Vitamin B6, Pyridoxine & Melatonin

**Sandoz** · 07-18-2005 05:15 PM

I was reading in the tutorial section and read something about vitamin B6 and something about Pyridoxine causing vivid dreams in people who take it late at night, what is pyridoxine, is it the chemical name for B6. Also I've been taking Ambien for a few months to help me sleep and came off it (largly due to the fact that I was building up a tolerance and whenever I took a igher than prescribed dose I was trippin' balls) and switched to melatonin for two reasons.
1. I am much less likely to tolerate it due to the fact that it is the chemical that the brain makes to put you to sleep.
2. No hallucinations...funny that seeing as melatonin is a tryptamine...

Also ever since coming off Ambien my dream recall has improved (proboly because Ambien was causing me to not sleep at all most nights) but before my tolerance went up I was out like a light and couldn't remember if jack shit in the morning.

Also if I was to start taking B6 sublements would I be more likely to become lucid? It seems to me that you are more likely to become lucid in vivid dreams.

**Tsen** · 07-19-2005 07:30 AM

It could help, but dosing is an important factor. The normal Daily Value won't do Jack nor Diddly for your dreams, but in amounts around 10000% Daily Value (100-200mg), you'll begin to see the difference quite clearly. However, using this much on a daily basis can cause some damage to your nerves after a while. Use it once a week or so, and you'll be fine. If you choose to take it more frequently than that, be careful and if you have any sort of a tingling or burning sensation in your fingers or toes, cut back for a week or two until it subsides and then switch to a lower dose. Don't worry, it's not a dangerous substance, and as far as I know there are no effects that are seriously harmful, and none that last more than a week or two, but it's always better to be safe than sorry.

-Tsen

**Sandoz** · 07-19-2005 11:20 AM

the doseage of each B6 tablet i got is 10mg, ive took 3 this morning and planning to take another 2-3 before going to sleep, it says 10mg is 500% the Recommended Daily Allowance, if so ive already took 1500% of the RDA (30mg) and another 1000%-1500% tonight (20mg-30mg), they're cheap enought, 99p for a boz of 60 tablets, each 10mg, so i bought two.

**Merck** · 07-19-2005 01:33 PM

Doctor Hoffman I presume.

**Sandoz** · 07-19-2005 08:19 PM

huh?

Ev · 07-20-2005 01:39 AM

lol, I think he's referring to the creator of acid.

Melatonin +B6 is not something that will make you "trip out". Most likely it will alter your dreams, make them more vivid and you more aware.
melatonin + B6 also facilitates WBTB method...

**captain ahab** · 07-20-2005 01:57 AM

Does anybody know if you have to be 18 to buy B6 supplements? It doesn't seem like there is any reason you would, but there are alot of retarded rules like that these days.

**Sandoz** · 07-20-2005 09:50 AM

I wasn't sure if he was talking about good 'ole Albert or not, but why he did i don't know. I know the melatonin and B6 won't make me trip but that ambien shit sure does, similar to diphenhydramine...only without that 'need slapped in the face with wet fish' and groggy feeling.

**latency** · 07-20-2005 11:16 AM

I found some B6 in my local Safeway (or Morrisons as they now are in the UK).

Unfortunatly they were only 10mg pills though, so I have to take quite a few at a time.

I started of with 2 a night, I detest taking medicine or drugs of any kind, but my desire to get lucid again got the better of me so I crept up to 5 a night yesterday.

Last night I had a most vivid dream, I think the stuff is finaly kicking in now I've 'built it up' in my system, but the interesting thing was my dream last night:

Fear and violence is one of my dreamsigns, therefore I can't have a nightmare because I become lucid and prevent anything I don't like. I havn't felt afraid or scared in a dream for years, since I started lucid dreaming some 5 or 6 years ago.

But my dream last night, I did feel scared. Not enough to be a nightmare, but I was definatly apprehensive about the situation, and I didn't become lucid.

I'm hoping it was a one off, but I think B6 is definatly starting to show it's effects.

**Sandoz** · 07-20-2005 01:47 PM

did u get the ones in the 'Valuepak' box? God thing is u get 60 at a time and their cheap as hell, only 99p so you can buy in bulk.

**Merck** · 07-20-2005 02:27 PM

I think I'll start trying B6 too. I have some Melatonin tablets that also contain B6 and it seems whenever I take them I remember dreams more easily.

Oh and I just noticed that your username, Sandoz, was the company that Dr. Hoffman worked for so I just felt like posting something with his name and that's all I could come up with.

**Sandoz** · 07-20-2005 03:15 PM

Exactly where I got the nam from, and for people who don't know, Albert Hoffman is famous for two reasons:
1. To be the man who had the strangest bicycle ride in history.
and
2. To be the first man to ever synthesise (sp?) and use the worlds most potent psycoactive drug, LSD.

**Merck** · 07-20-2005 04:50 PM

Yes he is truly a great man. Dr. Alexander Shulgin is probably at the top of the list when it comes to psychedelic drug research. Sandoz, I think you have probably already read them but if you haven't, you really need to check out Pihkal and Tihkal by Alexander and Ann Shulgin. Really great couple of books.

**Merck** · 07-20-2005 04:55 PM

Oh and by the way, my username (which I'm sure you have heard of) is the pharmaceutical company that patented MDMA in 1913. The patent has since expired but its an interesting piece of drug trivia.

**Sandoz** · 07-20-2005 09:40 PM

Tihkal and pihkal are my bibles, yes i've seen Merck entries in the pharmacology sections in erowid. I've reasearcht he psycedelics and dissociatives extensivly (hence my avatar, tihynking of changing to the dxm 2d seeing as i use it most and have had some of the best experiences of my life on it). Personally i prefare MDA to MDMA, I'm not sure why, I just like it because it is 'trippier'.

Ev · 07-21-2005 03:42 AM

The interesting effect of B6 + Melatonin ( or maybe that's a long term effect of their use) is facilitated daydreaming. Pretty much if you take a nap where you are not allowed to completely fall asleep (such as at work

or in class

) you will notice interesting patterns and a lot of HI after about 10 minutes.
The less awareness you have, the more vivid and unpredictable the imagery is. In extreme cases you might reach the brink of falling asleep and the HI around you might form the exact setting you are in. So you might be able to "see" with your eyes closed.

The experience is fun, but you need some awareness training to enter that state. Initially I discovered this state while taking memory/awareness supplements before an exam and taking a nap afterwards...

**Sandoz** · 07-21-2005 09:03 AM

Now this I can definatly say no to, because I took my melatonin last night and waited until I felt tired and locked up before attempting to WILD (for the foruth unsuccsesful time) and got absolutly no imagry at all, I just fell asleep.

Ev · 07-21-2005 01:28 PM

lol, it's easier to daydream *after* the normal 8 hour sleep cycle.

**boaty** · 07-21-2005 08:48 PM

not that i've never done drugs but.... the only thing you need to dream lucid id to activate your brain... send it more oxygen. Do a bunch of push-ups right before you jump into bed. For me it knocks me out but i'm sure it helps me dream...

I've been deep breathing as i lay to sleep... more oxyen the more your brain works.

Check into ---> Liquid Stabilized Oxygen

**Kaimelar** · 07-21-2005 09:14 PM

I've been taking a vitamin supplement that has 15mg of B6 and Im not sure if my dreams have been even more vivid than the usual. My dreams tend to be quite vivid, full of different feelings, sensations, flavors, smells and what the hell.

Anyway, if you want B6 to really make your dreams vivid you have to take a decent amount of magnesium as well, or else it wont do jack shit for ya. B6's main function is protein synthesis, but your body normally inhibits B6's function that increases your neural activity, unless you have a proper amount of magnesium and thats what makes your dreams more vivid.

**Sandoz** · 07-21-2005 09:32 PM

thats why ive been taking truckloads of B6, 250-300mg a night, when the body has used what it needs for protein, the brain has its own uses and th rest is excreted in...well you can proboly guess.

**Kaimelar** · 07-21-2005 11:21 PM

your body inhibits B6s effects on your neural system if you don't have enough magnesium, which acts as a co-factor (as do most dissolved ions)

you can take shitloads of B6, but if you dont have enough magnesium, it won't do you much good as for dream vividness. Although you certainly wont be lacking any proteins man, yay