I tried to take a nap and tried the position of going to sleep on my side, then turning on my back and putting my hands up. It's called the stop drop and roll sleep command.Quote:
Originally Posted by atkins513
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I tried to take a nap and tried the position of going to sleep on my side, then turning on my back and putting my hands up. It's called the stop drop and roll sleep command.Quote:
Originally Posted by atkins513
Nightmares generally lead to a lucid for me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hukif
My audio recorder has arrived from Japan so I am going to record my sleep breathing pattern. It didn't come with a micro usb lead so I can't look at an audio analysis but I will make do.
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Originally Posted by mcwillis
This is something I have wanted to do but have not done yet, but I have noticed when attempting sleep breathing that I did black out many times and remember nothing but dreaming then waking up lol... this could be something very useful for the arsenal once perfected.
Nick especially likes this technique, he says it induces complete sleep paralysis better than anything else and very quickly. He says it is hard to pull of as you have to get the nuances of the breath exactly spot on.
From what you have written you have done it back to front. Is that how you did it? If so then that would probably be why it didn't work. Remember it is just a method to induce relaxation quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by luffy28
I thought that it was for lucid dreaming.
It is, by the WILD method. Being able to relax beforehand is helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by luffy28
From post 43
About middle of post:
***Then, for a second, I was a ecstatic flamingo. I was running on water with my mate.
Ok
To the point.***
I was a flamingo but I was doing what these two birds are doing near the end of this YouTube:
A spectacular display of the courtship ritual by Clark's Grebe in Oregon, US. Shown on the BBC documentary Life narrated by Sir David Attenborough. All rights belong to the BBC.
YouTube - Life - Clark's Grebe: The Courtship Dance - BBC One
(2:54) 108,547 views
Transcript:
David Attenborough say’s
When birds come together to breed and before they commit to one another they will often perform the most remarkable displays. One of the most enchanting happens here on the lakes of Orangan.
Clark’s Grebe’s mate for life.
But, the female must test her partener’s continuing commitment and she does this by inviting her to join her in a ritualised dance.
To strengthen their bond he offers her a gift.
Now, with eyes only for one another the faithful pair reach the climax of their dance (at 2:01 of this YouTube they do what I did in my hipnagog when I was a flamingo).
From post 43
About middle of post:
***Then, for a second, I was a ecstatic flamingo. I was running on water with my mate.
Ok
To the point.***
There is great depth and scope in Nickolas Newport’s work.
Debra, Pretty Please try to stay mostly on topic... You write a huge post off topic, then the last 2 sentences say something about the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by debrajane
Try to stick with us :)
Debra, which methods of Lucidology have you used personally or experienced?
Atkins513
Thanx
I got 101 in two down-loads long before it was put on YouTube. So I am now searching my (original) 17 minute and 37 minute down loads. Then I will find where it is on the YouTubes so others can find it too.
Although I tried and tried from the age of 10 I only got one true (Lobsang Rampa type) Out of Body Experience so far in my life. I was 35 when it final happened and back then I hoped it was a breakthrough and I would start, finally, having lots.
But it was a one-off.
I read lots, in my day, but when I watched one of the downloads, when they first came out, I got excited cos what happened, 16 years ago, started with me "casually" and instinctively" doing, "The Cork-Screw" exit.
I never heard or read about it before but I told, those who listen, 16 years ago, about my real OBE that started (for me) in an embarrassing way.
I'll be back when I got my shit together.
O My God, O My God, O My God.
I Found It, I Found It, I Found it.
I have been carefully watching my old, original downloads and feeling increasingly disappointed that it might be a 102 thing and not a 101 thing.
But here it is:
Starts at (14.05) of my 37.14 minute original 101 download.
It reads:
The second trick to convert paralysis to a lucid dream is to use a safety-cap exit method.
You use the feeling of a force to press dream body down and then twist it so you can tell your physical body from your dream body.
(...)
We can use this to complete the separation process, (...)
(...)
However, it can still be hard to tell which is your dream body and which is your physical body. To address this create the feeling of a force that slowly turns you around on an axis and passes through your belly button so your head rotates to where your feet are and vise-versa.
Once you've rotated around180 degrees it's very easy to tell which is you physical body and which is your dream body.
Later he says:
For some reason certain lucid dream environments are more restrictive than others which makes walking through walls impossible. But even if you find certain things are impossible there are always other things you can try.
For instance, if you open a door to go outside you may find that things shift to a completely different world so that might be a good place to start exploring.
Ok guys, it is past midnight here and I wanna sleep. I'll tell you how my one and only OBE started, 16 years ago, tomorrow.
It was hot and I laydown, naked, on my mattress, on the floor. Then I opened my eyes and did something peculiar. I thought it was peculiar while I was doing it but kept doing it anyway.
I put left leg out from the mattress onto to floor then pulled my right leg and body over to my left leg. I kept doing this till I had done a 180. I ended up with my head where my feet had been.
I thought to my self, "opening and closing my legs like this is rude, I'm glad no one can see me or I would feel embarrassed".
When I had clumsily, swizeled my self around I rolled onto my elbow and was putting a tape into my old tape recorder to listen to some music. Then a new, silver, taperecorder was sliding across the floor towards me.
I looked at it and said out loud,
"That's impossible, I'm dreaming"
And so began my first ever OBE.
So now you guys know why I am so taken with Nick Newport's work.
It ain't no good you spouting about it all being, .... what ever you call it ...
I instinctively did the safety-cap exit and later went through a door and ended up in a real place in England. Then my doppleganger danced into me and I was back in a real place here in Australia, close to where my sleeping body was.
Later still I made up my mind to walk down real streets to get back into my real, sleeping body.
Unfortunately that didn't happen cos two doggies came bounding out of a yard to bite me and I woke up before I got home.
That was 16 years ago.
Thats a pretty incredible thing that happened to you... The method you used is very peculiar lol.. I wouldn't count on it working again considering sleep paralysis is only supposed to occur after remaining completely an absolutely motionless until the body has fallen asleep. Have you tried any of the orthodox and up to date methods of inducing Lucid Dreaming/OBE?
I think she is describing the trick he says of going to sleep in the opposite direction in bed than normal when attempting a WILD or OBE. I don't think she is describing her gymnastics as such, but I may be wrong.
Just woke up, It's 7:40 am here, Atkins.
Thanx for replying
I want to practice Nick's methods but don't (hardly).
What's a dream giude?
umm thats a much longer topic. search the forums for dreamguide, its off topic for this post. You can watch the videos at the top to learn his methods. they are all posted.
U R tooo strict about staying "on-topic" Atkins.
I just remembered about the induction method I used 16 years ago that triggered that incredible OBE.
In my mind I was watching a big black rat running up a black pole, sliding half way down then running to the top again. He, the rat, did this over and over and over. When I breathed-in he went up. When I breathed-out he slid (in a spiral motion), down.
Well the reason I am "strict" haha, about staying on topic is because we need to stick with this discussion as it was posted for the methods of Lucidology. I can explain things like dream guides until I am blue in the face but there are entire topics that explain these in great detail. The topic of this post and the reason for it is discussing lucidology and the effectiveness of the methods.
Black cat running up and sliding down a pole huh? That sounds like a V-Wild to me. Vild, or Visualization induced lucid dream, and it is one of the techniques allowed to be discussed here :)
The origin if that "rat and pole" visualization was a story.
A guy finds a technique (or something) to conjure-up a Genie (or something). The Genie is real polite and gracious and says, "your wish is my command".
The conjurer is delighted and gives his Genie a task.
The next morning and every morning the genie appears demanding to be given a task.
The frazzled conjurer runs out of desires and tries to give the Genie tasks that will get rid of the Genie or at least keep the Genie busy for longer than a day. But every sunrise the genie is there saying, "gimme sumut to do master".
In despair the conjurer seeks a Buddha, (or someone) and begs him to unconjure the Genie. The Buddha explains that, that is impossible.
The Buddha explains that the Genie must be given tasks eternally.
The conjurer goes away and tries harder to satisfy the Genie's endless addiction to tasks. But he is soon back at the feet of the master, surrendered, and begging for a way to get peace from the eternally demanding Genie.
The Buddha tells him the "secret".
He says, "tell the Genie to build a high pole. Then tell the Genie to climb to the top of the pole. Then tell him to slide half way down the pole.and to do that task till you call for him.
The conjurer followed those instruction and the Genie and the conjurer lived happily ever after.
Atkins
It was/~is 11pm 25 Jan 2011 here now and I just visited each YouTube bid on Nick's YouTube site. View stats are as follows:
2=92;346
3=67,845
5=39,651
6=97,589
7=38,315
8=23,400
9=14,469
10=32,618
12=51,980
I did this so U & I can seen how many folk view these vids in 24 hours then a week then a month. I did this with just one vid months ago and it went up more than 250 in less than 24 hours. Many YouTube folk (LIKE ME) know how to pirate Any YouTube they want so those views are by folk who don't know how to pirate.
Nick don't need DreamViews approval, he is doing swimmingly without it (hehehehahaha).
He has to be as this thread has been threatened with destruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by debrajane
Atkins
It was/~is 11pm 25 Jan 2011 here now and I just visited each YouTube bid on Nick's YouTube site. View stats are as follows:
It is less than 12 hours later and this is how much the views of each vid has increased. Part 6 and part 7 got over 300 views in less than 12 hours.
2=92;346 +12hrs(+114)
3=67,845 +12(+81)
5=39,651 +12(+47)
6=97,589 +12(+337)
7=38,315 +12(+374)
8=23,400 +12(32)
9=14,469 +12(11)
10=32,618 +12(38)
12=51,980 +12(57)
I did this so U & I can seen how many folk view these vids in 24 hours then a week then a month.
1 Hi Dream Viewer’s
This is the transcript of number 7 on the list (without the car salesman stuff). I picked number 7 to transcribe cos it has got the most views since yesterday 11am (my time).
2=92;346 +12hrs(+114)
3=67,845 +12(+81)
5=39,651 +12(+47)
6=97,589 +12(+337)
7=38,315 +12hrs (+374)
8=23,400 +12(32)
9=14,469 +12(11)
10=32,618 +12(38)
12=51,980 +12(57)
Lucid Dream Timer Method: (Number 7) (sorry it is not 7 it is 2 “Sleep Paralysis”)
Fastest Way To Have Lots Of OBEs & Lucid Dreams –
Lucidology 101
(9:55) 92,465 views now
uploaded 11-April-2009
Nicholas Newport says:
(0:08)
Hi this is Nicholas Newport and welcome to Lucidology 101: How To Trick Your Body into Falling Asleep to quickly start have lots of OBE’s and Lucid dreams without using any Visualizations.
If your new to OBE’s and Lucid dreams and your wondering, “Where so you get started?”
The best starting point is Waking Sleep Paralysis.
With Waking Sleep Paralysis you can access your subconscious without having to use any Visualizations at all. And that cuts down on your learning curve, big time. This is why Waking Sleep Paralysis is really *the holy grail for new OBEers and that’s what we are going to cover in part 2.
{oh, Bum! I begun transcribing the wrong one. Oh well, I’m all ready into it so I will complete it then do the one most people on YouTube are viewing, part 7}
{this is part 2 with 92;346 total views since April 2009 and 114 new view since yesterday}
{2=92;346 +12hrs(+114)}
(0:43)
So the question is, “What is Sleep Paralysis?” and “How can you Use it?”
Sleep Paralysis it a protection mechanism that your body uses when you fall asleep. If you were to dream you were doing something very active such as running and you weren’t in sleep paralysis, then you would move your limbs when you were asleep and you would wake yourself up. To prevent that from happening your body disconnects your voluntary muscle system from from your mind so you can dream all you like without waking yourself up.
Normally, you are not aware of this happening because by the time your body shuts itself down in sleep paralysis your mind is already asleep and unaware of whats happening. In other words you enter into a state of body awake mind asleep before entering body asleep, mind asleep.
The whole trick to Lucid Dreaming is to enter a subconscious focus without losing awareness.
This is how sleep paralysis does this for you.
When you’re awake your brain is in what’s called a beta state (1:33 complicated bit I don’t want to transcribe)
(2:28)
So how do you do that?
The way you’ll useually become aware of sleep paralysis is that you’ll wake up in it and find that you cannot move or make a sound. Sleep Paralysis often feels like there is a heavy lead blanket on you. It is not that there is anything on you or that your muscles have become weaker. The feeling is because your brain has to send a stronger nerve signal than normal to get the same muscle movement. That makes it feel that you’re having to overcome some kind of resistance when you move.
This feeling, also, usually makes it feel like it’s harder to breathe but it’s actually a natural sleep process.
Sleep Paralysis happens every single time you fall asleep.
(3:03)
You may be wondering if sleep paralysis is dangerous and if there is a way to break-free.
Sleep paralysis is not dangerous because it is something that your body does every night. Pluss here is a secret safty release trick that you can use to free yourself from paralysis so you always have a back-up plan. The only way your body knows if your mind is awake is if you move. This is a problem when you are in 100% sleep paralysis which is preventing you from moving.
Luckily, paralysis is limited to your voluntary muscle sysmtem like your arms and legs. Your breathing is semi involuntary so you still have control over it even in deep paralysis. If you enter sleep paralysis and decide you want to break free and wake-up, simply change your breathing pattern to something other than the sleep breathing pattern your body is already in.
The most effective way I have found to do this is to begin to breath slowly and deeply. After about ten to fifteen seconds your body will notice the change and bring you out of sleep paralysis. Not everything is 100% reliable in lucid dreaming, but this, has worked for me every single time.
(4:00)
A very few people have reported that they woke-up in sleep paralysis and noticed that they weren’t breathing at all. The problem here is not paralysis itself but that they had an existing healthe condition called “Sleep Apnea”. Sleep Apnea basically means that you stop breathing when your asleep, so this is one of the side benefits of using sleep paralysis to have OBE’s. You’ll find out whether or not you have sleep apnea.
Keep in mind that there is a big difference between the normal heavy lead blanket feeling that comes with sleep paralysis verses not breathing at all. If you find you stop breathing entirely then you may have sleep apnea and should see a doctor about it. If you only feel the heavyness sensation then everything is normal.
So far we’ve talked about the case where you some how manage to wake-up in sleep paralysis. However, that is basically an uncontrolled and accidental process. The question is, “What can You do to make it happen more consistantly?” The idea is to flip the sleep order around so that instead of entering Body Awake, Mind Asleep, you enter Mind Awake, Body Asleep. When this happens you’re actually aware of the process your body goes through when it falls asleep.
This is our main secret trick for doing Visualization Free lucid dreams and OBE’s.
This transition is the most important skill to learn in this part of the course.
(5:18)
Why? Because when you can put your body to sleep without losing consciousness at any point, you have 100% perfectly clear dream recall. This is called a Wake Induced Lucid Dream or (WILD). It is as easy to remember what you did in a WILD as it is to remember the last fifteen or so of waking awareness.
With this method you don’t have to think back through the hazy dream phase like you normally do with dreams. So what does it actually feel like to what your body fall asleep? Instead of waking up in sleep paralysis with the heavy lead blanket feeling, when you induce paralysis consciously you actually have the sensation of the heavy lead blanket being being layed on your chest.
It often feels like it begins at your feet, comes up over your chest and ends at your head. When that process is complete your in sleep paralysis. So now how do you get this process to happen consistantly?
(6:12)
Here is the Key:
And this one fact is so important and so critical that I’m giving it a Big Fancy name, it’s called The Fundermental Therum of Sleep Paralysis. The Fundermental Therum of Sleep Paralysis is that when you wake-up and fall asleep without moving at all sleep paralysis becomes extreemly likely.
And when I say “without moving” I mean that you wake-up and you don’t move your eyes, you don’t open your eyes, you don’t scratch any itches, you don’t move at all in any way. The idea is that your body doesn’t know for sure if your mind is awake or not. If you don’t give it any signals otherwise, it will assume that the mind really IS still asleep and reparalys itself.
(6:55)
The foundation skill that you need to develop this knowledge into a full blown induction is To Fall Asleep Quickly.
So
In the next section I’ll show you how you can make your body first ask for permission to fall asleep and then I’ll show you can tell it, “Yes, it’s time to fall asleep”. This trick is called the “Stop, Drop, and Roll” command. And once you have it you will never have trouble with insomnia again and you will dramatically accelerate your OBE PROGRESS.
(7:18 is end of lesson, the next 2 mins and 37 seconds 7:18 to 9:55 is Nicks car salesman spiel that everyone #!!*#!! HATES hahaha)
Wow thats actually pretty useful. Do you have transcripts of all the videos in the series?
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Originally Posted by atkins513
I got here 4 and 1/2 hours ago to transcribe number 7. then realised I had accidently started transcribing number 2. but then I thought the Universe might want number 2 to read first by Dream Viewers so I continued.
I am now transcribing number 7.
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