armed and trained SWAT team even WITH automatic weapons?

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The Iraqis and Afghanis seem to be doing it just fine.

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Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Any place that has outlawed guns may have less gun violence(duh), but often times they have higher levels of other kinds of violence. Just look at the UK. Their violent crime rate is 5 times what it in the U.S. The only difference is, people are stabbing and bludgeoning each other instead of shooting each other.

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Did nobody read my pertinent point abour the far higher population density of Europe (UK) and the USA on page 3????????????????????

Automatic weapons are limited in use, unlike the semi-auto. Trust me, automatic weapons are not necessary or even a big deal if you use the correct tactics. They are mainly for defensive positions.

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Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

I'm trying to prove a point that abolishing our right to weapons won't have much of an effect on crime. Criminals will keep their illegal guns and the good people will have to turn in all their registered guns.

But, I suppose you think that little bit of difference it would make is worth it? I mean, if abolishing gun rights could save one human life, it must be worth it right?

What happens if some V for Vendetta shit happens and our government goes wack and the American population wants to rebell? The government will laugh at our pitchforks and shovels as their soldiers come in our homes. And don't say it could never happen. I seriously doubt the pot you smoke lets you see into the future.

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But it does!

They still didn't invent something to prevent people from farting however. The future isn't all that great.

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Originally Posted by Never

Automatic weapons are limited in use, unlike the semi-auto. Trust me, automatic weapons are not necessary or even a big deal if you use the correct tactics. They are mainly for defensive positions.

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Very true. I can pick somebody of from a far greater distance with semi automatic over a fully automatic. But for close quarters, an automatic comes in handy.

But it doesn't matter. I could buy an AR 15 (semi auto only version of the M16), push in a single pin, or shave off a part of the trigger mechanism, and make it fully automatic. And no, I won't tell anybody how to do it.

Neruo...stay on topic....do you disagree with my points in the post you responded to?

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Originally Posted by Alextanium

What average citizen has a hope in hell of defending themselves against a fully armed and trained SWAT team even WITH automatic weapons?

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One way or the other, average citizens are not the ones who want to buy automatic weapons, and they aren't the ones that are going to be standing up during a time of government oppression/civil unrest. I personally think buying an automatic rifle through legal means is a hindrance to any act of rebellion rather than helpful because what it does first and foremost is put you on a list of people to go after first once the shit hits the fan.

All I'm saying is, reserving the most effective killing machines for people in positions of authority, or working directly for that authority, is dangerous for the common man, unless you trust that authority explicitly and in all situations; which I have to say, I don't.