Thread: Free speech vs hate speech

Free speech vs hate speech?

Hmm...umm...ahhh...

My thoughts on this is that actions speak louder than words. Hate speech is only possible through free speech. The only way to suppress hate speech is through the suppression of free speech.

People that don't mind getting rid of free speech are either mimes or highly selfish.

People don't realize that their rights end at the the rights of others. Defenders of totally free speech just want to overstep that line and disrespect the rights of others - the rights of not being socially ostracised and hated, the rights of not having hateful prejudice against them publicly advocated.

Anyone who says that her speech is within her rights is just a hater himself.

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I've had a problem with the government power that comes with socialism ever since I learned what socialism is.

I don't wanna go in an argument with you about this. I just want you to answer me one question. Straight and quick:

Have you ever wondered about the possibility that you may have been taught wrong?

For the sake of diplomacy I will also answer my own question: Yes, I have, upon every new thing I've learned.

If people have such contrasting and vehement opinions, it must be a really important subject. That's why I have in mind I must really make enough effort and take the right opinion, since it is so important.

Has anyone been charged with a hate crime yet?

Also, I wonder if it can be applied to people against illegal immigration.

Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis

Has anyone been charged with a hate crime yet?

Also, I wonder if it can be applied to people against illegal immigration.

Yes, they have.

Also, it depends on the country. Many countries, (and much probably the USA too) have in their legal protocols that illegal immigrants have little or no rights at all.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Yes, they have.

Also, it depends on the country. Many countries, (and much probably the USA too) have in their legal protocols that illegal immigrants have little or no rights at all.

Illegal immigrants not having rights doesn't matter. They don't have to press charges against someone for the court system to actively pursue putting someone on trial for a hate crime.

According to the Canadian definition of a hate crime, your actions must be directed towards an "identifiable group". "Illegal immigrants" in general don't constitute an identifiable group.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

According to the Canadian definition of a hate crime, your actions must be directed towards an "identifiable group". "Illegal immigrants" in general don't constitute an identifiable group.

Yes they do. But Canada is very open about immigration and different cultures, you know.

I know South Park is probably not the favorite among DV members, but I suggest watching the episode "Cartman's Silly Hate Crime". The episode's explanation could shed some light to some people. Just a thought....

I hate crackers

Thank Carlin.

I can see where you're coming from, tommo and stonedape, and maybe I was making too much of a blanket statement, insofar as your usage of the term in the discussion about using it was relevant and non-offensive. tommo's original usage, however, remains gratuitous, detracting from his point for the reasons I've already stated, and while I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that it was simply poor construction, his statement as written is racist in and of itself:

Originally Posted by tommo

You're missing the point UM. Hate isn't illegal. The emotion isn't illegal. They can't read your thoughts. It is illegal if you post a video on youtube saying "all nigger should die" and then go out and shoot a nigger.

His second use is the author, tommo, not the hypothetical youtuber, using a racial epithet to refer to the hypothetical victim. Sure, he probably, kinda meant, like, it would be the youtuber thinking it, but he also probably, kinda saw an opportunity to use the word for the sake of using it, because he doesn't get to in ordinary life, which is so way more unjust than the history of violence and oppression packed in that word.

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