was this a lucid dream or obe?

[space-cadet]

im able to have lucid dreams naturally, from time to time.in one of my lucid dreams i had woken to find myself flying. i thought god whats happening this isn't a dream it's real. i was flying over a place by the sea,there were two giant stone towers just off the beach and i could see hills with villa type buildings in them it was breathtaking.did not have to write it it down it's never faded, this occured in dec 2004.can lucid dreams seem that real? or could it have been astral travel?

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by space-cadet im able to have lucid dreams naturally, from time to time.in one of my lucid dreams i had woken to find myself flying. i thought god whats happening this isn't a dream it's real. i was flying over a place by the sea,there were two giant stone towers just off the beach and i could see hills with villa type buildings in them it was breathtaking.did not have to write it it down it's never faded, this occured in dec 2004.can lucid dreams seem that real? or could it have been astral travel? It sounds like it was neither, b/c did this place really appear when you went there in awake time, & did you even do the reading-the-real-time-book event? If you didn't know you were dreaming, it was neither!

[SantaDreamsToo]

yeah i had the feeling of being there in my last lucid, it was a good and different feeling, but it wasnt OBE, so no i dont think this was OBE

[space-cadet]

Originally posted by nesgirl119 It sounds like it was neither, b/c did this place really appear when you went there in awake time, & did you even do the reading-the-real-time-book event? If you didn't know you were dreaming, it was neither! i don't know what you are talking about ive never been to that place, (i don't go abroad) like i said i thought this isn't a dream. a lucid dream is a clear dream maybe thats what it was. it seemed very real, im not saying it was an obe how can it be neither???

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by space&#045;cadet+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(space&#045;cadet)</div> i don't know what you are talking about ive never been to that place, (i don't go abroad) like i said i thought this isn't a dream. a lucid dream is a clear dream maybe thats what it was. it seemed very real, im not saying it was an obe how can it be neither???[/b] A Lucid Dream is when one knows for sure he/she is dreaming. You don't have to be in control or have it realistic to make it Lucid. You just have to know you're dreaming. Just like you said earlier: <!--QuoteBegin-space&#045;cadet like i said i thought this isn't a dream. See what I am saying? Also, if you want to do a RC if you think you are viewing real time, leave out a book & read it, then go back to it & read it (BTW, I still believe these are still dreams!)

[space-cadet]

Originally posted by nesgirl119 See what I am saying? Also, if you want to do a RC if you think you are viewing real time, leave out a book & read it, then go back to it & read it (BTW, I still believe these are still dreams!) i have lucid dreams on occasions when i know im dreaming. the other night during a long LD a tidal wave came crashing towards me. however i did't feel scared, i knew i was dreaming.lucid as defined in the dictionary means, clear and understood, able to think clearly, bright and clear,despite me thinking this is isn't a dream it was very lucid. maybe it was a virtual reality dream.it was certainly not an ordinary dream, believe me..

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by space-cadet i have lucid dreams on occasions when i know im dreaming. the other night during a long LD a tidal wave came crashing towards me. however i did't feel scared, i knew i was dreaming.lucid as defined in the dictionary means, clear and understood, able to think clearly, bright and clear,despite me thinking this is isn't a dream it was very lucid. maybe it was a virtual reality dream.it was certainly not an ordinary dream, believe me.. Well, it wasn't a LD, believe me. If you didn't know you were dreaming, it wasn't a LD! Here is a correct definition of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming

[space-cadet]

Originally posted by nesgirl119 Well, it wasn't a LD, believe me. If you didn't know you were dreaming, it wasn't a LD! Here is a correct definition of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming you can say what you like i don't care,i know it wasn't an ordinary dream, who are you anyway?

[Gothlark]

Lucid can also mean sane or rational and is generally used in psychology to mean aware of one's environment. In the case of lucid dreaming, a term coined by a psychologist, it means to be aware of the fact that one is dreaming. Some people will agree that it means a realistic dream, however most everyone that knows what they're talking about will define it by the psychologists term, seeing as it was coined by one. In other words, you can have unrealistic LDs, but you can't have LDs where you think you're awake. Most of the time, people have some level of control in LDs because they know it's a dream, but control isn't a prerequisite, only awareness of one's environment being a dream. I'm not saying it was a regular dream, just that it wasn't lucid.

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by Gothlark Lucid can also mean sane or rational and is generally used in psychology to mean aware of one's environment. In the case of lucid dreaming, a term coined by a psychologist, it means to be aware of the fact that one is dreaming. Some people will agree that it means a realistic dream, however most everyone that knows what they're talking about will define it by the psychologists term, seeing as it was coined by one. In other words, you can have unrealistic LDs, but you can't have LDs where you think you're awake. Most of the time, people have some level of control in LDs because they know it's a dream, but control isn't a prerequisite, only awareness of one's environment being a dream. I'm not saying it was a regular dream, just that it wasn't lucid. Thanx so much!

[space-cadet]

Originally posted by nesgirl119 Thanx so much! for what ??? it means nothing

[Gothlark]

Dude, lighten up. We were trying to acquaint you with the terms used around here, so just accept that little bit of info. The term was coined by Frederik Van Eden in 1941 in his study on dreaming. It means a dream in which you are aware you are dreaming, and was based around the psychology term. Get used to that definition. Anyways, my guess is that you just had a vivid non-lucid. Not to burst your bubble, just saying, that's more than likely. If there is such thing as an astral plane, then maybe you started to shift towards it temporarily through a non-lucid, but it wasn't exactly astral projection or an LD because you were unaware of it. You just kind of got whisked along on whatever ride was brought to you.

[space-cadet]

ok thats fine, i know it was no ordinary dream which has been suggested.a dream, yes maybe but no ordinary dream..answer me this question why didn't it fade, if it was a normal dream? and why was there perfect control? in a normal dream im in a roll of film (so to speak)i just go with the flow,have no control.this dream i feel was special,i could not go into detail of the dream it would be too long and boring..

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by space-cadet ok thats fine, i know it was no ordinary dream which has been suggested.a dream, yes maybe but no ordinary dream..answer me this question why didn't it fade, if it was a normal dream? and why was there perfect control? in a normal dream im in a roll of film (so to speak)i just go with the flow,have no control.this dream i feel was special,i could not go into detail of the dream it would be too long and boring.. Well, sometimes we all have special dreams. I have an idea. If you have another dream like this one, just say that you are dreaming & believe it, & you will be LDing.....trust me...this worked when I was 3!

[Universal Mind]

There is something to be said about the fact that you deeply analyzed whether it was a lucid dream. You were aware of being aware, and you were questioning what state of consciousness you were experiencing. That means you experienced a really fascinating altered state of consciousness that is at least in the same league as a lucid dream. The semantic issue of whether or not it was technically a lucid dream seems trivial. In regular dreams, the dreamer will meet somebody with five legs and drive a snow cone truck up a skyscraper and salute Martians, but keep going as though might as well be just eating breakfast. Your experience was clearly on a higher level than that. You actually looked around and questioned what kind of experience you were having and took note of the bizarrity with great fascination. That is the function and significance of a lucid dream, so it was at least constructively a lucid dream. You might not have been positive you were dreaming, but you were positive that the issue of whether or not you were dreaming existed. There is definitely some type of lucidity factor to that.

[space-cadet]

Originally posted by Universal Mind There is something to be said about the fact that you deeply analyzed whether it was a lucid dream. *You were aware of being aware, and you were questioning what state of consciousness you were experiencing. *That means you experienced a really fascinating altered state of consciousness that is at least in the same league as a lucid dream. * The semantic issue of whether or not it was technically a lucid dream seems trivial. * In regular dreams, the dreamer will meet somebody with five legs and drive a snow cone truck up a skyscraper and salute Martians, but keep going as though might as well be just eating breakfast. *Your experience was clearly on a higher level than that. *You actually looked around and questioned what kind of experience you were having and took note of the bizarrity with great fascination. *That is the function and significance of a lucid dream, so it was at least constructively a lucid dream. *You might not have been positive you were dreaming, but you were positive that the issue of whether or not you were dreaming existed. *There is definitely some type of lucidity factor to that. univeral mind ' thanks at last some reasoning.how can it not be lucid? has for the folk who contradicted me. has the saying goes, you was not there?

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by space-cadet univeral mind ' thanks at last some reasoning.how can it not be lucid? has for the folk who contradicted me. has the saying goes, you was not there? We know... Although the word Lucid usually means clear, Lucid Dream means that you know that you are dreaming. Sometimes when you put words together, they come out w/different meanings!