Meditation through LD?

[Sinar]

i recently learned that some people can use LD in order to meditate. i have a few questions on this. 1) can anyone hear do this 2) how long does it take to learn/master (i heard several years) 3) can you do it whenever you want to? 4) main question, do oyu have to be asleep? can you just kinda decided to sit down for like 30 mins to an hour and meditate and then go or do oyu have to wait till sleeping that night. especially in reference to question 3, i know meditation is different then just reg. LD. i'm talking about that i heard people say that hwen they have to meditate over something, they go into that state and then they can like find themselves in their meditation and ask themselves questions. since LD is linked to you counsious and subcounsious, they get a more accurate and un biased answer. so, can anyone do this? if you need more clerification on my question, just think Yoda lol.

[Yume]

1) I guess LDing could be meditation with the subconcious so yes anyone who can LD can ask DC questions about themselves I guess. 2) Depends on the person 3) Look at #2 4) LDing means Lucid Dreaming as in dreaming.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Sinar i recently learned that some people can use LD in order to meditate. i have a few questions on this. 1) can anyone hear do this 2) how long does it take to learn/master (i heard several years) 3) can you do it whenever you want to? 4) main question, do oyu have to be asleep? can you just kinda decided to sit down for like 30 mins to an hour and meditate and then go or do oyu have to wait till sleeping that night. especially in reference to question 3, i know meditation is different then just reg. LD. i'm talking about that i heard people say that hwen they have to meditate over something, they go into that state and then they can like find themselves in their meditation and ask themselves questions. since LD is linked to you counsious and subcounsious, they get a more accurate and un biased answer. so, can anyone do this? if you need more clerification on my question, just think Yoda lol. Good! A Wonderful Topic! When I began Lucid Dreaming scores of years ago, one of my Gurus appeared to me in a Dream and told me "Even a few seconds of Meditation in a Dream is worth thousands of hours of waking Meditation". The old boy was right. The Dream World is so much closer to the Spiritual than the Waking World, so that almost any Spiritual Effort is as though multiplied and magnified as an effect of the closer proximity to the Source. Kundalini Yoga is benefited, but also Mantra Meditation, and even the saying of traditional prayers. I would think there is ordinarily a problem with remembering prayers and mantras in Dreams -- I have often been confused and had to quite apply myself to remember the easiest prayers and mantras. But recently one of our own decided to say a prayer in a dream ... a rather long prayer... and she remembered it all quite well -- and then had a Religious Experience I quite envy her for! So, yes, if you have any spiritual aspirations at all, then simply include a Meditation or a Mantra or a Prayer in your Lucid Dream Checklist, your Lucid Wish List, or whatever you call it. so the next time you have a Lucid Dream, instead of doing one of those empty lucid parlour tricks to prove your control, or jump a dream character for a gratuitous sexual experience, or fly around for the mere fun of it, decide to evoke something Spiritual. Perhaps you should be given some motivation. The Hindus speak of a thing called Ananda and it is typically translated as Bliss. To the Hindus this Ananda, this Bliss, is one of the Absolutes of Spirituality. If one attains to a Perfect Spirituality, then automatically what follows is an Absolute Bliss. How can one recognize a Spiritual Dream. The Light gets brighter. Then Light will take on a life of its own. Light becomes a Dream Character, or rather, a Dream Object. And remember what the Hindus advise, as a kind of Road Map here: "First, see the Light; next, be in the Light; finally, become the Light. Each step on that ladder is a further ascention into the Life of the Spirit, the Life of Bliss.

[Sinar]

next time i have a lucid dream i'm deffinitly trying this. i'm a christian so the hindue stuff doesn't go with me but its kinda the same concept of meditation in any relgion. i'm wantingto figure out also how regular meditation works and get good at that. its probbly not as good as dream meditation but once you master it, you can basically do it on command. and then that could become mighty useful

[River]

Thank you, Leo and Sinar, for bringing up the spiritual side of LDs. For me, the main reason to be lucid is to enhance the spiritual journey.

[Sinar]

no problem, glad i did something right for once on a forum lol

[Teh_DM]

Wow this is a good topic ive tryed this and had tons of progress although ive meditated for a few years

[TheUnknown]

I should give it a shot. I've been in an almost constant form of meditation, sensing everything around me, I've abondoned quite a bit of myself. I only wish I didn't lose too much

[River]

I was reading this last night before bed: ( from The Astral Projection Workbook by J H Brennen.) "He [Scott Sparrow} concluded that diligent meditation in th early morning hours for the purpose of 'attunement' woul result in lucid dreaming, but warns that meditation for the purpose of 'obtaining' a lucid dream is unlikely to suceed. His own attempts to do so consistently ended in failure and he frequently had dreams which told him not to do it. The point is subtle enough to warrant repeating. Early morning meditation for the purpose of, say, spiritual advancement, tends to be followed by lucid dreaming as a sort of side effect. Early morning meditation for the purpose of triggering a lucid dream does not work." My thought on reading this is everyone is different, and Sparrow's psyche may have had its own reasons for his results.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by TheUnknown I should give it a shot. *I've been in an almost constant form of meditation, sensing everything around me, I've abondoned quite a bit of myself. I only wish I didn't lose too much Sensing everything around yourself is not meditation... quite the opposite! We call that sensuality. It's great if you're a cat that wishes to go on catching mice even while in half of a snooze, but for Meditation you should be able to go within and leave the Outside on the outside. It reminds me of a story I heard about one old Indian Guru. He was meditating when his temple caught fire. Well his devotees had the presence of mind to carry him out, still in his lotus position, because if they had insisted upon rousing him from his meditation, they would have had a nice roasted Guru. Anyway, they rebuilt a new temple and carried him back in, and eventually he came out of his meditation. Well, they had tried to get everything quite the same and they thought they rather succeeded because the Old Guru apparently didn't notice. It was life as usual for a few years when one day the Old Guru talks about the 'New' Temple since the fire. Everyone appeared starteled. They had thought the old guy hadn't noticed. "Well, there were the new curtains", he said.