Thread: Lucidology 101 & Nicholas Newport (Entire Video Course Here)

People have been discussing this course on and off for a while. There is an ongoing thread, here:
http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/stop-d...rmation-81402/

I think I chimed in with my opinion somewhere in the beginning of the discussion. I don't like the way he sells lucid dreaming like snake oil.

I have seen this thread but I disagree with its title. It is also obvious that the creator of this thread is biased against Nicholas Newport, not necessarily the methods or whether he is knowledgeable or not. I personally think that if we are going to discuss someone's methods here we should start it off as an unbiased discussion about the methods and determine from the beginning whether the information is or is not correct. I think my post is a fair and honest way to start this discussion and should over-ride a post of the same topic starting with negative opinions, even in its very title.

In video Part 7 Nick shows us a pile of the books he read and didn't have one lucid dream or OBE from them. I counted about ninety books. I beilieve him when he says that he has read them. He then formulated and created his ramp timer method for us. His success rate went from 0% to 80%. I had a lucid dream the first time I used the timer. His relaxation exercises in the video are really excellent and help a lot in inducing sleep paralysis, I have seen other people say on the saltcube forum that the stop, drop and roll sleep commands really helped. Since his first experiments he says he has had thousands of lucids and OBE's and can have them virtually at will every morning. He no longer needs the timer as he uses either sleep breathing or quick switch OBE's, the culminating technique from lucidology 102. Lucidology 102 is excellent. I was truly shocked when I had a WILD in my armchair in the middle of the afternoon as I just wanted to practice generating memory impressions.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

I don't like the way he sells lucid dreaming like snake oil.

I emailed Nick that the timer only worked once as I found it impossible to fall asleep again on every ramp timer beep thus ruining the chance of having a lucid. I told him that I had excellent success with Michael Raduga's methods so he asked for details. I sent him the link for the download of his free books. A couple of weeks later I got a reply...

Nick said, 'Thanks !!!' - Here is an open-minded man who is grateful to learn something new and isn't in it just to make money. It took him four years to put the lucidology 102 course together and I would happily pay ten times the asking price.

Why is this thread here?

This sub-forum's subtitle says, 'This is for discussion of general non-lucid dream topics'

The opening words on the videos is, 'How to trick your body into falling asleep to quickly start having lots of OBE's and lucid dreams without using any visualisations...'

This should be in the attaining lucidity sub-forum.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

In video Part 7 Nick shows us a pile of the books he read and didn't have one lucid dream or OBE from them. I counted about ninety books. I beilieve him when he says that he has read them. He then formulated and created his ramp timer method for us. His success rate went from 0% to 80%. I had a lucid dream the first time I used the timer. His relaxation exercises in the video are really excellent and help a lot in inducing sleep paralysis, I have seen other people say on the saltcube forum that the stop, drop and roll sleep commands really helped. Since his first experiments he says he has had thousands of lucids and OBE's and can have them virtually at will every morning. He no longer needs the timer as he uses either sleep breathing or quick switch OBE's, the culminating technique from lucidology 102. Lucidology 102 is excellent. I was truly shocked when I had a WILD in my armchair in the middle of the afternoon as I just wanted to practice generating memory impressions.



I emailed Nick that the timer only worked once as I found it impossible to fall asleep again on every ramp timer beep thus ruining the chance of having a lucid. I told him that I had excellent success with Michael Raduga's methods so he asked for details. I sent him the link for the download of his free books. A couple of weeks later I got a reply...

Nick said, 'Thanks !!!' - Here is an open-minded man who is grateful to learn something new and isn't in it just to make money. It took him four years to put the lucidology 102 course together and I would happily pay ten times the asking price.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Why is this thread here?

This sub-forum's subtitle says, 'This is for discussion of general non-lucid dream topics'

The opening words on the videos is, 'How to trick your body into falling asleep to quickly start having lots of OBE's and lucid dreams without using any visualisations...'

This should be in the attaining lucidity sub-forum.

I agree 100 percent. I personally think this is very good information. I may have posted it in the wrong part of the forum. A moderator can move it if they feel necessary but there are many post in this section regarding lucidity lol

Originally Posted by atkins513

I agree 100 percent. I personally think this is very good information. I may have posted it in the wrong part of the forum. A moderator can move it if they feel necessary but there are many post in this section regarding lucidity lol

This is the first time I have looked in this sub-forum. If I want to read about non-lucid dreams I will read my dream journal . This should be in the attaing lucidity sub-forum.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

This is the first time I have looked in this sub-forum. If I want to read about non-lucid dreams I will read my dream journal . This should be in the attaing lucidity sub-forum.

I'm pretty sure we have already came to that conclusion lol.. A moderator will move it soon enough. I don't have that ability

I'm inclined to think he knows what he's talking about, but it's clearly a big marketing gimmick - making up terminology and changing techniques and explanations for the sake of making money. Lucid dreaming shouldn't be confusing. If one were to watch his videos and then be referred to DV by someone else, they'd be completely lost and confused.

Well I don't necessarily think he was intentionally making up terms to be confusing but I think there are certain methods he has (whether he created them or not) that aren't discussed often in other places, or weren't at the time he created this series of videos. For instance, the translucent eyelids effect. This is not something I have ever seen discussed here at DV unless it was in reference to this video series, yet it is something I have personally experienced many many times and is usually one of the first indicators that cause me to realize I am lucid.. So to me, it needs to be called something, and if it wasn't already named or very heard of, then I have no problem with him calling it "translucent eyelids effect", because regardless its a real thing that happens... I think he may have changed some of the other names of the techniques that we know of, but is it possible that he was using the names he used first? or around the same time the names were created? I noticed his Saltcube series of videos, which are very similar to Lucidology but older go all the way back to 5 years ago and he was using some of the same names he uses in the lucidology videos... So I guess one of the real questions is how long has he been around? Maybe he will come to this forum to give us some background on himself and his techniques? Does anyone know who he is or communicate with him in real life that could ask him to do this?

If I am right about this he lives down the street from me literally.. 5 minutes away..

I have communicated with him several times and his emails have been sincere and helpful. He isn't just in it for the money as he emails everyone who has purchased his lucidology 102 course to ask him questions and he then answers those questions at length as audio downloads. He is passionate about the field and is genuinely helpful. If he was just in it for the money he would charge for the updates.

And as for his free course being confusing that doesn't ring true for me. This forum has contradictory material and differences of opinion on many matters because what we study and practice here is not yet a science, it is still an art that works differently for different people. I see dozens of tips and techniques that work for some and don't work for others. I don't think we shouldn't single out and attack Nick for for explaining things his way. I have found his information nothing but complimentary to the information on this forum. He knows that he is discussed here and he has an enormous amount of practical experience; I just hope that he doesn't come here because he feels being attacked would be using up his valuable time...

Oh and another thing people voting that he isn't knowledgeable when he has had thousands of lucid dreams and OBE's?

I emailed him through the website and asked him if he would mind coming by and joining this thread. I told him I personally think he has a lot to bring to this whole forum, or at least to officially introduce himself and join in the conversation a little bit.

Your completely right, Lucid dreaming is such a new phenomena at least, main stream as it is getting, that there isn't a lot of "official" science backing many aspects of it and most terms and such involved are made by the current discovers or creators. I would compare this to Albert Einstein's early theories of Quantum Physics, compared to someone like Niels Bohr's theories in the early investigation of it all... They both believed in the same things, the same basic principles, but not only used different terms to explain it but also had different Ideas surrounding it. We are all investigating the same things here and since so much of this is newly being discovered (rcs, ideas, theories) we can't say that one is more correct than the other until they are tested thoroughly. In the above philosophy, you can see why it would be perfectly normal that there are so many different terms.. I have never communicated with the guy but I respect what I know of him and he seems genuine to me. Who should fault the guy for trying to earn an income from things he is working hard to not only develop but to also discover in new ways. Many of his techniques I have never seen on any forum, therefore they are his. I think this would be the same as saying Dr Stephen Laberge does not deserve the money from writing his books, after all, he did pick up the whole concept and early science of lucid dreaming from others before him..

Before I get flamed I am not comparing Nicholas Newport to Einstein and I am not saying that every method he talks about are methods he discovered, but I am saying that he is a pioneer among all of us pioneers and that many of his methods were obviously developed by him. So who is to say that if he is working with lucid dreaming, developing new methods, and continuing to try to develop new methods/techniques that he doesn't also deserve to earn a living from the time invested personally in this?

I personally believe we are all Pioneers in Lucid dreaming and lucid dreaming techniques. It is from these forums that new genius ideas arrive into the "mainstream" and begin to take life allowing many others to lucid dream using these ideas... we, as a collection, are growing lucid dreaming and its advancement. I praise Nicholas Newport for what he has brought to the lucid dreaming community and I praise everyone of us for coming here every day and offering new ideas and altering current ones to work better.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Oh and another thing people voting that he isn't knowledgeable when he has had thousands of lucid dreams and OBE's?

Well, I think people should watch the entire video series first before voting for one, and for 2, anyone can claim to have had thousands, but I believe him because he is knowledgeable and I have every reason to believe him as much as any other "top ld'er" on this forum. Know what i mean? This is kind of an honor system here lol

Not to mention, there isn't many votes yet, and I left this poll open indefinitely. So we shall see what people think once its populated.

Originally Posted by atkins513

This is kind of an honor system here lol

That's true in every facet of life on Earth. The big boys and girls have always ruled the playground.

Atkins,

I am putting together and induction method that I suspect will generate multiple lucid dreams every night. The induction method will only need to be performed once and will mean no more dream journals, reality checks, mnemonics, in fact no further action will be needed and yet the practitioner will have lucid dreams every night for the rest of their lives. I must get the finer points right before I test my method which I am 90% certain will work. Now I know that most people reading this will think it is absolute horseshit and I will be attacked vehemently for even suggesting such an extremely powerful induction method could be possible. I will know what it feels like to be in Nick's shoes...

im gonna pm you..

Originally Posted by atkins513

I emailed him through the website and asked him if he would mind coming by and joining this thread. I told him I personally think he has a lot to bring to this whole forum, or at least to officially introduce himself and join in the conversation a little bit.

Your completely right, Lucid dreaming is such a new phenomena at least, main stream as it is getting, that there isn't a lot of "official" science backing many aspects of it and most terms and such involved are made by the current discovers or creators. I would compare this to Albert Einstein's early theories of Quantum Physics, compared to someone like Niels Bohr's theories in the early investigation of it all... They both believed in the same things, the same basic principles, but not only used different terms to explain it but also had different Ideas surrounding it. We are all investigating the same things here and since so much of this is newly being discovered (rcs, ideas, theories) we can't say that one is more correct than the other until they are tested thoroughly. In the above philosophy, you can see why it would be perfectly normal that there are so many different terms.. I have never communicated with the guy but I respect what I know of him and he seems genuine to me. Who should fault the guy for trying to earn an income from things he is working hard to not only develop but to also discover in new ways. Many of his techniques I have never seen on any forum, therefore they are his. I think this would be the same as saying Dr Stephen Laberge does not deserve the money from writing his books, after all, he did pick up the whole concept and early science of lucid dreaming from others before him..

Before I get flamed I am not comparing Nicholas Newport to Einstein and I am not saying that every method he talks about are methods he discovered, but I am saying that he is a pioneer among all of us pioneers and that many of his methods were obviously developed by him. So who is to say that if he is working with lucid dreaming, developing new methods, and continuing to try to develop new methods/techniques that he doesn't also deserve to earn a living from the time invested personally in this?

I personally believe we are all Pioneers in Lucid dreaming and lucid dreaming techniques. It is from these forums that new genius ideas arrive into the "mainstream" and begin to take life allowing many others to lucid dream using these ideas... we, as a collection, are growing lucid dreaming and its advancement. I praise Nicholas Newport for what he has brought to the lucid dreaming community and I praise everyone of us for coming here every day and offering new ideas and altering current ones to work better.

Absolutely fantastic post. The best one I think I have ever read here.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Absolutely fantastic post. The best one I think I have ever read here.

Thanks, Its from the heart lol

I do think he is on this solely for selling, he might look nice, but thats something anyone who knows how to sell stuff does. For one, for someone so interested in LDing and OBE, there is no need to create new names, as before even making the videos, he should have browsed the internet and know the terms people normally use, so no need to confuse people by using two different names for the same thing, right?

I don't doubt he has knowledge on the subject, but the way its portrayed is... well, yeah. After all, his technique is very similar to the one of Jeff. Anyway, different techniques work for different people, so as long as it works for some, and people aren't blinded into buying stuff (That should be free, anyway) they don't need to, all is ok.

He wants your money. That's it. Make sure this thread doesn't become an advertisement for this guy, or it WILL be closed and removed.

Also, this thread will never be stickied, so don't bother asking.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

He wants your money. That's it. Make sure this thread doesn't become an advertisement for this guy, or it WILL be closed and removed.

Also, this thread will never be stickied, so don't bother asking.

The quickest WILD he has had from a WBTB is 15 God damn seconds after getting into bed using sleep breathing. Can you do that? I doubt it. So what about the money grabbing google advertisements at the top of the forum for lucid dreaming products which are a waste of money? I understand server bandwidth has to be paid for but it rings of bullshit double standards which you clearly have as a moderator. Where is the large donation button instead of lucid dreaming money grabbing advertisements. I would happily pay a subscription here. I will always have more respect for him than I ever will have for you. He pays for his forum bandwidth to help US!!!

This site does seem to have scream bais towards the lucidology program since I have been here (almost a year) and I have never understood why. Not only that but to threaten to remove a thread because of a topic that may or may not offer some competition to this site, yet still offers free video tutorials (the entire first series) that actually do work and help (I currently use many of the methods w success) . Not only this but I never said anyone should buy the 2nd series or recommended it as the first series has plenty of excellent information to get anyone started.

This site is starting to look more communist by the day when a representative of the site threatens to close a topic and remove it, yet the same representative or any other mod from the site never cared to complain or remove a thread that openly bashed the same topic lol..

Aquanina, with all due respect, this thread was started as an offset to the same topic that had been ridiculously started in a biased fashion. This thread was started so anyone could watch the free videos for themselves and hopefully make use of the many techniques never discussed here in this forum, in any fashion, nor has there been a similar technique anywhere here.. yet these techniques work flawlessly for so many.. in face, we can stop discussing Nicholas Newport, and start discussing the methods. I will be happy to start posting each method one by one and discussing whether as to anyone has yet tried it or used it, without mentioning lucidology or Nicholas Newport.

I know personally had it not been for the translucent eyelids effect he describes, I would have missed out on many 10's of wilds because this is the first thing I realize, otherwise I would have thought I was waking up and couldn't keep my eyes closed for some reason..

So if you guys hate Nicholas Newport so bad, and Lucidology, lets start this discussion new right here about the methods and not the man.

Ive calmed down a bit now. I don't like getting angry. I have paid for my subscription as I am extremely grateful for this place.

His V-WILD techniques are light years above most of the information on this forum, no wonder it took four years of research to put a comprehensive course together. Compensation for that work is an honest exchange for goods and services exchanged, i.e. money.

Uh, no it isn't, I have seen his videos and I have seen info just as good as his V-WILD technique here, for example, the tut Naiya did is awesome for WILD, just as the one of Jeff, and both describe very similar things to his video. I have had WILDs in less than 10 seconds, but that doesn't means I'm a WILD master, now does it? Don't know why people want to title themselves masters anyway, I don't like that.

Also, donations, don't know why people want to make money off LDing, if someone is grateful, they can donate, simple as that. And I see huge bias in favor of newport in this thread too, the only difference is at which side the bias is standing, but yeah, threatening to close the thread wasn't a very good idea, but then you should know that its against the rules to link to certain sites in the public section.