Lucidology 101 & Nicholas Newport (Entire Video Course Here)

[QUOTE=Raspberry;1594891]Ok, I am just stating right now that I take a neutral stance in this discussion. I have not used the methods from Lucidology, but that does not mean I will never try them or that I'm just going to slag it off.

But there are some points I feel I need to make.

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

1. Being biased is basically favoratism.You choose one side over another, and pretty much makes you deaf to what others have to say.

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No it is not. It is unfair prejudice for or against something. I am not prejudiced in favour of Nick because prejudice is a preconceived opinion that is not based on actual experience. Instead I have actual experience.

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

This has happened to both sides of the debate I believe, including you, Mcwillis! I have seen some of your posts in other threads, and when people say that the methods are not working for them, you tell them they've worked for you and so they should try harder (not your exact words but basically the gist of it)

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I said they might be performing the techniques incorrectly, which I agree I shouldn't have said because I understand not every technique works for everyone. I tried all the WILD tutorials here and I failed miserably until I used Nick's groundbreaking V-WILD techniques. So I know that what works for some doesn't work for others.

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

2. About the magazine interview; I see interviews all the time where the people are not as experienced as they seem. Although as I have a neutral stance, I cannot say whether he is or not. I'm not taking sides. What I think LucidTeamate means, is that you are saying that he can get lucid in 15 seconds and has had 1000 lucid dreams. But people can lie. I don't know where you got this information from, but just because Nick Newport says he has doesn't mean he's being truthful. I think this is what LucidTeamate was pointing out. But then again, maybe he has. Just because he says he has doesn't mean I believe it to be true. I am uncertain on this matter however, because to me there is no way of proving or not proving that he has done these achievements.

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His updates to his course are very in-depth to answer peoples questions, which he invites them to do. The information is too accurate to be that of a charlatan.

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

5. Newport's work may work best for you, but I'm pretty certain that for other people LaBerge's work will work better for them than Newport's. It is again the simple matter that everyone is different and percieves things in different ways. Some people will prefer Newport's work whereas others will prefer LaBerge's.

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Of course. This thread was started by someone who wanted to discuss practical issues that have basis in fact, which I have done and the poster above says I'm pissing them off. How would you react young lady?

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

But if I try them and they do not work, I won't go around saying it's a scam because they could work for other people as they have for you and Atkins :)

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I'm glad to hear that. At least you will be making a judgement based on experience rather than following the crowd.

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

I hope they continue to help you.

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Thanks, they will, I'm looking forward to getting quick switch OBE's nailed down.

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Originally Posted by atkins513

I do think you may be mis-understanding what I mean, maybe not but let me try to explain better. What happens regularly when I am attempting to Wild is I am laying there doing the attempt.. and suddenly I realize I am looking at the ceiling.. But we know this is impossible unless I am dreaming. I cannot see through my physically closed eyes if I am awake, only if I am dreaming. So you and I are actually agreeing Aquanina lol. This will definitely happen to some people and will not happen to others. Depending on your expectations. It isn't that you can see the ceiling through your physical closed eyes, its that you switch from physical to nonphysical without realizing it and suddenly you are looking through your "eyes" in a false awakening. This is a false awakening. The way you catch it is by realizing you can suddenly see. This is just a false awakening, but thinking about "when I can see my ceiling I am dreaming" is my spin on it, because weirdly enough, its exactly what happens. Then I can just hop out of bed and run around in my false awakening/LD. See what I mean now.. We are agreeing that it happens to you and I both :)

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I guess we are talking about two different things.

1. Regarding the "technique" ...it seems silly, confusing, and inefficient. This is why I'm skeptical of Nick's methods. He creates a bunch of names for really simple things that most people are smart enough to figure out on their own. I mean...that is the easiest part of WILD! Transitioning into the dream state. Why do people need some silly "invisible eyelid" special technique for it? Not to mention, that you can't even remember to do it because you're thinking about all his other little catch words and way overcomplicated techniques. So instead of enjoying a nice lucid, you are now kicking yourself for not remembering to perform all these methods. Why do you keep getting the invisible eyelids thing happening to you? Probably because you've become fixated on Nick's "techniques" and can think of little else, so it's only natural that it would start manifesting more in your dreams.

2. I was talking about actually opening my physical eyes during a dream or transitional state, taking a quick peek around, and closing them to go back into the lucid dream. You said "when WilDing, if you see anything clearly, such as your ceiling...you are dreaming because your eyes are closed and its impossible to see." So no, we weren't agreeing. I just wanted to point out that your eyes CAN be open and looking around your room AND you can be dreaming.

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This morning when I was attempting to wild, during the attempt to realize I was falling into a dream.. I kept realizing I was looking at my hands, and then once I was on a computer.. trying to wild. I was looking at the laptop with my hand on the mouse trying not to move it.. then i snapped out of it and realized i had completely missed a false awakening.. I started trying to wild again, laying perfectly still.. and im looking at my hands again... trying not to move them so the wild attempt goes successful... then i wake up again... I realized everytime I was doing this I forgot to look for the translucent eyelids effect.. (which means I somehow have sight even though my physical eyes are closed.) FOR 1- i wasn't even in front of my laptop I was laying on my back.. the laptop was in the other room.. for ) 2-I had visual sight. This is the kicker.. i forgot to realize when I can see even through my physical closed eyes I am DREAMING.. I missed 3 separate attempts because I fell into nonphysical awareness without realizing it lol.. the fact that I could see normally tells me immediately that I am dreaming.. but I forgot to remind myself to look for that.. sux lol

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I mean, it sounds like you are really struggling there mate...getting lucid doesn't have to be that hard. Or that complicated. It really doesn't. I've been watching this guy confuse the hell out of people for years.

Also Nick's muscle twitching technique for coaxing muscle groups into sleep paralysis is a fantastic tip. I for one find it very hard to enter sleep paralysis just by falling asleep and keeping awareness as a traditional WILD dictates but I have been able to paralyse a few small muscle groups with this. It has certainly helped me along my journey but as I am concentrating most of my methods on Michael Raduga's techniques at the moment I will probably come back to further experimenting with this one day.

Does Michael Raduga have a similar website with videos and such? I'd like to check him out, maybe I'd like him better.

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

1. Regarding the "technique" ...it seems silly, confusing, and inefficient. This is why I'm skeptical of Nick's methods. He creates a bunch of names for really simple things that most people are smart enough to figure out on their own.

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I think he did this because he had read about ninety books on the subject and achieved no practical results. He then discovered his own method, the timer, which does work well and I'm guessing he wanted it to be as practical as possible and introduced scientific terms such as hypnotic fractionation to keep it having a certain scientific methodolgy. When he made up terms like the fundamental theorem of sleep paralysis he was again, I believe, using a scientific methodology to help people to be scientific about the process because he had failed with over ninety mainstream published books and wanted to help people experience the results he had. Of course when I heard him say the fundamental theorem of sleep paralysis I dumped that term because that is just common sense to do so. But for a complete newcomer it might encourage them to take a scientific approach to the subject and follow instructions precisely rather than picking and choosing what to do. I am only presuming here.

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

Does Michael Raduga have a similar website with videos and such? I'd like to check him out, maybe I'd like him better.

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The link below is a direct zipped folder download of his free textbook and workbook. The textbook reads like a physics textbook, as Mr. Raduga says. The workbook is a lighter read.

Michael Raduga's Textbook and Workbook

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

I guess we are talking about two different things.

1. Regarding the "technique" ...it seems silly, confusing, and inefficient. This is why I'm skeptical of Nick's methods. He creates a bunch of names for really simple things that most people are smart enough to figure out on their own. I mean...that is the easiest part of WILD! Transitioning into the dream state. Why do people need some silly "invisible eyelid" special technique for it? Not to mention, that you can't even remember to do it because you're thinking about all his other little catch words and way overcomplicated techniques. So instead of enjoying a nice lucid, you are now kicking yourself for not remembering to perform all these methods. Why do you keep getting the invisible eyelids thing happening to you? Probably because you've become fixated on Nick's "techniques" and can think of little else, so it's only natural that it would start manifesting more in your dreams.

2. I was talking about actually opening my physical eyes during a dream or transitional state, taking a quick peek around, and closing them to go back into the lucid dream. You said "when WilDing, if you see anything clearly, such as your ceiling...you are dreaming because your eyes are closed and its impossible to see." So no, we weren't agreeing. I just wanted to point out that your eyes CAN be open and looking around your room AND you can be dreaming.



I mean, it sounds like you are really struggling there mate...getting lucid doesn't have to be that hard. Or that complicated. It really doesn't. I've been watching this guy confuse the hell out of people for years.

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No lol. I don't normally struggle when I remember to look for it. There is a difference between you Aquanina, and / myself,many forum users. The difference is that you are much further along with lucid dreaming. You are much more likely to notice something that seems so simple to you. You are much more likely to find many things silly and wonder why people need them, because they do seem silly to you. But keep in mind, I'm still a newbie myself in my eyes, and the other newbies on this forum, we all see things in a much different light than you. I had several experiences in my earlier lucidity where I was laying in bed wilding and I realized my eyes had worked their way open, so what did I do? I closed them, and fell asleep and ruined the wild attempt. It wasn't until after I watched the L101 videos that I realized that my eyes weren't working their way open, that I was in fact nonphysical. The very next time I attempted wilding, this happened again, and I remembered that I was supposed to reality check because my eyes probably weren't physically open.. I reality checked and found out I was lucid. Success!

So, why this may seem silly to an advanced dreamer, it is in fact the cause for many failed wild attempts for newbies. I have also read this on many websites before I found l101 and dreamviews. It was always the same. "I am trying to wild but I cant keep my eyes closed" or "I noticed that during SP , sometimes my eyes start to open, and I wake up because I know I ruined the attempt".

This is why he explains this in his videos. Remember, he isn't telling pro's how to lucid dream, but explaining it to Newbies who don't know what to look for. I can now attribute many wilds to knowing to realize my nonphysical eyes are open, instead of my physical eyes. It may seem silly, but between the natural faulty dream logic, and other things, it can easily be the difference between a failed attempt or not. But for a pro? Probably seems silly and misleading... Also, I know that with advancement many things change in how you recognize you are dreaming and other things. You may not even have faulty dream logic anymore. I don't know.. But many of us do.. so these little things, we really need to be educated on so we know to look for it.

As for your other point, I know what you are talking about. I can open my physical eyes sometimes and see the room, then re-enter lucidity, but it hasn't happened very often. That may also be were some confusion is because I wasn't talking about anytime you are dreaming you can't see the physical room, I was saying when you are wilding and you are 100 percent sure your eyes were just closed, but suddenly they are wide open. If you shut them, you are likely to fall into a dream scene without lucidity. Instead, you are likely nonphysical as soon as you realize your eyes are open and should RC.

So some of it may seem silly and misleading to you, as an advanced dreamer, but to someone just learning all these things, its all important to understand and be on the lookout for it. I feel I am defending worthwhile methods, while you feel they are junk created to sell videos. I think the misunderstanding is coming from our personal level of experience and how we see the usability of the methods.

You know what, Aquanina

I just had a thought.

I think folks, like me, become "Nick fans" is cos he collected stuff from many respected LD/OBE authors primarily to get help with his horrible medical condition, "chronic insomnia". He was very kind with Everyone on his site. He listened to us and asked us questions. He was very sincere.

His stuff was very, very affordable and mostly free. Then he even made 101 free.

He moved onto 102.

Then he moved on and on to 103. An off the scale thing that all the work of 101 and 102 is leading up to.

103 involve amazing tasks. Nick has gone deep into these tasks. These tasks are a reaching-out into the Universe in search of (?).

I can't do 101 yet. I want support to Do it. Then when I can do 101 I want support to do 102.

The most experienced saltcubers have stopped posting on saltcube. Hoshblah and Gig and another said something about, going away to practice other kinds of OBE/LD work and would be back later. Nick also stopped posting too.

Tut!

I forgot what me thought was

Sorry.

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Originally Posted by debrajane

You know what, Aquanina

I just had a thought.

I think folks, like me, become "Nick fans" is cos he collected stuff from many respected LD/OBE authors primarily to get help with his horrible medical condition, "chronic insomnia". He was very kind with Everyone on his site. He listened to us and asked us questions. He was very sincere.

His stuff was very, very affordable and mostly free. Then he even made 101 free.

He moved onto 102.

Then he moved on and on to 103. An off the scale thing that all the work of 101 and 102 is leading up to.

103 involve amazing tasks. Nick has gone deep into these tasks. These tasks are a reaching-out into the Universe in search of (?).

I can't do 101 yet. I want support to Do it. Then when I can do 101 I want support to do 102.

The most experienced saltcubers have stopped posting on saltcube. Hoshblah and Gig and another said something about, going away to practice other kinds of OBE/LD work and would be back later. Nick also stopped posting too.

Tut!

I forgot what me thought was

Sorry.

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lol im sure it will come back to you

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Originally Posted by atkins513

So, why this may seem silly to an advanced dreamer, it is in fact the cause for many failed wild attempts for newbies. I have also read this on many websites before I found l101 and dreamviews. It was always the same. "I am trying to wild but I cant keep my eyes closed" or "I noticed that during SP , sometimes my eyes start to open, and I wake up because I know I ruined the attempt".

This is why he explains this in his videos. Remember, he isn't telling pro's how to lucid dream, but explaining it to Newbies who don't know what to look for. I can now attribute many wilds to knowing to realize my nonphysical eyes are open, instead of my physical eyes. It may seem silly, but between the natural faulty dream logic, and other things, it can easily be the difference between a failed attempt or not. But for a pro? Probably seems silly and misleading... So some of it may seem silly and misleading to you, as an advanced dreamer, but to someone just learning all these things, its all important to understand and be on the lookout for it. I feel I am defending worthwhile methods, while you feel they are junk created to sell videos. I think the misunderstanding is coming from our personal level of experience and how we see the usability of the methods.

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No, it seems silly and misleading because most of it IS silly and misleading. When people write that they have trouble keeping their eyes closed during a WILD attempt, it is...because their eyelids are opening slightly, and they are, as they said, having trouble keeping their eye shut. Not because it is just some illusion, and if you are claiming otherwise then I ask you to provide some clear evidence to support your position that people's eyes are actually still closed. That logic makes no sense by the way, considering that the eyelids do not enter sleep paralysis in the same way as the rest of the body. Anyone with a clue about WILDing and SP would be able to use their critical thinking skills to realize that because the eyes do not enter sleep paralysis, they would naturally be the part of the body most likely to experience movement during a WILD. Yes, your eyes WILL sometimes open slightly during a WILD. NO that does NOT mean that you are dreaming. Perfect example of why I can't stand NN and his BS. Most of it is just plain wrong!

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Originally Posted by debrajane

I think folks, like me, become "Nick fans" is cos he collected stuff from many respected LD/OBE authors

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Yeah. That's another thing that bothers me. He just read a lot from other authors, scientists, and researchers...and used it to create his weird named techniques and catchy phrases. He uses science sounding words with zero scientific basis just to make things sound more credible. That is dishonesty. I would greatly prefer to get my information directly from the source, rather than someone like NN who has merely collected it and filtered it through his own limited understanding and repackaging it for sale to others.

Aquanina

U R so harsh and discouraging.

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If there is any where on this massive Dream Views site where I can find sustained friendship and encourag-ment please link me to it.

Ok. So I want to post this tidbit of information and then we can discuss the actual methods further, instead of arguing for, or against L101. Keep In Mind SaltCube & Lucidology are the same thing, except salt cube was the name used before Lucidology. Also Matt Jones & Nicholas Newport are the same person as well.

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Originally Posted by atkins513

Yea I know exactly what you mean, that mind / body separateness really just seems to make no sense at all, when its coming from lucidology, but to hear the wild tutorial below explain it.. almost exactly the same way using the same "confusing made up terms" from lucidology, everyone here at dv seems to love it.. hmm

Don't get me wrong because I really like Jeffs tutorial as well.. probably because its the same as the mind awake/body asleep video of L101 and I'm pretty sure there was some bashing in the earlier threads of that exact method... yet its loved below in this tutorial. lol

Also, some of those "made up confusing terms' are used here in Jeffs tutorial. (mind awake/body asleep) (eye-micro-movements) (breathing exercises) and he even talks about how bodily hormones affect wilding based on day and night, ie serotonin/melatonin. Sounds to me like he's had a lesson in L101. I know some of you will say that these are all regular things in Lucid Dreaming, and they are, but to have them all together in one small tutorial goes to show something in my eyes.

http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/mind-a...utorial-42271/

Isn't this tutorial awesome everyone? But doesn't L101 suck so bad... Jeff received 34 thank yous for his L101 rewrite.

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This was a post I had made in response to someone saying they didn't like the idea of Mind/Awake body asleep and that essentially it was bogus. Which we have heard many many times. So I mentioned Jeff's tutorial on wilding which is a great tutorial but to me seemed lifted directly from L101. Even though the methods and terms are almost identical everyone loves this method and many people claimed it worked amazing all through Jeff's thread. Which it does.

Jeff Responded in this thread, thankfully, with this.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

I guess noone uses whois anymore. :/ At any rate, since this thread has been causing somewhat of a stir, I decided to do some digging myself. But here's a bit of back info first. Back in 2007 I discovered the saltcube website and decided to buy the dvd. Matt Jones is the owner of the saltcube website and the narrator in the dvd. I became curious and wanted more info on this "putting your body to sleep" method so I googled that exact term. A website came up called smoke and mirrors (created as a sub-directory under the infernowolf site). The smoke and mirrors page has been removed for some time but the URL in which I copied the site from was put (and has always remained) at the bottom of the Mind Awake, Body Asleep (formerly How to trick your body into falling asleep while keeping your mind awake) post. I put it there when I created the thread so that people would know I wasn't passing this method and the article off as original creations by me. Granted I've found much success with the method, I'm very quick to tell people that it's not my method.

I appreciate the support but I definitely have to agree with a lot of points spaceexplorer and others have made in this thread. If I had the opportunity to go back and offer my own explanation of the method, I probably would.. because if you are coming from a scientific perspective, it can be misleading. On the flip side though, it's very easy for a LD'ing newbie to understand and "get." Which is why so many have found success by using it. Their success, I believe, did not stem from them tricking their bodies into falling asleep. Their success comes from their belief in that method which creates a discipline in themselves when attempting. That in turn yields them the success they attribute BACK to the article. Does the end justify the means? I guess to answer that you should examine the reasons why you came here in the first place. To be right. Or to lucid dream.

As one progresses in their journey, then they can get into the scientifics involved if they want.. but tbh, noone really cares. They just "want it to work." Disagree with me? What's more important.. that your bedside lamp works, or you first understand all the specifics involved that make it work? If you're me, you just want to turn the damn thing on when you need to without needing prequel instructions prior to getting it to work.

The method does not "trick" anything. It merely cultivates discipline in the person..and discipline is the foundation to deliberate lucid dreaming.

Now, to help the article/method save face a bit, the only problem I see is the word "tricking." Everything else is fine. That's the only part of the article I would go back and revise if I could. But that runaway train took off in 2007.. and google took notice. Therefore editing it now would be detrimental. The mind and body are one.

Below are some whois results I pulled up, which kind of surprised me. First is a summary timeline of what happened. I'm sure Matt Jones/Nicholas Newport is pissed that the same material he's selling on his site for tens of dollars is freely being given here. And that it's helped thousands.

Saltcube was created by Matt Jones 2004 ->

Jeff sees saltcube site and searches for more info online and finds smoke and mirrors site and re-posts the article on DV in late 2007 ->

Matt Jones, becoming aware that his sites keywords are being weighted for another site decides to reinvent himself and his product under a new guise and with more complex jargon to convince others that the more complex it is, the better it must be, therefore he creates lucidology.com in 2008 ->

I'm often asked by LD'ers who do I think of Nicholas Newport (remember, Matt Jones of saltcube is the same guy). My usual response is similar to what most of the responses in here are like. I think he's not a bad chap. Just trying to make some money online. But he's over-complicating a subject that does not require graphs or unintelligible technical jargon. That's his gotcha selling point. If you believe you need it, buy it. download it. The purpose as to why you're here or on his site is to LD. I don't care if you have to fap 30 times before breakfast and drink toilet water at night as an LD'ing routine you swear by.

Whatever. Works. For. You. (Just don't tell the paramedics Jeff told you to do that)


- Jeff

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I greatly appreciate Jeff posting this as it does 2 things. It shows that all the success by many thanking him for the post and posting their own success using the method in his thread is in fact real. It also shows that all that success is based directly on the methods from Nicholas Newport.

Also, has I had mentioned before, there was another thread that directly quoted some of Nicholas Newport's other methods and received great results as well. Yet he didn't give credit where credit was deserved.

That link is HERE but I will quote some of the important points from this thread to save time.

ORIGINAL POST

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Originally Posted by coopercrue

Last night I discovered an easy way to attain lucidity and sleep paralysis fast. Now this may sound silly, but lay on the ground on the side of your bed on your back with your arms on your side. After about 10-15 minutes, your body will become so uncomfortable that it almost urges you to get back on your bed, when it is so unpleasent that you can't stand it anymore, get back on your bed. The body will be so relieved that it will grab the chance to fall into a deep sleep in about 5 minutes. After you fall asleep you will start the LDing.

METHOD 2. Lay on your bed on your back with your arms on your side. DO NOT go to sleep, remain conciousness. After a while your mind will question "Is the body ready to go to sleep?" to confirm that the body is still awake, it will urge you to roll over to another position. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU IGNORE THE URGE. The urge becomes excrutiatingly painful, IGNORE THE URGE! After about 5-20 seconds of pain, your mind will confirm that the body is asleep, and enter sleep paralysis. When awake and experiencing sleep paralysis, it can be scary. It will feel like you can not breathe. If you do not want to continue, change your breathing pattern into deep, long breaths. The mind will notice that the body is awake and it will wake up altogether, If you would like to continue in sleep paralysis, just sit there for about 5-10 seconds. The body will enter the Lucid Dreaming state. I hope I helped, and happy LDing. :)

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Successes from this above thread.

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Originally Posted by topten35

I did this last night nice post, but the problem i had was this, sp happend so fast that i was kind of not fully aware but in a way i was. When i was in sp, i had the cover completely covered me and i think i was dreaming, because something was different, i'm not sure, but i thought someone was on top of me when i was in sp, but i pull the blanket from over my face particially and there was no one there, and i was still in sp! That was the amazing part for me, but i was so afraid when i thought that someone was on top of me that i fought the sp and i got out of sp, that messed everything up for me and i could of possibly had entered into a dream.

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Originally Posted by coopercrue

I have tried going to sleep for about 4 hours, then laying on the ground. It makes it a little bit easier to enter REM.

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Originally Posted by Hidden

Method 2 sounds like the tutorial that Jeff wrote on WILDing.

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I LoL'd

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Originally Posted by Elem3nt0

Tried first method this morning. Worked for me. Got two LD's. I should mention i only stayed on the floor for around 5 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Consulio

Figure I may as well put in my two cents on this. :P
I saw these techniques last night just before bed and decided to try the first one listed. I am new to the concept of lucid dreaming but I did manage to achieve my first(albeit very short lived) LD. Going to try the same thing again tonight to test if it was sheer luck or not.

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Originally Posted by Motumz

Well I tried method #1. It works all too well unfortunetly. I fell asleep probably 1 minute after I layed in bed. Next time I will try when I am not as tired. I do remember very vivid dreams.

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Originally Posted by imago

I tried this 1st method a few times on some afternoon naps (well, ~5pm); all times I tried it I could get a suffocating sensation when back on the bed; I think it may be the beginning of a SP, but I still can't manage to control it. :(

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Originally Posted by jarrhead

i set my alarm for 3:30 AM (i go to bed at 9:30)
I went to sleep and got HI for the first time. It was flashing. I would see my iris and pupil with veins around the iris. In flashes. Like.. EYE...black...EYE..black...

I tried to make something out of it but snapped out of dreamy and woke up.
Then I just said "I am dreaming" with each breath. Only got to two..then i started LDing!

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Originally Posted by HighOnFire

very nice technique, almost got me to successfully WILD, would have had it, had i not had to wake myself up due to being extremely over heated. I'm actually going to do this each and every time i attempt a WILD. thank you

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Originally Posted by Jamal

I have had success with trick your body methods many times! Only during naps at around 4:00pm-6:00pm. My fastest SP was probably only a couple of minutes via Jeff's tutorial. I guess it varies... But don't say they don't work or make sense... They do work.

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Originally Posted by coopercrue

I have has 7 wilds using method 1. method 2 was only succesful for a blurry, and unstable dild.

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Originally Posted by Onforty

I tryed last night, i went into bed, had a little burst of SP, but it weared off again, it was like i felt i was very warm or something, and i had some dream i woke up from, cant remember anything, woke up and forgot to write down >:P

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My Own Post from 3-27-10

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Originally Posted by atkins513

I have saw both of these methods from lucidology 101, which is a great course by the way... there are really a lot of great techniques... This morning I tried this method #1 for the first time to see if it worked.. I laid on the kitchen linoleum floor for 5 minutes, pretty uncomfortable.. then i went and laid down in the bed.. after about 5 minutes or so my legs started getting heavy.. my body became heavy, my chest became tight, as I started to slip into SP.. I really couldn't quite get myself to phase out into an LD though it seemed, but I felt SP strongly.. dancing colors in my eyes, lead blanket effect, all of it.. next thing I know I am dreaming... i woke up to the timer, and realized I had been dreaming.. I was able to then go back into the same dream consciously and knew I was dreaming.. I had very limited control though.. however I was able to spawn a few things... and knew fully I was dreaming.. from my memory it wasn't very vibrant, but that's just my memory of the dream.. it may have been.. But I was surprised at how fast my body went into SP using the method.. that part was pretty interesting.. If you haven't tried this method, i suggest giving it a shot...

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Originally Posted by mcwillis

Actually his paid course for V-WILD's enabled me to have a WILD sat in my archair in the middle of the afternoon practicing generating memory impressions using the combined techniques of the shifted blackboard, computer menu visualisation and stimulus spikes. It is really beginning to annoy me the increasing number of people here who have opinions on something they haven't investigated.

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I did as well.

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Originally Posted by mcwillis

I got a nice easy lucid the first time I used his timer method (video no. 7) so he is not a charlatan :)

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So these are just the successes from one of the threads, not including all the successes from Jeff's rewrite of the techniques. There are at least 30 successes in that thread alone.

In my eyes, when one of the senior of DV members comes forward and gives credit to these methods, and that his own tutorial based on these methods received such great results, Now it is time to stop arguing over Nicholas Newport and Lucidology 101, and now continue discussing the actual methods in greater detail, in layman's terms.

My thread was not created to talk about Nicholas Newport, your like or dislike. My thread was created to discuss these methods in detail and the likelihood of them working for each of us, as well as the successes we all experience with each individual method. Let us move forward discussing these methods, NOT whether you like/dislike Nicholas Newport or your opinions of him. That is not what this thread is about, it is about the methods. I will be sure to keep this thread on topic of the methods from here on out.

The methods, not the man, from here forward Please.

I'm having too much fun with my new dream machine I have built to discuss Nick's methods for the time being !!!

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I'm having too much fun with my new dream machine I have built to discuss Nick's methods for the time being !!!

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F...er, tell us your results if your enjoying it so much lol
On the other thread please lol

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Hmm, I just figured you needed to go outside [to WBTB] since the sun is what triggers the dream hormones. I think I heard it from that Nicholas Newport guy on youtube. Now that I know I don't have to things are much easier though. Thanks!

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Just saw this in the Newbie Zone and thought of this thread. It made me laugh.

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Just saw this in the Newbie Zone and thought of this thread. It made me laugh.

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Haha.. That is pretty funny. It's a complete misquote though. Nicholas Newport explains the Melatonin Serotonin thing really well in his videos.
I am beginning to think there should be a required IQ test at the beginning of his video series and if you cannot score above Neanderthal, you cannot watch the videos. lol. But seriously, they are very easy to understand, and it is this kind of ignorance statement that makes the entire series look bad.

Hello

Hi,

Just lost my entire previous post, I'll paraphrase. Don't like the salesman approach. Not Evil. Good idea. Poor follow through. It's helping me.

I need more help-I can't seem to download the Lucid Dream/OBE timer. Error message on the website. Any help on this would be....helpful. Also, is the entire lucidology101 series to be found anywhere or am I missing something?

Thank You

I can send you the timer. No problem, send me a PM.


Oh, and welcome to the forums here at DV!

I haven't seen any good info from his videos. He just takes already known techniques and then calls them his own. If you bought 102 then I think your just trying to validate your purchase.

Anyway I think your better of using this site.

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Aquanina

U R so harsh and discouraging.

But



If there is any where on this massive Dream Views site where I can find sustained friendship and encourag-ment please link me to it.

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are you serious??????????? out of all the people on this site, Aquanina has been one of the NICEST people to me on here. she never shot my ideas down or called me an idiot or discouraged me from trying anything.

saying that Aquanina is harsh and discouraging is like saying a moose is an airplane

We are one

Family, family, we are one.

YouTube - We Are One - Lion King 2 - With Lyrics
(3:09) 599,401 views so far

You guys make me cry when you hate Nick and his saltcube and his work.

this was in a post where i was talking about being a neurologist

this was aquanina's response

"Neurology/Neuroscience would be a great thing to get into to pursue dream research. Go for it!"

yeah, really discouraging and harsh :facepalm:

I perceive many of you Nick Haters as ravenous lions but I concede:

Tears of Pain
Tears of Joy
One thing nothing can destroy
Is our pride DEEP INSIDE
We are one.

We are more than we are
We are one.

All the courage you need
All the wisdom to lead
You will find when you see
We are one.

Ravenous Lions (but I concede)
YouTube - Lions - We are one
(3:46) 223,291 views so far.

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Originally Posted by dakotahnok

I haven't seen any good info from his videos. He just takes already known techniques and then calls them his own. If you bought 102 then I think your just trying to validate your purchase.

Anyway I think your better of using this site.

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Please can you tell me who invented the ramp timer then that has enabled many people to have their first lucid dream, often on their first attempt?

It seems to me that people can't even be bothered to watch the videos.