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Lucidology is bullshit and a scam, the guy is not experienced in lucid dreaming, and he also has made a bunch of bodybuilding scam sites that market "muscle growing" programs. And his name is not Nicholas Newport.
I only read Aquanina´s first post, and it made me appreciate her even more.
edit: typo
Someone lock this thread already. It's died, except for debrajane.
Ok, I'm back. Please don't lock.
"When your first starting out you should make sleep paralysis be your number one goal, not having a full blown OBE or lucid dream.
The reason is, is that when you have sleep paralysis you know for sure that you've made measurable progress.
Once you've achieved sleep paralysis you're not quite into a lucid dream or OBE, but your very close." (3:33)
(Breaking to eat now, it is 2:30pm Monday 6/6/11 here in Adelaide, South Australia.)
(Time now is 7:50pm Tuesday 21/June11) I WAS HUNGRY.
3:33 (continued)
Later on we will cover exit techniques that you can use to convert sleep paralysis into a lucid dream or OBE.
Here is the most effective trick to break sleep paralysis.
It is always a good idea to have a back-up plan and know how to break unwanted sleep paralysis. The only way your bony knows for sure if your mind is awake is if you move. This is a problem when you are in 100% sleep paralysis which is preventing you from moving.
Luckily, paralysis is limited to your voluntary muscle system like your arms and legs. Your breathing, however, is semi-involuntary so you still have control over it even in deep paralysis.
If you enter sleep paralysis and decide you want to break it and wake up simply change your breathing pattern to something other than the sleep breathing pattern your body is already in. The most effective way I have found to do this is to to begin breathing deeply and slowly. After about 10 or 15 seconds your body will notice the change in breathing and start to bring you out of paralysis.
Not many things in Lucid Dreaming are 100% reliable but this but this has always worked for me every single time.(4:33)
To be continued.
Yay I found someone who uses Lucidology 101 atleast. Just one thing to note the Stop Drop and roll is not supposed to make you come in waking sleep paralysis!
That's the timer's job, and the Stop Drop and roll is just used to fall asleep and make you wake up from the timer in sleep paralysis.
But if you want to get in waking sleep paralysis the Time method is bullet proof, if you don't move upon awakening.
You don't have to buy the Lucidology 102 but it's a great visualization guide. But use Lucidology 101 it's awesome!
Not many things in Lucid Dreaming are 100% reliable but this has always worked for me every single time. (4:33)
To continue ...
(04:33)
An alternate method recommended by Robert Bruce is to try to move a finger or a toe to break paralysis. I personally find that I usually can't get a signal to my toes when in full paralysis. So I just use the deep breathing method instead.
Howerver his methods are used successfully by a large number of people so you may want to experiment with it and see if it works for you.
Whatever method you choose the main trick is to not panic. And send some sort of a signal to the body that the mind is awake.
(05:00) To be continued ... soon.
Whatever method you choose the main trick is to not panic. And send some sort of a signal to the body that the mind is awake.
(05:00) To continue ...
Some people find that when they enter waking sleep paralysis they find that when they were asleep they weren't breathing. The problem here not because of the.sleep paralysis itself but because they have an existing condition called sleep apnoea. Sleep apnoea basically means that you stop breathing when you are asleep.
If they had never experimented with waking sleep paralysis they might not have ever known that they have sleep apnoea. So this is one of the benefits of using sleep paralysis to have lucid dreams, you'll find out whether or not you have sleep apnoea.
Note, that there is a big difference between the regular heavy sensation that you get with sleep paralysis verses not breathing at all. If your not breathing at all then you probably have sleep apnoea and you should see your doctor about it.
If you only get the regular, heavy, lead blanket feeling that comes from sleep paralysis then everything is normal and there is no reason to panic. (5:50)
To be continued ...
Sleep-order flipping trick
(05:50 to 06:50)
As we mentioned before, normally you enter a state of body-awake, mind asleep before entering body asleep mind asleep.
However, what would happen if we switched it around so your body falls asleep first?
In that case you would be aware of the process that your body goes through when it falls asleep!
THIS is our MAIN secret trick for doing “visualization free“ lucid dreams and OBEs.
This transition is the most important skill to learn from this part of the course.
The reason is that,
When you can put your body to sleep without losing consciousness, at any point, you have 100%, perfectly clear, dream recall. This is called a wake induced lucid dream or WILD. It's as easy to remember what you did in a WILD as it is to remember what you did in your 15 minutes or so of normal waking awareness.
With this method you don't have to think back through the hazy dream phase like you normally do with most dreams.
So, what does it feel liketo watch your body fall asleep? (06:50)
What does SP feel like
(6:50 to 7:50)
Instead of waking up in sleep paralysis with the heavy, lead blanket feeling, when you induce paralysis consciously, you have the sensation of having the heavy, lead blanket being laid on your chest. It often feels like it begins at your feet, comes up over your chest, then ends at your head.
When that process is complete you're in sleep paralysis.
So how do you get this process to happen consistantly?
The underlying principle we need to understand is called, Mind Body Inderpendence. Mind body independence means the mind and the body work without really knowing what the other is doing. There are all kinds of stuff the body is doing that the mind is never really aware of.
For instance
You probably don't feel every single thing that your digestive system does to each and every molecule of food that passes in and out of you. More than likely, you have awareness on either end but the middle part is fairly mysterious. In the same way, the body is not able to read the minds thoughts.
So, the body never knows, for sure, if the mind has fallen asleep. (7:50)
I really don't like the lucidology series.
I didn't liked his way of describing things either, but I tested his timer and that was really good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mancon
But why do you don't like it? Is it because his techniques isn't completely bullet proof or is it because he can't in a scientifically "perfect" way explain why the methods work?
I used to blame him for that too, then I realised that no method can be perfectly explained and no method is bullet proof.
For example try to explain why MILD makes you lucid. :D At least Nicholas Newsport (even though it's a fake name), tried to explain his method.
I'm not saying that Dreamviews explains bad, I'm just saying that you can't explain lucidity.
The only method that will make you lucid is "time" and experience, and then it might be good to make all the misstakes to learn what works and what's not.
And I just need to add that the smash-talked "Stop Drop and Roll" is not a WILD technique, he sais in the Lucidology 102 that it's just a relaxation method if your unable to fall asleep, but if you can fall asleep immedaitelly, then that is better. And by the way this is no advertisement, I can even say that you don't need to buy Lucidology 102, it's just a guide of how to understand lucidology 101 and how to visualize correctly and that you can learn here on this forum.
But don't stop believing in the free Lucidology 101 because of that...
Hello Mancon
Lots of folk here on Dream Views have also said, “I really don't like the Lucidology series“. So, you are not alone.
But
Nick Newport, (also known as Matt Jones, he changed his handle cos there were too many Matt Jones' on the Internet)
Nick Newport needed to do 101 and 102 so that he could take people into 103. In 103 Nick encourages folk to, personaly, get to know their Cosmic Jellyfish.
Hello Choi
In mid 2008, when I was new to the Internet and new to Saltcube, Matt sent me a 17, and a 37 minute download. I am slowly transcribing the 17 minute one Now. And then I will do the 37 minute one.
A year or more later he uploaded these 17 and 37 as 101 on Youtube. But I think there are things omitted on his Youtube's.
To continue ...
(7:50 to 8:50)
To get around this the body has to continually poll the mind to see what's going on.
The only way it can do that is thtough a language that the body and the mind use to talk to each other.
We can learn this language by carefully watching what the body does when falling asleep.
And
how it responds to certain commands we give it.
The first word in this language is The Rollover Signal. When the body thinks the mind is asleep it usually sends a test signal that feels like an Urge to Rollover.
If
you ignore this Urge, the body decides that the mind is asleep, and goes ahead and enters sleep paralysis.
If, on the other hand, you succumb to the rollover signal and move, then the body knows that the mind is not asleep and does not enter sleep paralysis. (8:30)
8:30 to 8:55 is a pictorial description of the rollover signal
(8:55 to 10)
There are four main types of Rollover signal.
The first type is to fall asleep without the Rollover signal.
This happens when you relax quickly and deeply and the body decides to just go ahead and paralyse without sending much of a rollover signal.
Other times it's the opposite.
The second type is a painfull-signal-swell.
In this case, if you're tense, but stay still long enough, and if your body is tired enough, what will happen is the rollover signal builds and builds untill it becomes very painfull and extremely hard to ignore. However if you are too tense, the body wont paralyze no matter how long you've been still. This is called a Signal Swell.
The third type is called an Urge-Serge.
An Urge-Serge can be very usefull.
In an Urge-Serge the body sends out a strong signal out of nowhere. If you're able to resist the signal for 3 or 4 seconds, the body ends the surge and paralyses all at once.
If your not relaxed enough this will probably result in only partial sleep paralysis. Partial sleep paralysis can be used to induce lucid dreams but it is not ideal. We'll cover ways to transform partail sleep paralysis into a successful exit later on. (10:00)
He's a goddamn scammer, plain and simple. This man does not deserve one moment of your attention. He's attempting to hijack lucid dreaming and explain the knowledge gathered by many scientists and lucid dreamers, explaining it in a roundabout, esoteric manner to make it seem like he knows something that everyone else doesn't, so that he can then rope gullible people into buying his program.
:pfft:
His 102 is/was $35.
His 103 can be purchased in parts. Well I told him to not to sent me any more parts after the second download cos I dont just want to be emotionally WOWed. I WANT TO DO IT.
He is not a blinking scammer.
How many books have you bought in the last 10 years?
Hundreds of dollars worth, I bet.
Me too.
I am a hungry seeker.
I've got
The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, worth every cent of the $36:99.
Cosmic Conscious by R. Maurice, M.D. $35:00 magnificent.
The Power of Now, Eckart Toll $23:00
Autobiography of a Yogi, $25:00
Guns Germs and Steel, Jared Diamond, $30:00
The Secret $35:00
I got draws full of amazing books and I dip into them often.
I bet you have spent heaps on books over the years too.
If Nick was carging 10 times as much I would heartily recomend his 101, his 102 and the two parts of his 103, (that I got).
And stop calling me gulible
I should be asleep cos it is nearly 2am. So, sorry for the tiraid but I'm tired.
You wrote
" He's a goddamn scammer, plain and simple. This man does not deserve one moment of your attention. He's attempting to hijack lucid dreaming and explain the knowledge gathered by many scientists and lucid dreamers, explaining it in a roundabout, esoteric manner to make it seem like he knows something that everyone else doesn't, so that he can then rope gullible people into buying his program."
(10:00 to 10:50)
Finally there is one last main type of Rollover signal that you should know about called a Quick Switch.
If sleep paralysis is the Holy Grail of new OBEers then the Quick Switch signal is the Holy Grail of Urge Serges.
It happens quickly and rewards you with nice deep sleep paralysis almost instantly.
The Quick Switch, urge serge usually happens in one of two cases.
Number one
When the body is very tired and wants to go to sleep as soon as it can.
Number two
When the body was very recently asleep and is currently very deeply relaxed.
We are going to use both of those cases later on to construct a very powerful lucid dream induction. (10:50)
That was a lot of negativity. =( But I am not gonna argue, it's no use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernova
I don't mean that anyone is an idiot I just had to add it =)
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level.
We are going to (...) construct a very powerful dream induction.
To continue transcript ...
(10:50 to 11:30)
Before we can do that, there is an important piece of the puzzle that we need to cover, "How to get the body to ask to fall asleep?"
The Rollover signal comes on fast or slow depending on what position you are laying in. The body position that brings it on faster than any other position is simply to lay flat on your back with your arms at your sides.
Using this simple bit of information we can erradicate the single biggest cause of insomnia, the "Toss and Turn" syndrome.
When you toss and turn in bed what you are doing is, "resetting" the body's internal timer, each time you roll over.
The body is trying to go to sleep by sending you a roll over test signal, but you keep telling it, "not to sleep", when you move.
So you end up stuck in a toss and turn loop and never get to sleep.
This results in insomnia
(11:30)
(11:30) So how do we fix this?
The key is in understanding the 2 causes of the toss-and-turn syndrome:
Number 1
The roll-over urge itself
Number 2
Collecting and then releasing tension.
We just talked about the first reason which is the roll-over test-signal itself. The other reason for rolling over is that tossing-and-turning is the way for the body to gradually disipate tension in your muscles.
When you lay in a certain position for a while tension collects in some pionts of your muscles but not in others. Then when you roll over the tension is realeased but reforms in other areas.
Notice in the chart that each time you roll over you add tension back but over time the total amount of tension decreases.
You might start out with tension in the front of your shoulders. You roll over and it releases there but then reforms in your upper-back. You roll over again and it releases from your upper-back and forms in your chest.
Each time you roll over the tension shifts and reduces a tiny bit and eventually the toss-and-turn-syndrome will cause you to relax enough that you'll fall asleep.
But
There is a much easier way to go about it
The easier way to go about it is called:
Stop
Drop and
Roll.
(12:36)
Wow.. its super interesting to see how much hostility some of the members have here against the Lucidology material.. Personally I found it extreamly usefull, although I can agree that understanding his terminology was not easy and required learning and understanding a new map of the environment.. anyway I've been Lucid dreaming for over 15 years, and having OBE's on very rare occasions, but after examining his works starting about a week ago.. I've had a dramatic increase in my abilities to navigate in the Lucid environment.. in particular with OBEs... I hadn't had an OBE for years and in 2 out of 5 nights this weeks I experienced multiple OBEs wich were induced using insights I gathered from his 101 and 102 series.. most interesting for me are the phazing and zooming techniques, wich worked for me for the first time two nights ago.. I don't wanna sound like a saleman for his shyck, cause yeah I agree he really amps it up with the modern day marketing speal on his vids.. but honestly if he were still around I wouldn't think twice about paying 20 bucks for his work... unfortunatly he no longer sells his products so I'm stuck trolling the web to try and find his programs from torrents and people who already bought it.. In particular the 103 Material is almost non existant? does anyone here have it? I would really really really really!!!! like to get a hold of the 103 Material...
Also if anyone here would like to recomend other material they feel is better I would love to check it out.. I've pretty much gotten everything I can out of the programs and I'd love to check out the best and latest material on Lucid dreaming and OBEing, so PM if you feel like pointing me in the direction of some new and awesome material.. Thanx! :)
I agree 100 percent Luminous. If you get the 103 stuff, please please let me know. I have 102 already.
The 103 course is apparently very large. I did receive an email about all of the modules from Nick and then a week or two an email about the first installment. I bought the first module and it was very, very interesting research. The zooming technique is absolutely fabulous from lucidology 102. Hello Atkins :)
Awesome, I'll let you know if do Atkins :) Mcwillis I agree the Zooming is a fantastic technique, something I wish I understood years ago.. how did you manage to get 103? his website is down and there doesn't seem to be any way to contact the man about his products.. maybe you PM me his email?
HELP!
Please post link to Locked-thread about why why Nick Newports work stinks. I forgot the title. I've tried to search. There is something (else) in that MASSIVE thread that I NEED.
Dear Reader
Nick Newport put 101 into 12 Youtubes in April 2009. I got his original 101 in 2008.
On Youtube 1/12, 4/12 and 11/12 are missing.
My downloads have stuff in them that can't be found on Youtube so I recon my two 2008 downloads (17 minutes and 37 minutes) have the missing information.
In this thread I have transcribed 12+ minutes of the 17+ minute download. I'm thinking of transcribing the last 5 minutes then posting the whole 17 minutes together in one post, for smooth reading.
Then I might get to work and transcribe the 37 minute download. That way Dreamviews will have a full-copy of Nick's original 101 from 2008.
Debra, can I get the missing videos from Lucidology 101 from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by debrajane