Thread: Out of Body Experience - Experiment

REM Dreamer, Binural Doses, and I guess I'll mention Subliminal messages, it's not like this is a new idea. I am intrested on how their approaching this,however, It's not a new idea just thought I should clear that up.

Originally Posted by LucidInvader

REM Dreamer, Binural Doses, and I guess I'll mention Subliminal messages, it's not like this is a new idea. I am intrested on how their approaching this,however, It's not a new idea just thought I should clear that up.

I guess I forgot to mention that the device they have described to me is smaller than an iPhone and expands beyond lucid dreams. Out of Body experiences and small doses of Oxytocin, the substance responsible for the feeling of love, trust, and (social and sexual) satisfaction.

i'm totally interested in this one changetheworld, please keep us posted. hope they are doing it some where in my area

Why do you say OBE and not lucid dream? They are conceptually, and evidently different ( given one is 'fictional' and the other is 'non-fictional').

Originally Posted by Quark

Why do you say OBE and not lucid dream? They are conceptually, and evidently different ( given one is 'fictional' and the other is 'non-fictional').

I am sorry, but I do not understand your question. You are asking me why I speak of OBEs and lucid dreaming as two different things, yet you admit yourself that they are different? Please explain your question. I apologize, I am not a native english speaker, therefore my english is not the best.

Oh, it's just that you said at one point the device could enable one to have OBEs, and then you said, separately, that it would enable one to have lucid dreams. Just wondered if you were implying they are the same to you. Do you believe in OBEs?

Scientists have proven it's pretty simple to make people "think" they are having an OBE through dissociative drugs like ketamine. If you've ever smoked salvia, for example, it's basically an OOBE. But of course that is due to drugs, not an actual event of your "soul" leaving your body. I seem to remember reading about eletrical stimulation to the brain having a similiar effect too, but I can't find the article.

But as for an actual OOBE...not so much. And I'm skeptical any time someone premiers one of these devices. "Look! It's like an iPod but it puts you into Lucid Dream and OOBE!" "Oh yeah? How does it work?" "Um...vibrations!" <_< >_>

Originally Posted by Velzhaed

Scientists have proven it's pretty simple to make people "think" they are having an OBE through dissociative drugs like ketamine. If you've ever smoked salvia, for example, it's basically an OOBE. But of course that is due to drugs, not an actual event of your "soul" leaving your body. I seem to remember reading about eletrical stimulation to the brain having a similiar effect too, but I can't find the article.

But as for an actual OOBE...not so much. And I'm skeptical any time someone premiers one of these devices. "Look! It's like an iPod but it puts you into Lucid Dream and OOBE!" "Oh yeah? How does it work?" "Um...vibrations!" <_< >_>

Indeed. And it is seemingly simple to prove the real existence of OBEs:

1. Find someone who claims to be competent in achieving OBEs.
2. Blindfold them.
3. Transport them to a location unknown to them.
4. Have them initiate an OBE at this location whilst under observation.
5. Return them to their original location.
6. Have them describe the environment where they initiated this OBE.
7. Verify the validity of their OBE.

Done. Well, at least when regarding 'etheric projections'. Astral projection...well.... ^_^

Originally Posted by Quark

Oh, it's just that you said at one point the device could enable one to have OBEs, and then you said, separately, that it would enable one to have lucid dreams. Just wondered if you were implying they are the same to you. Do you believe in OBEs?

Oh. No, of course they are not the same. I believe that OBEs are some kind of illusion your brain creates. As for the idea of your soul leaving your body and the like, I do not believe that.

Scientists have proven it's pretty simple to make people "think" they are having an OBE through dissociative drugs like ketamine.

I think I finally understand the issue here. This is a simple misunderstanding. When I said OBE, I meant the illusion of your consciousness being seperated from your body, not any spiritual events.
The device was descibed to me as, and I will try to quote the researcher as accurately as possible:

"[...] a device about half the size of your little fingers nail, inserted into your brain with surgery. It stimulates the brain in certain ways and can be controlled using a remote control slightly smaller than a womans hand. You press a button, and oxytocin is released. [...] You can use it to have extremely vivid and even controlled dreams, or [...] Out-Of-Body Experiences and other supposedly religious or spiritual sensations can be simulated [...] That is what we are hoping to achieve within the next few years. [...]"

My english may not be perfect, but from I understood (and I understood it all quite well, thanks to the professors brilliant explanations), this should be exactly what the majority of the people on here desire. Honestly, the only thing that would make me hesitate is most likely the surgery and its price.

Indeed. And it is seemingly simple to prove the real existence of OBEs:

1. Find someone who claims to be competent in achieving OBEs.
2. Blindfold them.
3. Transport them to a location unknown to them.
4. Have them initiate an OBE at this location whilst under observation.
5. Return them to their original location.
6. Have them describe the environment where they initiated this OBE.
7. Verify the validity of their OBE.

That will not work, because the OBEs I believe in are but illusions the brain creates based upon the visual data it has received and basic perception skills. To put it simple, the cerebrum, specially the occipital lobe, takes the last (visually) perceived location and creates an image of what the area might look like from another angle.

That will not work, because the OBEs I believe in are but illusions the brain creates based upon the visual data it has received and basic perception skills. To put it simple, the cerebrum, specially the occipital lobe, takes the last (visually) perceived location and creates an image of what the area might look like from another angle.

That is precisely why the experiment would work. I am on the same side as you btw.

If OBEs were real, then in the simple experiment I posted above, the person would be able to describe the location he is in. Given that he has NEVER seen this location in waking life, then 'the last (visually) perceived location' would be irrelevant, and if used would result in an absolutely wrong description of the environment. However, if the person could accurately describe the environment he has NEVER seen in waking life, then where is he receiving this information from?

I think that a big part of LDs is that you don't get them every night (at least most of us don't). Lucid dreaming all night long would really take the fun out of it, at least if the lucids are accomplished by a chip installed in the brain. If you get LDs every night after years of practicing might be a little different, because you really have accomplished it and deserve it. Also, I would not go to get my brain poked just to get LDs, which I get often enough.

Originally Posted by Recidul

I think that a big part of LDs is that you don't get them every night (at least most of us don't). Lucid dreaming all night long would really take the fun out of it, at least if the lucids are accomplished by a chip installed in the brain. If you get LDs every night after years of practicing might be a little different, because you really have accomplished it and deserve it. Also, I would not go to get my brain poked just to get LDs, which I get often enough.

Dreams are a world of endless possibilites and If it has a controller you don't have to use it every night anyways. I don't think I could ever be really bored.
I believe you guys are wrong about OBE's there certainly real, and they have proven it. They recorded somebody saying they had an obe, that they remembered and they asked them to describe to them what they saw. They then watched the video and it was identical to the way he described.

Originally Posted by Quark

That is precisely why the experiment would work. I am on the same side as you btw.

If OBEs were real, then in the simple experiment I posted above, the person would be able to describe the location he is in. Given that he has NEVER seen this location in waking life, then 'the last (visually) perceived location' would be irrelevant, and if used would result in an absolutely wrong description of the environment. However, if the person could accurately describe the environment he has NEVER seen in waking life, then where is he receiving this information from?

When I said "that will not work", I meant that the person having the OBE will not be able to see the unknown environment. Once again I must apologize, the fact that I am not a native english tends to get in my way when conversing with other people.

Anyways, what you are saying is correct.

Originally Posted by ChangeTheWorld

When I said "that will not work", I meant that the person having the OBE will not be able to see the unknown environment. Once again I must apologize, the fact that I am not a native english tends to get in my way when conversing with other people.

Anyways, what you are saying is correct.

Ah, my fault too for not carefully considering your reply.