I'm just trying to get you to stop being so bloody stupid. If there are riots, you get riot police to stop the riots and protect the civilian population. It's not the goddamn NWO Pittsburg Division, how can this be so hard for you to understand??
Meanwhile there really is appalling censorship taking place all over the world, currently in Iran over the fake election, and Afghanistan, and of course in North Korea, and you don't have a clue about it.
What Xei said!Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
Have you ever been to or seen an anti-globalization rally before? That's all you posted. It's nothing new. It's been happening on a large scale since forever. It was in Seattle '99, '00 or '01 that it started on this scale. Pepper gas and rubber bullets are the name of the game.
It's because of the talk we had about how the economic elite have been running shit since the bronze age and there are real conspiracies. Just not some global NWO consipiracy. As George Carlin said, "You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. These people went to the same schools, joined the same fraternities and they know what's good for them."
This "eliminating the world population by 80%" garbage is just that. You still haven't explained how that doesn't fly in the face of Malthus! Why would they do that when they have Malthus working for them. If you actually, literally enslave people, you have to care for them, at least to an extent. Fuck that shit. Malthus is where its at for them. Wage slaves are where it's at.
So when you post all this conspiracy theory garbage, you dilute the real accusation! You discredit intelligent, educated people that have a legitimate case to make against the economic elite! Can you not see that because doing so would begin with admitting your own ignorance?
The people you listen to are right wing nut jobs.
The problem is when the police and national guard get carried away and jump the gun, and start beating up protesters who are not rioting. It is some what common for them to just say people are rioting then start shooting at them at stuff.
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Originally Posted by Alric
The thing about that type of "evidence" is that it doesn't show the full context of the situation. In both videos it only shows the protesters being carried away with people yelling profane language and telling the police to release their captured comrade. It does not show anything before such that would allude to the reason as to their arrest. You can only draw conclusions from the sad-faced detainee and frightened protesters. This is extremely biased. Maybe you're right, but we do not have enough information to draw a conclusion either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
I would advise any would-be protesters out there to film the entire protest. So if anything goes wrong you can upload the video in-context.
Are you in the UK..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Catbus
That's the London G20 summit I mentioned, that guy was major news for a while because he died a few minutes later of a heart attack, and he wasn't even part of the protests.
Obviously that's a single case of police brutality though and not part of some bizarre NWO conspiracy. There were thousands of protesters that day and no other problems so overall it was a success really. The cop was identified and prosecuted.
There is no NWO conspiracy. There are however a large number of people in government who support it, and have announced that they supported it and its a common goal of government.
I support an NWO. I just don't support the one where the billionaires control it. It needs to be democratic. I'm all about getting rid of the idea of countries and it seems to be inevitable. Nationalism is as dangerous as religion IMO.
oh god, its xei again with his moral authority to tell us all we don't have the right to be pissed off at the criminal corrupt government.
You "support" an NWO? You don't think there is a conspiracy??? wow...
I already provided proof of your own government bringing drugs into the country, that everyone chooses to ignore.
And when is it allowed that the president can send troops overseas without a declaration of war from congress.
article 1 section 8 of the constitution says only congress can declare war.
The constitution is being used for toilet paper right now. Your government is corrupt and does not care for you or me. Ignorance is bliss for those who think it is.
Oh yea and guess what, pandemic response bill 2028 has been passed in Massachusetts, so they now have the right to forcefully enter your home, and give you a vaccination, if you refuse you will be taken to a quarantine/FEMA detainment camp or jail.
http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/sena...02/st02028.htm
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An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health, as determined by the commissioner, or a local public health authority operating within its jurisdiction.
And like I said, 1st amendment out the window. These "college student's" were NOT rioting just observing on their COLLEGE CAMPUS and were tear gassed.Quote:
Section 14
480 (d) An officer authorized to serve criminal process may arrest without a warrant any person
481 whom the officer has probable cause to believe has violated an order for isolation or quarantine
482 and shall use reasonable diligence to enforce such order.
483 (e) Any person who knowingly violates an order for isolation or quarantine shall be punished by
484 imprisonment for not more than 30 days and may be subject to a civil fine of not more than one
485 thousand dollars per day that the violation continues.
bet you they won't show "this" on CNN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NSsj4a6v5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etv8YEqaWgA
http://california-christian-news.com...ag_burning.gif
I do support an NWO. What's an NWO? Think about that.
I don't deny for a second that my government is corrupt as fuck. I'll put it this way: I know first hand what pepper spray smells like. Do you?
The NWO is probably the worst thing that could ever happen. Any form of NWO would be a nightmare. Huge massive governments stretching across the entire world, wasting billions of dollars and taxing the population into poverty.
I think that you have a slanted view of government and probably listen to too much right wing radio.
The problem with everything being relegated to private industry is that companies don't evolve for the good of people, they evolve for the good of the share holders. Any good to the people is a secondary effect.
Healthcare is a perfect example. Am I really supposed to believe that government couldn't do it better when they don't have to pay people multi-million dollar salaries? There is a reason that every developed nation in the world has some form of thoroughly socialized medicine other than the US, you know?
Whats necessary for government to be good is an educated populace that will hold them accountable.
An NWO is, imo, the inevitable future of the world. It's called "the transition from a type 0 civilization to a type 1 civilization". It's gonna happen or we're gonna die.
The government is nearly always worse than the private equivalent. Everything the government does is full of bureaucracy and waste. All you have to do is look at all large government sectors. Social security, medicare, welfare, the education system. They are all failures and wastes billions of dollars, on inefficient systems.
When both the VA, and medicare sucks, its hard to believe a person can actually make the claim the government can do better at health care than private companies and keep a straight face. Since its been proven already, that the two major health care services they already do, is wasteful and inefficient.
Companies have to be efficient and provide good services if they want to make money. The government has no need to provide either, as even if they suck they still get their share of the national budget each year.
Please quote where I said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by guerilla
By making the above post you have agreed that failure to produce such a quote will result in yourself being branded a dick.
And what if everything was privately run?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
This is truth. If we don't transition to a type 1 civilization, we don't have much of a chance to get off this planet. And if we don't get off this planet, we're all dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned
Check that out, crazy....
What the hells the world turning into?
thats what i was talking about..Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Most of the protesters were peaceful, the 'anarchists' you saw were a small minority of the protesters, anarchists are usually young punks who do hardcore drugs and are pretty much braindead.
How convenient of the media to focus in on the anarchist protesters and not the peaceful ones who did not wear masks or bandannas because they were doing no public destruction of any property.
Only the little punks and thugs did that, immature little anarchist brats who think they can fix the world without government altogether... while breaking windows and public property.....good luck with that, we need real capitalism..not this fake ass capitalism we've had for years since the bretton woods agreement in the 1970's headed by nixon.
These anarchists im glad are being arrested, they give the rest of the freedom protest movement a bad rep.... and plus how do you intend to fix a country when you go around breaking the very community you live in?
Cmon ppl wake up, the majority of protesters are peaceful.
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Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned
Why does this always have to be a left wing right wing issue?
Both parties are bought, think of it like this:
The democrats are the Gambino mafia
And the republicans are the ghotti mafia
both are bad, there is no right or left, there is only and up to prosperity, and a down to a tyranny.
I'm for UP, not down.
Having a one world government would be an utter failure and disaster.
Who remembers this quote?
"Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts Absolutely"
Imagine, a federal government of earth, just think of the rampant corruption, we already have corruption, do you want to see more corruption?
I'm all for a type 1 world, but humanity just isn't ready for that today, tomorrow, or next decade
a type 1 or type 2 civilization is nearly impossible currently and in the future.
Be real guys, you really think the world will peacefully unite and explore space and colonize peacefully and NOT fight over planets?
Every damned continent would want its own piece of land out there in the universe, going to war over planets, I just can't picture humanity ever getting past our petty small differences.
We are too violent, we are too brutal, we aren't to be trusted (humans)
good luck making the world one system one peaceful planet.
Dont forget to check out that other vid i posted above and this 1 right here...
Crazy stuff indeed
These are college students ON CAMPUS sitting around minding their own business.
LOL! Dude, do the patriot movement a favor and stop spreading baseless theories about Alex Jones being a Jesuit, or a Jew, or a Nazi Lizard alien, or any of those other quack job COINTELPRO divide and conquer tactics. You're a smart dude, based on your posts, but don't accept that crap. I dont care if Alex Jones is a Siberian tribalist animist, he's still one of the greatestQuote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
Americans alive today.
Also, I'll bet anything that those "anarchists" are provocateur agents just like the ones in Canada a few years ago. Even if they are real communists/anarchists, don't those retards know that the scumbags inside the building that they are picketing aren't capitalists? Every single one of those tyrants hates true free market capitalism, and that can be seen through their governmental policies.
Also, to the "liberals" (neoliberals, not true liberals like Jefferson or Locke or Franklin or Burke, etc), how's your new leader doing on the War issue? From what i can see, he's sounding a heck of a lot like his predecessor. http://content.usatoday.com/communit.../09/68499808/1
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President Obama opened G-20 summit day with a bang this morning, condemning Iran for hiding the existence of a secret nuclear facility and demanding that it be opened to international inspections.
"The size and configuration of this facility is inconsistent with a peaceful (nuclear) program," Obama said, and further raises concerns that Iran is seeking a nuclear weapon.
"Iran is breaking rules that all nations must follow, endangering the global nonproliferation regime," Obama said. "denying its own people access to the opportunity they deserve, and threatening the stability and security of the region and the world."
Obama made the announcement along with Great Britain Prime Minister Gordon Brown and French President Nicolas Sarkozy. All three of their countries are permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, which may consider stronger sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program.
The prospect of stronger sanctions may depend on the Security Council's other two permanent members, Russia and China.
Brown said news of Iran's covert nuclear facility should "shock and anger" the world. He added that, "confronted by the serial deception of many years, the international community has no choice today but to draw a line in the sand."
The Associated Press reported that, shortly before Obama spoke, Iran notified the International Atomic Energy Agency about the facility's existence.
Nazi lizard alien lol
I'm not arguing for NWO or any shit like that, it was just an example as to how police can on occasions over use their authority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
The patriot act doesn't nullify posse comitatus. It severely loosened the restrictions on when martial law can be initiated, but martial law was not in effect in pittsburgh, and so the national guard doing policing action there is very very illegal. Even the news thinks nothing of it though, so laws are essentially meaningless in this country as they apply to the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hercuflea
Xei, I don't know about in the U.K., but in this country the military is not supposed to be used against its own citizens except in extremely dire situations and there are provisions for those in the insurrection act of 1807. The fact that the media and our government is so nonchalant about this blatant violation of U.S. law shows that they have lost all pretext of respect for the common citizens.
I think you'll find riot police are used to protect citizens, not 'against citizens'.
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Ding ding ding we have a winner.
Thats absolutely right, the media spins off military doing police work as a good thing, when its highly illegal and treasonous.
Xei, were the riot cops who beat up random people on a college campus who were NOT IN A PROTEST, protecting citizens?
Protect them from what, living?