Is Wild An Obe Or An Ld?

[mini0991]

I'm still a bit confused about OBEs. Is WILD just astral projection or does it take you to a lucid dream? I'm just confused because I've read of some people saying it's astral projection, even if the environment you end up in is slightly different from the one you fell asleep in. This really doesn't make sense to me though, because if it was really astral projection, you'd end up in the exact same environment with everything being the same. I'm kind of scared to do astral projection because I've read some people get trapped in spriritual realms or they get 'stuck' outside their body...but I know LDing is harmless. I believe in the soul, but am skeptical of astral projection. Is there any evidence in support of OBEs like there is with LDs? edit: this would be better in 'beyond dreaming', please move.

[Flounder]

From what I understand, Astral Projection and WILD's are different things. I haven't achieved either, so I'm probably not the best person to talk about this. I've heard though, that when you have an astral projection, you bring your full waking conciousness into the dream. That is, you think exactly like you do in the normal physical world, you have all your memories, and your senses are very vivid. Since I haven't experienced either of these, I can't compare them...it's just what I've heard. Apparently, there isn't really anything to fear with Astral Projections. Getting over your fears of "not being able to come out" of an OBE is "one of the hardest parts" of having one. You shouldn't worry about being stuck or anything, because if you want to come back, you just open your eyes. Hope that helped

[MindDaguerreotype]

I don't believe in OBEs... or more precisely, I no more believe in them since I had WILDs. How do I conclude this ? My personnal stats as of today are: 22 false awakenings (that is, dreaming that I juste awoke from a dream, in my bed ) that I have converted in Lucid dreams (because I do a RC every time I wake up); and 15 WILDs, where I feel my body "detaching and moving randomly" then falling out of the bed, then I can see and I am in my bedroom (strangely, I never had a WILD as described in the tutorials, with hypnagogic imagery, leading to a random dream place... it's always this OBE-like process, in my bedroom). FAs are quite clearly "just dreams", with a particular setting, and the usual errors of dreams: furnitures are not always at the right place, or not there at all, or did not exist in the real world; my WILDs have the same setting - with the same errors. And when exiting my bedroom to explore the dreamscape, the differences get bigger. I don't see a reason why imagery in a DILD or FA would be "a dream", while the same imagery in a WILD would be "the astral plane". And I don't know the complicated laws of physics of the astral plane that would create "quite the same bedroom as the physical world one, but with the bed on the wrong corner", and even less how those errors would be different each time. WILD is just a technique to go directly to the dream state, while staying aware all along, instead of hoping that awareness will be back randomly in the middle of a dream, like in DILD. As a result you're also aware of the strange physiological effects (feelings of body separation, "vibrations") that occur in the sleep transition phase, which can easily impress someone to think it's some powerful thing above our physical world.. My personnal big experiment to do next time I have a long enough LD is : to create a "Near death experience" (you know, with the tunnel, the light, the "heaven"...) which I suspect has the same explanation

[NeAvO]

An OBE is when you have an Out of Body Experience. It's believed to be when your soul/spirit/energy leaves the body enabling you to fly or go anywhere etcetera. Where as a WILD is when you go straight from consciousness into a lucid dream.

[LucidFlanders]

My personnal big experiment to do next time I have a long enough LD is : to create a "Near death experience" (you know, with the tunnel, the light, the "heaven"...) which I suspect has the same explanation[/b] NDE are the brain, proven science fact.

[NeAvO]

NDE are the brain, proven science fact. [/b] Not necesessarily "proven". There's logic behind it but I don't think it's concrete evidence there.

[MrGrEmLiN]

Techniques to astrally project are very simillar to a WILD, but in astral projection you have to do something to get out of your body at some point while if you just go with it, you'll end up in a lucid dream. That's the big difference. I've been in some weird places while WILDing but now I'm pretty sure I was just beginning to dream.

[FreeOne]

WILDing will get you to a dream. I WILDed once, and i didnt end up in a place anywhere NEAR simialar to the real world. I dont believe in OBEs

["tomeeka"]

I've been standing there looking at my body laying on the bed from the "OBEs" I have had. There is always something different about me or the room from what it actually is in reality. That's why I find it hard to believe in OBEs. I just consider them to be another lucid dream. I'm not gonna say that it's impossible, I just haven't had anything or anyone to make me believe different yet. As far as geting "stuck", no. I personally have never gotten stuck. Normally I just wind up losing lucidity and the dreaming stops all together.

[LucidFlanders]

Not necesessarily "proven". There's logic behind it but I don't think it's concrete evidence there.[/b] Well sorta. I mean what people think 1 day and prove is completly wrong in say 5 years or 10 years later.