Thread: Poor Wolves (Alaska)

Sarah Palin is a sad excuse for a human. I think someone needs to "hunt" her and see how she likes it. ya real brave shooting animals from helicopters, planes or whatever.

Poor Wolf that bitch is gonna get whats coming to her.

Originally Posted by Ramos

Sarah Palin is a sad excuse for a human. I think someone needs to "hunt" her and see how she likes it. ya real brave shooting animals from helicopters, planes or whatever.

Poor Wolf that bitch is gonna get whats coming to her.

Are you a vegetarian?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Are you a vegetarian?

I try to avoid meat as much as possible.

They kill wolves to save more of the caribou population as there is overpopulation of the wolves (any deaths other than that, sure you can complain about). If they let the wolf population strive, there would be over predation. Before you think that it is just a fun killing game, think over it a bit more. Next you will be telling me that killing spiders and flies around my house is cruel and that I should be crushed. And did the vegetarians ever think of the plants when they eat them? Equally alive.

Originally Posted by Exhalent

They kill wolves to save more of the caribou population as there is overpopulation of the wolves (any deaths other than that, sure you can complain about). If they let the wolf population strive, there would be over predation. Before you think that it is just a fun killing game, think over it a bit more. Next you will be telling me that killing spiders and flies around my house is cruel and that I should be crushed. And did you ever think of the plants when you kill them to eat? Equally alive.

Nature balances itself out on its own. Before massive human intervention the eco-system was able to balance itself out on it's own. Look at how many animals are endagenered and threatened now adays. I'm sure the intentions are good but the results in the natural world are never as good as it would be if it was left alone and unmolested by hunters.

When there are few predators around, the cariboo population booms. When this happens the Wolf population hunts the cariboo and their populations boom likewise. Soon enough the Cariboo Population decreases to the point where there isn't enough prey to sustain the wolf population. The wolf begin to decrease in population and as soon as this happens the Caribo gain in numbers and so on.

Sorry if this explanation is a bit simplistic, in my Science text book there was a good part of a section on Biomes which explained how energy was transfered in Eco-Systems and Biomes and it went into a fair amount of detail on the Predator-prety relationsip and how nature balances itself out. Unfortunately i can't recall much of it at the moment.

I give you credit for the post. Reasonable argument. I do not have the time, not now at least, to continue posting my thoughts so I will leave it to you guys.

Originally Posted by Exhalent

They kill wolves to save more of the caribou population as there is overpopulation of the wolves (any deaths other than that, sure you can complain about). If they let the wolf population strive, there would be over predation. Before you think that it is just a fun killing game, think over it a bit more. Next you will be telling me that killing spiders and flies around my house is cruel and that I should be crushed. And did the vegetarians ever think of the plants when they eat them? Equally alive.

Spiders and flies are not wolves. Maybe they should all leave Alaska if they can't handle the wolf population, god damn pussies. We've already taken most of North America, might as well let animals keep Alaska.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Spiders and flies are not wolves. Maybe they should all leave Alaska if they can't handle the wolf population, god damn pussies. We've already taken most of North America, might as well let animals keep Alaska.

Spiders and flies are still living creatures. Not believing that they should also be saved makes you a hypocrite. Unless you have a particular reason why wolves should be saved.

People hunt things all the time. If we wanted to we could probably drive most of the hunted animals to extinction. But there are rules and regulations in place that prevent those things from happening.

Species of animals were going extinct by the zillions long before there were humans. Also, humans are just as much a manifestation of nature as any other animals.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

Spiders and flies are still living creatures. Not believing that they should also be saved makes you a hypocrite. Unless you have a particular reason why wolves should be saved.

People hunt things all the time. If we wanted to we could probably drive most of the hunted animals to extinction. But there are rules and regulations in place that prevent those things from happening.

Wolves should be saved because that is their natural habitat, and in general wolves is a fading population... Though obviously not so much in Alaska..

Spiders and flies are rampant and every single one of us probably sees one on a daily basis, we don't all walk outside and see wolves.

Yes they are all living creatures, but their is still a heirarchy...

Species of animals were going extinct by the zillions long before there were humans. Also, humans are just as much a manifestation of nature as any other animals.

Of course, but that doesn't mean we should be facilitating this.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Of course, but that doesn't mean we should be facilitating this.

By your logic, the wolves shouldn't be endangering the caribou, thus creating a need for us to kill them. That is to say, they're facilitating as much as we are.

Originally Posted by Lord Bennington

By your logic, the wolves shouldn't be endangering the caribou, thus creating a need for us to kill them. That is to say, they're facilitating as much as we are.

Not by my logic actually..... My logic is simply to not as a human population to get involved in killing animals that are endangered. While the populations in Alaska are high, the rest of the United States is lacking in wolves populations.

My logic is for humans not for wolves... How come you had such a hard time understanding that my point is for humans to keep their nose out of natural habitats... Though if the caribou population is fading, it would be smart have some in a zoo to try and avoid it's full extinction. (The natural ecosystem will change a lot in hundreds of years... nothing stays the same) The only acceptable answer to a lack of a caribou population, is to make the caribou that are mate and have more injected into the ecosystem.. not by killing a bunch of wolves..

People hunt things all the time. If we wanted to we could probably drive most of the hunted animals to extinction. But there are rules and regulations in place that prevent those things from happening.

People should be hunting things to eat, not just to kill.

They do the exact same thing with deer and stuff. When their is an overpopulation of deer, people go out hunting and kill them. Yet you don't see people complaining about that, except for people who is against all hunting. If you are against all hunting, then there is not much to say.

The big problem is that you can't let nature take care of it, because we already throw it so out of balance. We hunt all the stuff that they do as well.

Its probably more a competition than anything. Humans can't hunt caribou when their are that many wolves there, so they hunt the wolves so that the caribou population remains high enough for humans to hunt.

"They kill wolves to save more of the caribou population as there is overpopulation of the wolves "

Not true, in fact... wolves are in danger again! They protect them until they're at a 'stable' level... then they send out helicopters and gun down wholes families, up to 1500 wolves in a month... sure... save th caribou You don't have to be vegatarian to realize that the killing of 1500 animals, young and old, without any intentions of eating or using them in anyway... is wrong. Especially considering that wolvea are extremely intelligent creatures, that are very social... and share several 'human' emotions...

It's one thing to hunt for food, but there's no justification in hunting for sport. Willfully inflicting harm on others and finding some kind of joy in that speaks volumes about how royally fucked up in the head one can be.

I eat meat, and I am not opposed to the killing of animals for meat. However, I could never kill a big animal myself for any reason other than defense. I have a hard time fathoming how people can feel good about shooting deer, wolves, etc. I couldn't even shoot a duck or a squirrel. If I ever did, it would severely screw with my head. I still feel bad about killing a frog when I was 12. I am always very skeptical about the morals of people who kill complex-brained animals for the purpose of having fun. It seems very psycho.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I eat meat, and I am not opposed to the killing of animals for meat. However, I could never kill a big animal myself for any reason other than defense. I have a hard time fathoming how people can feel good about shooting deer, wolves, etc. I couldn't even shoot a duck or a squirrel. If I ever did, it would severely screw with my head. I still feel bad about killing a frog when I was 12. I am always very skeptical about the morals of people who kill complex-brained animals for the purpose of having fun. It seems very psycho.

Yeah same here, i'll eat the meat but i can't kill for sport. I'm not even sure i would even defend myself if i had to save my life, i've been choked untill i could not breathe, i did not do anything but laugh, and i have been hit on the back by a wooden broom and the guy grabbed my head and took me down, and all i did was laugh. I bet if i get shot, i would just laugh, maybe if someone had a gun in my face i would laugh at them and not take them seriously.

hahaa... I still feel guilty about pulling the wings off a fly when I was 7.

I think hunting purely for sport should be banned. If you eat or otherwise use what you kill then it's okay within reason... but to kill something and then just leave it to rot in the elements is wrong IMHO.

Species of animals were going extinct by the zillions long before there were humans. Also, humans are just as much a manifestation of nature as any other animals.

This isn't really true.

We're currently going through a massive extinction event called the Holocene extinction event (the Holocene being the current geological time period), and it is on a scale that has only been seen around 6 times in the Earth's 4 billion year history. Nobody knows exactly why it is happening, but it coincides with the dawn of modern humans.

Originally Posted by Xei

This isn't really true.

We're currently going through a massive extinction event called the Holocene extinction event (the Holocene being the current geological time period), and it is on a scale that has only been seen around 6 times in the Earth's 4 billion year history. Nobody knows exactly why it is happening, but it coincides with the dawn of modern humans.

You're saying #6 started when humans came about? Then #1-5 happened before there were humans. What I do know is that tons of species went extinct before there were humans.

No, these events are not normal. Extinction normally occurs at a rate equal to the production of new species, but in major extinction events massive groups of organisms are totally wiped out. One of the five events was the meteor which completely destroyed the dinosaurs.

Originally Posted by Xei

No, these events are not normal. Extinction normally occurs at a rate equal to the production of new species, but in major extinction events massive groups of organisms are totally wiped out. One of the five events was the meteor which completely destroyed the dinosaurs.

I don't really see where you are disagreeing with me. I didn't say the events are "normal". I said humans didn't cause them. I know humans have caused many extinctions that otherwise would not have happened and will cause more. I was just saying lots and lots of species of animals went extinct before there were humans. That is true, isn't it?

Yes of course. They have been caused by various events which can generally be described as huge natural disasters, so it's very concerning that we appear to be causing another one.

I'm honestly not so concerned. The first mass extinction happened when photosynthesis evolved and started flooding the air with oxygen. It is just the way of life that each animal makes room for itself. We can expect that it will taper off sometime after humans go extinct and that new and amazing life forms will evolve some time after that. While it is very sad for us to be losing so many species, I personally don't see what the big deal is from the big picture stand point. It's just clearing the way for something new.