This is what you get, America, for submitting to the globalists.

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Originally Posted by Supernova

Becasue they don't kow that it's against the law, because even if they did most of them would be too damn lazy to do anything about it, that's wthe purpose of reality tv, tabloids, and all these other stupid little distractions made to keep people from realizing what's going on. It's like how cops can voilate people's rights just by them not knowing them, but on a much, much bigger scale.

Some people say the U.S. is on it's way down in the world. I sure hope so, because where we're headed otherwise it's a hell of a lot worse.

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Yeah, the other day I saw a cop pull someone over. One of the people in the car had a pot shirt on and the cop masked the guy to step out of the car and submit to a search.

I wanted to scream, "You can just say no!!!" But sure enough, the cop pulled a little plastic bag out of his pocket, cuffed him up and took him away. Why would you submit to that when holding narcotics unless you didn't know your rights?

Anyone here seen the video of a cop pulling a guy over and the cop tazes him because the guy mouths off too much? I don't know much about this G-20 thing, but with the PA in general I wonder how long it will be until we all wear Alpha/Gamma jumpsuits, have firefighters burn books and sing praise to Big Brother.

i'd give it 10 years before we are 1984 completely.



I give it 2 years before commercials like this one are reality and not a satire.

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Originally Posted by guerilla

i'd give it 10 years before we are 1984 completely.
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I give it 2 years before commercials like this one are reality and not a satire.

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You're quite the optimist, aren't you?

Not really. I tend to predict 'whats the worst that could happen'

Because, thinking 'whats the best that can happen' is blinding yourself with a false hope of a better future.

Optimism is an illusion, because the ideas brought by optimism usually never happen, its like hoping you will wake up in paradise, when your serving a life-time sentence in prison.

I guess i'm a pessimist then, no surprise to me.

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Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

You guys are either blind or ignoring my posts. Since most blind people don't post in internet forums, I'm going to assume you are ignoring my posts.

Twice I posted information that negates both your statements (and the topic of the thread) that using national guard forces to enforce laws is not prohibited so long as they are under command of the governor.

Since you guys seem to know so much about what the Posse Comitatus disallows, I'm going to assume you've read it. I have not read it. Since you have nothing to fear because you've correctly interpreted the Act, I request that you link me to where I may read it seeing as I cannot find it myself. Surely the act itself will negate what I've said... so long as you have read it and interpreted it correctly.

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I just didn't see your posts, and you are right; posse comitatus doesn't apply. In fact, it hardly ever applies these days. I found this article on it and it is a real eye opener.

What we see at the G-20 summits is the result of State elites, not international trade. Expanding trade is a good thing. It allows for the survival of our current population. If we are deemed to have to be self-sufficient, how would the division of labor function? How can we be a scholar when we have to make our own shoes? How can one be a teacher when they have to grow their own food? The expansion of trade [ not to be confused with mercantilism ] has caused a growth in standard of living that continues to propel the world. This power is trying to be control by state elites who want to harness it and bend it to their will. I find fault with that. I find fault with every international trade organization, the supposed 'free-trade' of NAFTA and the like. I have seen other photos of supposed anarchists who are against capitalism, waving their wonderful flags and donning bandanas so their crimes against property can go unpunished. These 'smash/grab' anarchists are little better then vagrants & hoodlums who prowl the streets looking to destroy/steal under the guise of protest. Not all of those who protested were like this, so don't think that I am genealizing all of them into one collective blob. There were people there who were honestly just interested in protesting. I don't see any advancement in screaming but hey if you want to walk the streets and yell for a couple of hours, I'm not going to stop you. Back on topic, we see before us the lengths that governments will go to in order to secure/advance their power. However what the protestors perhaps, and I stress perhaps, don't see is that this is simply a result of state power and not of actual capitalism.

I agree

If you wanted REAL free markets, there would be no trade agreements or tariffs whatsoever. The goods would just naturally flow from country to country.

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Originally Posted by Hercuflea

I agree

If you wanted REAL free markets, there would be no trade agreements or tariffs whatsoever. The goods would just naturally flow from country to country.

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The NAFTA trade agreement has something like over 1000 pages in trade affairs.
How many pages does it take to have actual free trade?
Zero

Looking at this particular event, eh, not much bothers me.

As far as extra security- that is important. Lot's of crap could happen at the summit. As far as hte summit itself goes- People are crying out that this is the end of U.S. hegemony. I don't know about that. Likely it's hype. But I'm not being elitist when I say that we've been practically unchallenged since the Cold War. (A third of the major corporations, military budget equally almost every other military budget combined.) I understand why the USA wants to hold onto that.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if America shared that power with others. It's a big responsibility and frankly one that I don't think any one nation can handle without corrupting itself. Plus, balance is usually good.

Hmm. I guess I'm submitting to the globablists now...

imo, nobody deserves that kind of power, not america or any nation should be such an empire as us.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I'm not worried about the empire collapsing, im worried about our 'freedoms' being collapsed as well.

Power either shifts in the direction of the people, or to the elite. When set in motion, the power will continue to move to its intended end unless something stops it. If democracy becomes far more widespread, and the fears and risks of terrorism, warfare, along with disasters of any sort decrease, then the people will possess more power. Should the opposite occur, be prepared for the worst. Sitting back and screaming that globalists are taking over won't help; becoming more aware, informed, and involved will. You can still vote. You can still leave your country. You can still spread at least some information regarding these matters throughout most of the developed world.

Either way, it won't hurt to become more aware of the world around you and those that run it, and changing it for the better for all of us. But if things go badly, don't expect everybody to bend over and take it up their rears. There's always someone who will fight for what they believe, no matter what.

Well if you look at it that way, then maybe the power with the people is the best thing, the power is so spread out that no sole citizen could seize it all and become a dictatorial kind of leader.

Really though, centralization and concentration of power is the biggest enemy of humanity and the earth.

Oh my gosh, you all sound like a bunch of anarchists! :lol:

Because we want real freedom and not a phony freedom of today?

Oh gosh guys, were evil we want freedom.


Since when was it a crime to have your own opinion and beliefs?

Don't condemn anyone for their views, whether they are anarchists, or not.

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Because we want real freedom and not a phony freedom of today?

Oh gosh guys, were evil we want freedom.


Since when was it a crime to have your own opinion and beliefs?

Don't condemn anyone for their views, whether they are anarchists, or not.

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Laughing Man is an anarchist too.

Well im not an anarchist, but i dont believe in big government

I believe in the Constitution, and not much else.

(not counting some of the amendments)

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Originally Posted by Hercuflea

Well im not an anarchist, but i dont believe in big government

I believe in the Constitution, and not much else.

(not counting some of the amendments)

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Hooray for vague and useless social-contracts that really have no authority!

lol, not sure what you're talking about, but the Constitution is the supreme law of the land here in the US

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Hooray for vague and useless social-contracts that really have no authority!

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It's that kind of attitude which helped destroy the constitution.

It's this whole mindset of "oh its just a piece of old paper, trust your government, they are right"

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Originally Posted by Hercuflea

lol, not sure what you're talking about, but the Constitution is the supreme law of the land here in the US

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Originally Posted by guerilla

It's that kind of attitude which helped destroy the constitution.

It's this whole mindset of "oh its just a piece of old paper, trust your government, they are right"

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Both of you should read, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority by Lysander Spooner. http://jim.com/treason.htm

Guerilla, I know you've seen some of my posts on these forums. Attributing "oh it's just a piece of old paper, trust your government, they are right" to me is nonsensical.

Except for the fact that you just essentially said that...

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Except for the fact that you just essentially said that...

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I should clarify, sorry.

I meant the "trust your government, they are right" part. I should've been more specific.

so you really do hate the constitution

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so you really do hate the constitution

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Hate? No. Do I see it as the highest law in the land? No, and for two reasons.

1: It's not like the government follows it anyway.

2: The people that agreed with it died many many years ago. What I mean is, the states, which were filled with and run by people who died many many years ago, ratified it many many years ago. The people that drafted the Constitution died many many years ago. It hasn't been re-ratified and as far as I know, no one alive today was alive way-back-when. What legitimacy does it have? That's a very loose explanation.

In No Treason, Lysander Spooner goes into the fallacy of the social-contract theory. Did any of us ever sign the Constitution?

Did anyone ever actually sign the Constitution?

Here, is a lesson on what america was, and should be, and why the constitution is so important.

Give this informative video a watch:




If we do not follow the constitution we will end up like the roman republic, DESTROYED.

If you believe we should abandon the constitution then I recommend moving to a country with an oligarchy.

Maybe north korea is a good choice, or china...or maybe russia...hmm how about burma?

Thats the direction we are headed if the destruction of this sacred document continues.


And for the last time, we are not a democracy.


Also, heres a nice piece of info for those who don't think the war in afghanistan is also a fraud like iraq

http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009...-want-to-know/