pre-WILD hallucinations and a question.

**Macros** · 07-30-2011 02:07 AM

Firstly - hello, i'm new.
Secondly - sorry for my bad english, i'm not a native speaker.

To start with, i've already had 4 dilds and 1 wild. Recently, something weird happened. I was laying on my bed trying to get a WILD. I saw some hypnagogic images (simple patterns) and soon (well meaby not so soon lol) i was standing on the line between dream and reality. Blinding white light, almost unbearable noise in the ears, this heavy "drilling" sensation in my head ( i recognise it as a reality-dream crossing point from my previous wild ). After a short moment it ended, but i was still lying in my bed, not lucid dreaming. i did some reality checks that doesn't involve moving or opening eyes.
I must say that i was 100% sure that i'm awake and not dreaming, a little dizzy though.

And then i opened my imaginary eyes. I saw my friend (also involved in LDs) sitting on a chair next to me. He was.. umm.. mocking me that i can't enter LD. Then we had 2 short discussions on 2 different topics. Well.. actually only he was talking, but he knew what i think, somehow. First discussion took place in the room described above, while second took place while we were standing in the dining room. This hallucination was really vivid and realistic. I knew my partner is just a hallucination. Whole time i was aware that i'm lying in my bed. I had this kinf of extreem feeling that it's not a dream and i'm awake (I'm 100% sure it was nowhere near dreaming). After second discussion he disappeared, i opened my real eyes, went to bathroom. Of cours i did many reality checks after standing and it wasn't a dream (if it was then i can no longer tell dream from reality lol

) i knew that if i go to sleep i won't remember what we were talking about after awakening, but it was already morning and i was exhausted after about 6 hours of trying to induce LD.

The first question is, what do you think about it. The part when i was laying - was it a weird hallucination or some kind of super sophiticated semi-lucid dream without control?

And the second thing, that really matters to me is - when i was laying there i asked my friend to pinch me (i didn't say anything but he knew what i want from him). He pinched my arm and it DID really hurt O.o ( i pinched myself after standing and it felt the same).

Did something similiar happen to anyone ? What do You think about it?

Ps. I believe that this is the proper place to post this topic and not in the newbie zone or WILD section.

**Yosma** · 07-30-2011 06:15 AM

Pain is all in the mind so yes you can feel it in dreams, I have multiple times. To answer your other question, it was most likely a semi-lucid dream or actually by the way you describe it a normal dream.

**Macros** · 07-30-2011 01:45 PM

Well i'm still not convinced that it was just a normal dream, rather some kind of waking dream / day-dream, and doesn't that still count as a hallucination? And for the pain. Sure it is all in the mind but doesn't human mind have some safety mechanism.. umm.. embeded to prevent such situations? I had 3 nightmares in my life and while it was a traumatizing experience, there was no real paine involved.

If it's a normal experience to feel pain in dreams for lucid dreamers, then it's a dangerous path we are walking ; ) <evil_smile>

**Orgun** · 07-30-2011 01:52 PM

I've had dream last night where someone was sticking nails with a hammer into my palms for some sort of exercise(I workout) in order to gain more stability. The pain was excruciating, I could still feel it throughout the day. It was a non lucid dream by the way.

**Yosma** · 07-30-2011 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Macros

Well i'm still not convinced that it was just a normal dream, rather some kind of waking dream / day-dream, and doesn't that still count as a hallucination? And for the pain. Sure it is all in the mind but doesn't human mind have some safety mechanism.. umm.. embeded to prevent such situations? I had 3 nightmares in my life and while it was a traumatizing experience, there was no real paine involved.

If it's a normal experience to feel pain in dreams for lucid dreamers, then it's a dangerous path we are walking ; ) <evil_smile>

It's all a matter of whether you expect it or not. If I am dreaming and jump of the roof of my house and I expect to feel pain I will. If I know I will be all right then I will be all right.