Yes, people don't know what their missing, to bad FOR THEM. This is why people should be open-minded, to not miss things like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SinisterDezz
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Yes, people don't know what their missing, to bad FOR THEM. This is why people should be open-minded, to not miss things like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SinisterDezz
Nah - I feel, around me it is much more common, than I thought.
But with getting older - seems most people stop remembering their dreams at all - also thinking about them in the daytime.
I´m almost forty - and I know, I had much, much more recall with 17 - playing telling each other our dreams with my fist boyfriend.
But lucids I had as a child under 9 years, I think.
And I have heard from 5 people by now, that as a child - they sometimes knew, they were dreaming - and classically - all of them said, what they mainly did was flying.
Today - I bubbled over and my husband started looking sort of angry, when I was on about superwoman-flight - and I asked him what was wrong - surprised, because usually he is fascinated by LD.
Said he had a bad mood, and it wouldn´t help that I made him green with envy..:D
And a friend of mine might try coming on here - but at least take an extended look at a German forum.
There is hope - lets spread the word!
Yes, that's great:D. You know, if more people are in to LDing, more research would be done and we would have a lot more information, techniques and all the useful things about LDing that you can imagine. Lets spread the word indeed, at least for our own sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by StephL
When I tell someone about lucid dreaming this is the most typical scenario:
"Do you know that you can actually become aware that you are dreaming? :happyme:"
"Um, well I know I have dreams some nights. :P"
"No I mean, recognize a dream as a dream while you are still having it. :D"
"Ah okay. Well no. :huh2:"
"It's actually a really cool experience, if you become aware enough then your dreams can feel just as real as waking life! It's amazing! :banana:"
"Ah okay, well let's hope I won't confuse dreams with waking life then.
And there I say period, and change the subject. :?"
They just don't get it. :shakehead2:
About the t-shirt thing: I actually have a sweater with the text: member of dreamers club on it. I know it isn't necessarily about LDing, but I do think that if a fellow LDer sees it, it would sure make them do a RC ;p
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I'd say most RCs are difficult to see unless one is kind of obvious about it. All them can be disguised. Someone would need to be pretty observant to see any one of them I'd think. I do nose-plug most often and most times people just think I'm popping my ears or what ever. I will try to be more obvious though that way if anyone happens to be looking, they get curious at least.
Many times they feel its all about controlling the dream. "Oh you mean controlling your dreams!" . Its hard to explain the awareness part. I remember when my friend like a brother told me about ld. I thought he may be nuts a little. Not anymore. One way I explain it to family...its like a holodeck..you know your in the holodeck but its vividly real.
I don't really understand the fact that so many people have problems imagining lucidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleT
I mean, it only means that you are in a dream and realize that you are in fact dreaming, and those components are intuitive for pretty much everyone.
Everyone knows what a dream is, and everyone has probably experienced feeling lost somewhere and suddenly recognizing the place and thinking "aha, I am here!".
Combine these two things and you have a lucid dream.
That's a brilliant way to explain LDing!!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Laurelindo
I take the virtual reality metaphor - pretty much catches it.
News of the encouraging sort: I was visiting my husband´s parents with him - his mother did have at least semi-lucids from time to time and remembers having them as a child.
And - the big one: First person I found, who does LDing and almost every night - his father!
He is 70 and said - direct translation: When I go to sleep, the real life starts!!!
He knows he can control everything - but doesn´t realize it to the fullest - like all the control-stuff people do on here - most special effects were new ideas to him - but he does a lot of stuff since ages on his own!
He also said, he sometimes can go on dreaming from where he left the last night if he wants to.
What is interesting - he never was afraid to close his dream-eyes - that is his way to change scenery or start flying and other things.
I promised to bombard him with links and further info and inspiration.
His parents are - like he is - very unique people - what comes to my mind - also told that to a friend of mine - is the following:
The father had found an interesting looking triangular stone - and looked up, how stone-age axes were made and made a replica - it is really well done and usable - with leather strips and wood pieces for stabilisation - simply adorable, such things, I find.
Amazing how LDers can appear from nowhere! My brother discovered SIX LDers in his school these past 2 weeks!! Really nice how your Father-in-law is a LD, and a good one too^^! Keep helpin' him, I'm sure he'll be Joyous!
I've never seen someone RC in real life. One of my RCs is actually not noticeable. It's the plug-your-nose RC, but without actually pinching your nose. It's hard to describe, but try to inhale in a way that doesn't let you inhale. If you CAN inhale, you are dreaming.
I gave a horrible description of it, but either way, it's what I use if I don't want people seeing me RC.
I've never seen someone doing a reality check, but I want. It's very sad that people think I'm crazy when I tell them 'bout LDing.
I told some women at one of my old jobs about lucid dreaming and that I recorded my own dreams for that purpose, but I think the only thing they really grasped was that I recorded my dreams and then they were like "well it's easy to forget your dreams, and record them".Quote:
Originally Posted by Sman98
And guess what?
They changed the subject after that.
I get these vibes from most people, almost like they refuse to accept lucid dreaming and are ready to rationalize everything in a way so that the dreams remain "unconscious" and "beyond our control".
Maybe we all are crazy? Naah just kidin'. Have a happy new year!!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Laurelindo
I can tell you the people who DON'T LD are crazy...Quote:
Originally Posted by LouaiB
This is awesome, lucid dreaming at 70...got many years to look forward to!Quote:
Originally Posted by StephL
And I would perhaps think twice about burying him in links. If he's successful, leave him be, you don't want him to get infected with mental viruses like how what he's doing "is so hard, how you lose the dream if you close your eyes," etc.
Maybe just give him some examples of dream control things to do.
100% right, or at least when they hear of LDing and not careQuote:
Originally Posted by FryingMan
I had a dinner with my mother, her boyfriend and his ten-year-old son a while ago, and we started talking about sleep, and I thought it was a pretty good opportunity for me to mention my awakening that morning, which was a short False Awakening where I saw an alarm clock on my bed table that said 3 PM, even though I woke up immediately afterwards (I have no alarm clock on my bed table, it was in another place in the room) and it was right before noon.
And I told them that I sometimes have "funny dreams like this, where I dream about waking up".
The only one who showed any signs of interest was the boy, he opened his eyes wide and looked at me as if he wanted to hear more about it;
and the others' reactions were more like "ah, you say so - by the way, I have something completely different to talk about, so let's change the subject with haste!".
It's funny how children seem so much more fascinated about dreams, while adults seem to almost wanna avoid the subject.
I think part of the reason for this is our warped priorities in our materialist goal oriented society: can you profit from it? What do you gain from it: money, friends, real solid material benefits? Nothing, well, then it's a waste of time. Admitting that one is a day dreamer is also almost taboo in our society. With kids it's different: they have not yet been fully indoctrinated to social norms, and adults are more indulgent of kids wasting time. Also most people cannot remember their dreams, and if they do rber, they don't bother to understand them, and dismiss them as a bunch of nonsense. It's a shame. I hope I can teach my kids to continue to appreciate dreams even when they grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurelindo
Yes, in our culture it seems like everything that's worth pursuing must consist of physical real-life material.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoannaB
What these people obviously don't understand is that lucid dreams are definitely a profit in lots of ways, and probably at least as valuable as anything you can obtain in waking life.
Exactly! I wish that I can say it is cmpletly their loss, but we can use more LDers so more research on the subject would be done, and we all know how important research is
You probably don't know how right you are there - me neither, before I read the material belonging to the upcoming docu on the tv-canal Arté tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by FryingMan
It says there that among the LDers (in Germany I suppose..) - mental health problems are significantly less common than in the overall population - isn't that just fantastic?
Sometimes suspicions to the opposite are mentioned - that should be cold coffee soon, if more such data get collected. Very cold.
Don't worry - he is not the sort of person to be restricted by what others say.Quote:
Originally Posted by FryingMan
No - but when I told him, he could try opening a door and really expecting something as extreme as to stand on a Jupiter moon and looking down at these beautiful and colourful storm-bands and red dots - he liked that a hell of a lot - and wouldn't have come up with it on his own.
That's what I plan - give him inspirations as to how to use his anyway good dream-control - take it to another level yet.
Also maybe that there is something like WILD - he does DEILD chaining already.
And while he has many LDs - he would like to be able to induce them in a more reliable way, than waiting for them.
Children should be the primarily interested theoretically - in especially because most remember many if not most of their dreams vividly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurelindo
It follows that dreaming is important for them - being a real part of their lives - and yeah - they are encouraged to play, try out things usually - are fascinated by anything wondrous, magic and fun-promising - don't feel they have no time because of more important stuff...
Are more open to believe things, which adults prematurely judge as bogus.
Plus - I believe most do have at least semi-lucids anyway.
I heard that so often by now - maybe all do even and regularly - without confirmation and guidance, though - it gets lost.
Again - I have something positive to report - I dared opening a thread on LD on my darts-forum.
To prevent any doubts - I cited and linked up to the state of the art concerning research and science being done - the fMRI study, which is to be found under Lucidity News on here - does the trick nicely - nobody can seriously keep up doubting the phenomenon after reading this.
I added stuff about usage in sports-psychology with links and quotes.
We are a very competitive and passionate bunch - trying all sorts of twists and tweaks to gain that little bit more of an edge.
And - there are already two, who wrote, that they used to LD.
Both after childhood - having learned it some time in their later youth.
One of them is a mod, who shares a lot of off-topic interests with me - and I had him as prime suspect for it - the other a wonderful person also.
That was yesterday - will see, who else comes out from behind the oven.
There are also posts from people interested without own experience - somebody having looked into visualization practices in sports-psychology before..
Typical, though - people don't remember their dreams..
The thread is meant as a cornerstone or starting-point - I feel, I will soon be able to start lucid darting - and then I hope for measurable effects.
I have linked up in here as well - maybe there will come a run on DV from ambitious darters, if I manage to lift my average hehehe.
No, never! I wish I had
Niiiiiiice!!!:D This is the best thing a LDer can do, spread the word!! Become an expert darter, for LDing!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by StephL
